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14 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Yep. These same people who have "eyes and ears and can see how inept Biden is" apparently didnt have eyes and ears for this entire presidency, where that exact thing has been a major republican talking point every time Biden screws up some shit he's talking about. But it's only a huge issue now 4 months out and we should throw him out and start over? Give me a break.

 

Trump knows he can't beat Biden. The Republicans know they can't beat Biden. So they instead try to troll the democrats into doing it for them. Fuck all of that.

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It's a bad sign that Trump is actively trying to court the center by "softening" the platform. That tells me both campaigns have seen the data and moderates are back in play due to Biden's historically bad debate performance.

Drop Out, Joe.

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2 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Bidens approval rating is the second lowest in MODERN HISTORY for a first time President.

Can scream until you are blue in the face about how awesome Biden is but America doesn't agree. 

Again, it doesn't matter. You're not going to find another candidate. You're just not. 

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44 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

If you can't get people to unite behind the sitting President, they will not unite behind anyone.

This is a logical fallacy that assumes the president isn't suffering obvious mental decline.

It's like saying if people aren't ordering the offal there's no way we should but a New York strip on the menu. 

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95% of the people posting here all want the same thing, they just disagree about the best way to achieve  it.  And 100% of those people have been wrong about something at some point in their life.  Most definitely including me.

The stakes are high, people believe they see mistakes being made, and they respond passionately.  All any of us can do is what we think best aids the situation.  For those of you fucking shit all to hell, I forgive you :D

Here's to Dems finding a way to preserve the promise of the United States.  If that isn't in the cards, I hope better men and women than them arise to re-establish it.

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27 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

If you lot wanted another candidate you had your chance to make it happen.

How so?

Many of us have been clamoring for a different set of candidates since 2016.  But I don't think any of us have been in a position to make that happen. 

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13 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Bidens approval rating is the second lowest in MODERN HISTORY for a first time President.

Can scream until you are blue in the face about how awesome Biden is but America doesn't agree. 

And Trump’s is garbage and anyone who replaces Biden’s will be garbage 

Welcome to extreme polarization. Thanks a lot, modern day GOP

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6 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

do it joe.  this geriatric was a quarter century younger than biden.

And how did that end? Oh right, the corrupt guy won because what the fuck is a Hubert Humphrey?

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I didn't think he'd dig in like this. I thought the debate (after a little time, and some encouragement) would be enough to make him realize he's about to do serious, long-lasting damage to the country by staying in. 

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7 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

do it joe.  this geriatric was a quarter century younger than biden.

This isn’t a great example considering it allowed the 2nd most corrupt potus in history to take office.

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As stupid as this is, I'm not sure Biden still doesn't win.  Dems haven't lost anything since Dobbs.

"Yeah, Biden is old but Trump wants to force my 14 year old daughter to have a baby."

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By the way, this is how stubborn he's been about the controversial premise that Palestinian children are human beings vis-a-vis the "steadfast support" for Israel.

They will need to force him out of the race.

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What does a post 2024 win by Biden look like? That's the question that should be answered. 

I think it's actually a huge missed opportunity that leveraging the latest technology available isn't the core focus of these administrations. 

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13 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Oh right, the corrupt guy won because what the fuck is a Hubert Humphrey

Family named him after the MetroDome in Minneapolis.  This isn't that hard

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16 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I didn't think he'd dig in like this. I thought the debate (after a little time, and some encouragement) would be enough to make him realize he's about to do serious, long-lasting damage to the country by staying in. 

You ever have to take the keys away from Grandpa or an elderly parent? It looks and feels quite a bit like this

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15 minutes ago, immamac said:

I think it's actually a huge missed opportunity that leveraging the latest technology available isn't the core focus of these administrations. 

The remote-controlled color television?

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55 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

No. I'm just saying you're not going to find another candidate to get people united behind. If they can't united behind the sitting President against the end of democracy, they can't unite behind anyone. Having a speed primary is just going to result in more infighting between factions. I know y'all want a different choice. I'd be cool with one too. But this is fundamentally a voter problem. Everyone wants something different and isn't willing to accept anything else. 

The speed primary thing is stupid and a classic example of Democrats treating a broken foot with an amputation as opposed to a boot.

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6 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

As stupid as this is, I'm not sure Biden still doesn't win.  Dems haven't lost anything since Dobbs.

"Yeah, Biden is old but Trump wants to force my 14 year old daughter to have a baby."

Sure. But the people voting because of Dobbs are voting Democrat no matter what As are the staunchly anti-Trump crowd. Which makes nominating almost literally anyone else relatively low risk.

