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15 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

When FSU got "screwed" out of the playoff 2 years ago, their titty baby reaction immediately killed their program. 2 straight dogshit losing years. All their previous momentum sucked dry specifically because they decided to play the victim. Nice job by ND to follow that example. 

 

 

Correlation, meet causation. 

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1 hour ago, nineliveslost said:

woa woa woa homie. Notre Dame and Navy play and will always play for a specific reason and its absolutely the right thing to do. Learn history of college football and don't post dumb shit. Notre Dame more than likely would not be what they are without Navy. JESUS 

time to move on old man, stop being aggy 

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Teams opting out of bowls really should lose eligibility for any bowl or playoffs the following season.  I actually like ND, but they absolutely want to have their own set of rules and that just doesn't work anymore. 

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While I agree with ND being out, the fact that the government threatened the playoff committee with taking over if Miami didn't make it should really be a much bigger deal. 

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"We're not gonna let you take advantage of us",  says the university that has taken advantage of CFB for decades as an independent and has a secret, signed agreement with CFB to automatically make the playoff next year if ranked in the top 12. 

 

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ND gets favored status in future...

Gerry on OTF tonight said something along the lines of...

  • ND as independent gets no conf revenue sharing money
  • ND as independent when they make CFP, they don't share CFP money with any other teams

Not making CFP hurts ND financially...

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

What's the logic behind missing out on the extra practices?

Would be funny if ND say F-you to whole CFB system and hold extra practices anyway... 😋

 

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7 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Gerry on OTF tonight said something along the lines of...

  • ND as independent gets no conf revenue sharing money
  • ND as independent when they make CFP, they don't share CFP money with any other teams

Not making CFP hurts ND financially...

Good. Fuck 'em!

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6 hours ago, JOSEYWALES66 said:

Lots of missed practice time among other considerations 

I can imagine teams - esp UND - telling the NCAA to f-off.  “We will practice when we want to.”

Edited to add - someone else also had this idea….

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Chris Vannini: Notre Dame’s opt-out crosses a new line — and college football is worse off for it

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Notre Dame has taken its ball and gone home, and everyone is worse off for it. The 10-2 Fighting Irish on Sunday announced they would not accept a bowl bid, hours after being the first team left out of the College Football Playoff field, replaced by Miami despite neither playing last weekend. They’re understandably angry — I had Miami and Notre Dame both in the field in my rankings, for what it’s worth — but punting on finishing out the season because you got snubbed is short-sighted and embarrassing, and it removed any sympathy fans may have had for the Irish missing the Playoff field. It’s too early to say if this is a death knell for bowls, but it’s another unprecedented line crossed. No, I don’t think the Irish did this to honor the program’s 45-year no-bowls policy that lasted until 1969.

“We appreciate all the support from our families and fans, and we’re hoping to bring the 12th national title to South Bend in 2026,” a nameless team statement read. It’s hard to see how giving up 15 bowl practices helps that 2026 run, especially for a team with so many bright young pieces. That’s an entire spring camp’s worth of practice the Irish are just giving up. They have a budding star redshirt freshman QB in C.J. Carr and just signed the No. 4 recruiting class in the country, one of the best and most drama-free Notre Dame has ever had. It would’ve been nice to have some of those early enrollees take advantage of the perk of bowl practices, no? No. Instead, a team with hurt feelings will wallow in those feelings.

I’m not oblivious to the reality of the modern bowl system. I understand why NFL-bound players sit out of bowls. Especially at Notre Dame, where former linebacker Jaylon Smith once tore his ACL and MCL in a non-playoff Fiesta Bowl against Ohio State to end the 2015 season. Jeremiyah Love was probably never going to play in a bowl this year, and that’s OK. We’ve also seen rosters decimated after coaching changes in the transfer portal era, like LSU playing with just 45 scholarship players in the 2021 Texas Bowl. That’s not good. Some places really can’t field teams for these games.

But Notre Dame isn’t that. This isn’t a team going through a coaching change like Kansas State and Iowa State, two 6-6 teams who also opted out this year. This isn’t a team that had a miserable fall and just wants to end it — Notre Dame has won 10 games in a row. This isn’t a team short on players due to the transfer portal, because the portal doesn’t open until January now. Somehow, dozens of other teams playing in bowl games will be able to field rosters. It’s just a team that didn’t get the postseason spot it wanted. Are the days of scorned teams being motivated to win their bowl games over? The comparison to 2023 Florida State is the obvious one people want to make here. That Seminoles team, truly snubbed by the committee despite a 13-0 season, fielded what was basically a JV team against No. 6 Georgia and got pounded 63-3. But that’s an outlier, even recently.

In 2022, when Alabama was the first team out, the Crimson Tide and their top stars, including Bryce Young, played the Sugar Bowl and beat Kansas State. Last year’s Alabama team, again the first team out, saw most of its top players, including Jalen Milroe, suit up and play Michigan. Reports indicate Notre Dame was likely to play BYU in the Pop-Tarts Bowl. That’s BYU, a team that has a case that it was snubbed by the committee two years in a row. What did BYU do after last year’s CFP shutout? The Cougars stomped Colorado in the Alamo Bowl and made people think they may have gotten the Cougars wrong. (Bonus credit to Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter for playing in that game, by the way.)

Much like Lane Kiffin leaving a national championship-contending Ole Miss for LSU during the season, what Notre Dame is doing here is another line crossed in the modern era. The point of playing football is to play football. Business decisions and economics are part of it, but the business (and coverage) of this sport has warped too many of us into believing all that matters is the championship at the end. For 100 years, that’s not what college football was about. There has always been talking out of both sides of one’s mouth, whether that was amateurism when coaches made millions or preaching loyalty as people changed jobs. But there was still a throughline that teams weren’t being viewed through a pro sports playoff mindset.

Indiana played Ohio State in a Big Ten title game that, from a Playoff perspective, didn’t really matter. But players lined up and played hard, because that’s football, and you only get so few chances to do this. You saw the emotions of Indiana winning its first Big Ten title in 58 years, beating Ohio State for the first time in 37 years, and you remembered what this is actually about. You see Texas Tech fans, with a CFP spot already locked up, in tears for winning their first real conference championship in 49 years. Duke didn’t have a real Playoff shot, and the Blue Devils played their asses off to win their first ACC crown in 36 years. The Playoff doesn’t have to be everything.

Maybe the independence of it all is what led Notre Dame to its decision. There was no fine from a conference coming like Iowa State and Kansas State received. The Irish have always been different, received special treatment, and the rest of college sports has hated them for it. I’ve always appreciated it, to be honest. As everyone else has shed traditions, it was Notre Dame keeping it alive, remembering the past. The sport is at its best when it honors that. That’s why the Irish skipping a bowl game is so disappointing. Notre Dame has long been viewed as the example of what college football is in any given era. And if that’s the case, right now, it doesn’t look good.

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, chainsaw said:

What's the logic behind missing out on the extra practices?

Self-injurious behavior like a child would when they don't get their way.

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3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The histrionics and reactionary decision making from these athletic departments is so pathetic. 

Yes, they should be even-tempered like Surly!

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Just now, RomaVicta said:

Yes, they should be even-tempered like Surly!

nonononono

nd should continue doing exactly what they're doing

it's so funny

 

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31 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

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In the end, this. 

ND decided to be little bitch babies and the end result is they'll be the laughingstock of college football all off season. Incredible own goal. 

 

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7 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

@Crockett what's the word from deseret?

you might get more publicity joining domer in not playing each other than you will from playing a bowl

We feel jobbed by the CFP committee, but they have been telegraphing this move for weeks so we expected it. We were not shocked like ND. Even still we feel like every year we are taking a step forward. First year in P4 was rough (5-7). Y2 we were 11-2 and almost made the CCG and the CFP. Y3 we were 11-1, made the CCG, and just barely missed the CFP. We also just signed our highest rated recruiting class ever (#21), locked in our head coach, and have increased commitments for NIL. We are ascendant and the future looks bright.

Kalani is taking the high road and saying all the right things and showing respect for Georgia Tech. We all wanted to play ND, show we are better than them, and show we deserved to be in the CFP. We want to take our righteous anger out on our next opponent like we did to Colorado last year after getting snubbed by the CFP. 

We mostly think ND is acting like cowards (they knew they would be playing BYU and decline) and crybabies. They are throwing a fit. 

Some history. We had a 6 game contract during independence with ND. It was a 2-for-1 home/away balance. When they made a deal with the ACC that complicated the series and delayed it. We had played 2 games in Bend and we were trying to get the game in Provo scheduled. They wouldn't fulfill their agreement and refused to come to Provo. We ended up playing a neutral in Vegas to close out the shortened deal. We see it as another bitchass move on their part, just like the refusal to play us again this year. A lot of BYU fans are sick of their antics. 

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10 hours ago, mdmost said:

They've been that way since the BCS. Do you look back fondly on all the Holiday, Alamo, and Texas bowls we played in?


 I do. Had a great time at two Holiday bowls and several Alamo bowls. 

 

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7 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

ND gets favored status in future...

Gerry on OTF tonight said something along the lines of...

  • ND as independent gets no conf revenue sharing money
  • ND as independent when they make CFP, they don't share CFP money with any other teams

Not making CFP hurts ND financially...

ND gets a token amount from the ACC but not a full payout or even close. 

Apparently we don't need whatever the poptars were offering but the bowls seem to need eyeballs badly. 