(telling you things I've already read you express) 

I don't think there's a 0% chance that Biden can win. I think there's a 0% change that he wins if the vote were held today. And I'm struggling to find the mechanisms available to him to change the narrative in his current condition.

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17 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

And how did that end? Oh right, the corrupt guy won because what the fuck is a Hubert Humphrey?

 

15 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

This isn’t a great example considering it allowed the 2nd most corrupt potus in history to take office.

won't get any argument from me that pulling a rabbit out of the hat with someone that will be relatively unknown will be easy, but implying that the pullout should be expected to end the same as the 1968 overlooks . . . something.  

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19 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

This isn’t a great example considering it allowed the 2nd most corrupt potus in history to take office.

He wasn't the 2nd most corrupt PotUS yet. Trump is a known entity to everyone, and the country is begging for anyone under the age of 80. We have a golden opportunity as a party and Joe is blowing it and probably his legacy (we'll see of course).

 

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1 hour ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Do you become President of the US without having a massive ego? 

Bidens legacy may end up being he helped lead to the dismantling of American democracy.

If the Dems don’t prevail Biden’s legacy may very well be that he handed the country right back to Trump. But that story hasn’t been written. Anything can happen.

I would have been shocked by Biden’s digging in if I had not heard from his biographer who was making the rounds on networks after the debate. He said no chance he steps down. And his inner circle is tight. His family WANTS him to run. If they did not he would be very conflicted. 

what I wonder is: will this create a legit third party? A middle of the road one? Will progressive Dems split with the moderate ones (who appear to have been in hiding like Liberals were in the 80’s and 90’s)? 

I don’t see anything other than Biden is running and the party will defend him and step behind him. 
 

sometimes I feel like there is this amazing mythical cabinet, that is full of these incredible candidates we will never get a chance to vote for and the powers that be open the doors showing us our wildest dreams and just pick out the two they want and when we say, “Well what about that?” And the powers that be say “nope. These are the two you get. Go vote.”

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CNN just said records show a Parkinson’s specialist met with Biden’s physician at the White House early 2024.

For what that is worth. There are things that can cause Parkinson-ism but none good for future of running the country next four years. 

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Biden is doing exactly what 95% of politicians, athletes, or others in high profile visibility professionals, do. They just can't walk away. The power, limelight, and  stardom, feeds them and they don't want to / can't give that up. He, and many others, need to follow the example set by Barry Sanders. Know when to walk away. Sadly, in this case, it isn't just a football season that will be lost. 

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27 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

And how did that end? Oh right, the corrupt guy won because what the fuck is a Hubert Humphrey?

This statement shows me you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what happened in 1968.

If you understood how/why Hubert Humphry became the Dem nominee, you might come away with a different conclusion.

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JFC.  We should be having an empathetic conversation about using the 25th Amendment, instead a significant part of the Party is saying: "Well, if I squint just right and hold a prism up, I think I can see victory in November"  What. The. Fuck. 

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25 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

As stupid as this is, I'm not sure Biden still doesn't win.  Dems haven't lost anything since Dobbs.

"Yeah, Biden is old but Trump wants to force my 14 year old daughter to have a baby."

The ~10%-15% of the electorate that are either legitimate swing or new voters are not Aristotle and Plato deliberately weighing the pros and cons of each candidate in thoughtful detail. They are relatively disengaged and/or new voters aging into the electorate and looking back on four years of, fair or not, Biden being the POTUS that presided over major inflation and a lot of the shitty things people said would happen under Trump happening anyway. People see that and feel like who they vote for doesn't matter.

22 minutes ago, immamac said:

What does a post 2024 win by Biden look like? That's the question that should be answered. 

I think it's actually a huge missed opportunity that leveraging the latest technology available isn't the core focus of these administrations. 

It looks like gridlock, a shitload of regulatory litigation in the wake of recent SCOTUS decisions, and Kamala Harris taking the oath of office by early 2026.

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2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

This statement shows me you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what happened in 1968.

If you understood how/why Hubert Humphry became the Dem nominee, you might come away with a different conclusion.

This. LBJ chose not to run partially to help the party, but mostly because his ego couldn't handle losing to RFK. And then RFK was murdered. 

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“Parkinson’s doctor made 10 White House visits, logs show“

 

<<This may become an even worse shit show.>>
 

A neurologist and Parkinson’s disease specialist has made nearly a dozen visits to the White House Medical Unit, visitor logs show, raising new questions about President Biden’s fitness for office as he battles efforts to push him off the 2024 ballot.

Dr. Kevin R. Cannard, a Bethesda neurologist and movement disorder specialist affiliated with Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, visited the office of the White House Medical Unit ten times dating back to November 2022, the visitor logs show.

The logs, last updated on July 1, show Dr. Cannard visited the White House most recently on March 28.