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At least we get a test on the old extra practices thing.  I always wondered if the extra practices would offset the injuries during the practices and injuries during the bowl game.  Now we  will find out, from at least three colleges, ND, KSU, and Iowa State.   

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11 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

When FSU got "screwed" out of the playoff 2 years ago, their titty baby reaction immediately killed their program. 2 straight dogshit losing years. All their previous momentum sucked dry specifically because they decided to play the victim. Nice job by ND to follow that example. 

 

 

And here’s the corollary to that example:

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Yeah I am sure Notre Dame players would prefer to stay in South Bend over the holidays and practice, as opposed to going home and being with family. 

Posted
5 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Yeah I am sure Notre Dame players would prefer to stay in South Bend over the holidays and practice, as opposed to going home and being with family. 

But they’ll take that NIL money. Fuck em. 

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Notre Dame fans honestly seem to believe they were screwed.  When they went 2-2 against teams with a pulse (0-2 against playoff teams) and played 8 crap trams besides.  What a bunch of entitled and self righteous babies.

notice that they don’t complain about Miami getting in.  They know that is a losing argument.  Instead they claim Alabama should have been left out.   Alabama played 5 crap teams.  They were 1-2 against playoff teams.  4-3 against teams with a pulse.  SOS isn’t even close.  Easy decision.  Self aware much ND? 

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15 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

But they’ll take that NIL money. Fuck em. 

 

Oh yeah, fuck em. But there won't be any negative repercussions with regards to player development and recruiting. If Notre Dame pays, recruits will still go there.

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I'm having a really hard time giving a shit. There is a "Bucked Up LA Bowl Hosted By Gronk" and a "Snoop Dogg Arizona Bowl presented by Gin & Juice" and I'm supposed to believe that somehow Notre Dame is violating the sanctity of bowl games? 

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Joseph Goodman: Notre Dame just declared war on college football

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Notre Dame chose the nuclear option and it’s hard to blame them. The corrupt College Football Playoff selection committee left Notre Dame out of the playoff in favor of hot-mess Alabama, and it was all about money and corporate politics. Instead of playing in a bowl game, the Fighting Irish said no thanks and won’t be putting its brand on television this holiday season.

Notre Dame, which finished its season 10-2, took a stand instead contributing to college football’s broken postseason. It’s admirable, and I’d like to think Alabama would have done the same thing had it been robbed of a chance to play in the national championship tournament.

This column isn’t an argument for Notre Dame over Alabama or the Tide over the Fighting Irish. Both teams had their moments this season, good and bad, but both teams did enough to be in the College Football Playoff. The Crimson Tide earned its way in and deserves its spot. No.9-seed Alabama (10-3) travels to No.8 Oklahoma (10-2) for a first-round night game on Friday, Dec.19.

Alabama is a slight 1.5-point favorite for its rematch against the Sooners, which, let’s be real, got kinda lucky in Tuscaloosa a few weeks ago. It’s going to be an incredible atmosphere in Norman, Okla., and the sport of college football is better for it. Notre Dame is about to go to war with college football, and the sport will be better for that, too.

Alabama was chosen over Notre Dame based on the Tide’s body of work, but I understand Notre Dame’s anger after watching the SEC championship game. Alabama fans were angry, too. The Tide’s offense looked like it had been replaced by the guys from Bishop Sycamore. Meanwhile, Notre Dame finished its season with 10-straight wins, was one of the hottest teams in the country and featured running back Jeremiyah Love, arguably the best player in the country.

But never mind Alabama bumping off the Fighting Irish. Notre Dame is out of the playoff and James Madison and Tulane are in? It’s absurdly stupid. Isn’t the point of the College Football Playoff to feature the best teams? This whole thing needs a fresh start. True or not, it appears like Notre Dame was punished by the College Football Playoff selection committee for not being in a conference. You could see it coming, too.

The College Football Playoff management committee is meeting later this month to discuss the future of its tournament. The committee is made up of college football’s 10 conference commissioners and Notre Dame athletics director Pete Bevacqua. SEC commissioner Greg Sankey already wants to expand the playoff to 16 teams, and he should now have a strong ally in Bevacqua.

It should be obvious to anyone paying attention that Notre Dame’s power play on Sunday will cause the playoff to expand next season. The question now becomes how many teams? I’ve always thought 16 was the best idea, but I’m beginning to question that number.

The FCS playoff is 24 teams, and that tournament seems to be working pretty well. The big boys should just jump straight to that format. In the FCS national tournament, the top eight teams all get first-round byes. That leaves 16 teams for the first weekend. If College Football Playoff, Inc., adopted that model, then every FBS conference champion could earn an auto bid and the remaining 14 spots could be at-large.

Otherwise, I’m not sure how much longer the conference championship games are going to be around. What’s the point anymore other than making money? Is Alabama better than Notre Dame? Not based on what we saw on Saturday in Atlanta. The Tide was awful against Georgia, losing 28-7 while gaining only 209 offensive yards (minus-3 rushing). Hot trash, indeed.

At the same time, Alabama can’t be punished for playing in a conference title game, or at least that’s what the selection committee and ESPN want everyone to take away from the final playoff rankings. But wait. That’s not entirely true. Alabama was protected despite a loss, but BYU was punished for playing in its conference championship game and losing.

The Cougars’ two losses this season were both to Texas Tech, which everyone agrees is one of the top four teams in the country. Shouldn’t BYU be in the playoffs, too? Now let’s do Notre Dame. The Fighting Irish were No.9 in the weeks 12-14 CFP Top 25. Then things got weird. The Irish were dropped from No.9 to 10 in favor of Alabama after the regular season, and then from No.10 to out of the playoff after the conference championship games.

People are now calling for Notre Dame to join a conference, but that’s not the answer. Notre Dame will never join a conference and is better off being independent with its own TV deal. The College Football Playoff selection committee just picked a fight with the biggest brand in the sport in favor of ESPN and its corporate partners. What happens next? Prepare for a series of counterpunches from the Fighting Irish.

The bamboozlement of Notre Dame will have consequences for the rest of college football, and most likely teams in the SEC. Y’all thought the Fighting Irish spent a lot on its roster this season? Just wait until the transfer portal opens up.

Matt Hayes: Deal with it, Notre Dame. CFP, bowl season doesn't need Irish anymore

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Let me see if I’ve got this straight. The team that gets more help, more deference from the College Football Playoff and the bowl system than any other, is taking its ball and going home. Well, boo-freaking-hoo. No bowl game for Notre Dame, everyone. They’ll show that CFP selection committee who’s boss. They’ll walk right out of the bowl system, and into the loving, waiting arms of self-pity. Which, of course, tracks. You’ve got to be kidding me. 

Notre Dame lost to Miami, and lost the CFP argument. Not only that, the Irish have beaten no team with a pulse, and had no argument that could stick. No amount of whining and complaining is going to change it. Certainly not a statement released four hours after the CFP did the right thing by choosing the Canes over the Irish, one that humbly thanked friends, family and fans and declared the team was “hoping to bring the 12th national title to South Bend in 2026.”

How about finishing 2025 first? How about toughen up, hop on a plane to beautiful Orlando and play a grinder of a bowl game against a tough, physical BYU team that — I know this is going to shock you — is also upset about not reaching the CFP. To say nothing of the life-sized Pop-Tart that awaits the winner of the best non-CFP game of the postseason. 

This Notre Dame move just smacks of elitism, of we’re better than you and your playoff and we’re going to prove it. Only there’s one teeny-weeny problem: The CFP does’t need Notre Dame. The games will go on, a national champion will be crowned and another year will be added to the last time Notre Dame won it all. Which is 1988, in case you’re wondering. 

Just how long ago was that? It was also the same year Indiana last beat Ohio State before Saturday night's monumental moment in the Big Ten Championship game. That game, that specific night in Indianapolis — merely 130 miles from South Bend — should be a defining statement for Notre Dame and any other blue-blood college football program of the past. The game has changed, drastically. 

What was once elite, can easily no longer be. What was once the worst program in college football — with the right hire and whole lot of NIL cash — can be its best. College football doesn’t need Notre Dame like it used to, doesn’t need the charm and glory and pageantry of the Four Horsemen and Touchdown Jesus and those magnificent gold helmets. Get over yourself, Irish — it’s a new world. 

The quicker Notre Dame figures it out, the quicker it realizes every game, every moment on the field, is another chance to convince high school and transfer portal players to come play in the freezing Midwest and try to win a national title for the first time in nearly 40 years. Young men aren’t interested in taking a stand against anything.

They’re invested in making money by playing football, and if you’re really fortunate, maybe somewhat interested in graduating from the same school. Decades ago, there was an unwritten rule at Notre Dame that prevented the school from playing any bowl game outside the major bowls. But there was a dirty secret behind it. It wasn’t that Notre Dame was standing on principle, and only wanted to extend a season for players if it meant a major bowl game.

It’s because by playing in a bowl game, television-friendly Notre Dame was elevating the status of other schools. Especially if the Irish lost.  But now there’s another not-so-secret reality for Notre Dame: BYU doesn’t need the Irish. Nor does any other program in college football. Nor does the CFP or the bowl system or any blue-chip player. The ACC still does, but that’s why Notre Dame is in this mess in the first place.

The best part of the temper tantrum is Notre Dame has been revealed to be just another team, just another program trying to find its way in the ever-changing college football world. One that isn’t waiting around for the Irish anymore. 

 

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