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7 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

If the Dems don’t prevail Biden’s legacy may very well be that he handed the country right back to Trump. But that story hasn’t been written. Anything can happen.

I would have been shocked by Biden’s digging in if I had not heard from his biographer who was making the rounds on networks after the debate. He said no chance he steps down. And his inner circle is tight. His family WANTS him to run. If they did not he would be very conflicted. 

what I wonder is: will this create a legit third party? A middle of the road one? Will progressive Dems split with the moderate ones (who appear to have been in hiding like Liberals were in the 80’s and 90’s)? 

I don’t see anything other than Biden is running and the party will defend him and step behind him. 
 

sometimes I feel like there is this amazing mythical cabinet, that is full of these incredible candidates we will never get a chance to vote for and the powers that be open the doors showing us our wildest dreams and just pick out the two they want and when we say, “Well what about that?” And the powers that be say “nope. These are the two you get. Go vote.”

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CNN just said records show a Parkinson’s specialist met with Biden’s physician at the White House early 2024.

For what that is worth. There are things that can cause Parkinson-ism but none good for future of running the country next four years. 

Oh man. If only there wasn't a historical precedent for a sitting president who has had his health fail him nearly to the point of being incapacitated winning a re-election because people realize that even if he is old and soon to die, the ideas that he represents are far more reasonable than the alternative.

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3 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

It looks like gridlock, a shitload of regulatory litigation in the wake of recent SCOTUS decisions, and Kamala Harris taking the oath of office by early 2026.

 

I'll sign up for that right now

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1 minute ago, Bateshorn said:

This. LBJ chose not to run partially to help the party, but mostly because his ego couldn't handle losing to RFK. And then RFK was murdered. 

Yes, but I was more talking about how LBJ and the DNC worked behind closed doors to anoint Humbert Humphries, when the rank and file wanted one of the 2 other candidates.  

After HH was announced as the candidate, the convention center attendees literally started chanting "No, no, no".  IE the DNC put forth a candidate that the electorate didn't want.  

Sound familiar?

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12 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

If the Dems don’t prevail Biden’s legacy may very well be that he handed the country right back to Trump. But that story hasn’t been written. Anything can happen.

I would have been shocked by Biden’s digging in if I had not heard from his biographer who was making the rounds on networks after the debate. He said no chance he steps down. And his inner circle is tight. His family WANTS him to run. If they did not he would be very conflicted. 

what I wonder is: will this create a legit third party? A middle of the road one? Will progressive Dems split with the moderate ones (who appear to have been in hiding like Liberals were in the 80’s and 90’s)? 

I don’t see anything other than Biden is running and the party will defend him and step behind him. 
 

sometimes I feel like there is this amazing mythical cabinet, that is full of these incredible candidates we will never get a chance to vote for and the powers that be open the doors showing us our wildest dreams and just pick out the two they want and when we say, “Well what about that?” And the powers that be say “nope. These are the two you get. Go vote.”

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CNN just said records show a Parkinson’s specialist met with Biden’s physician at the White House early 2024.

For what that is worth. There are things that can cause Parkinson-ism but none good for future of running the country next four years. 

I see a large headline at Drudge leading to a Washington Times report saying a Parkinson's doctor made 10 White House visits. The NYT has a story saying a neuro doctor made eight trips to the WH in eight months.

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Posted
1 minute ago, G650 said:

 

I'll sign up for that right now

I mean so would I. I'm voting Biden, Harris, Carrot Top, whoever ends up the Democratic nominee. I am not in that small but decisive portion of the electorate.

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Just now, Pam Cummings said:

Oh man. If only there wasn't a historical precedent for a sitting president who has had his health fail him nearly to the point of being incapacitated winning a re-election because people realize that even if he is old and soon to die, the ideas that he represents are far more reasonable than the alternative.

I realize you are a troll, but come on man:  We got the 25th Amendment (and possibly WW2) because of Woodrow and Edith Wilson's pigheaded-ness. 

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1 minute ago, C-Man said:

I see a large headline at Drudge leading to a Washington Times report saying a Parkinson's doctor made 10 White House visits. The NYT has a story saying a neuro doctor made eight trips to the WH in eight months.

The news is fluid. I typical wait for MSNBC to report something. But those logs were available to the public all this time were they not? 
 

I’m depressed about all of this quite frankly. 

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5 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

“Parkinson’s doctor made 10 White House visits, logs show“

 

<<This may become an even worse shit show.>>
 

A neurologist and Parkinson’s disease specialist has made nearly a dozen visits to the White House Medical Unit, visitor logs show, raising new questions about President Biden’s fitness for office as he battles efforts to push him off the 2024 ballot.

Dr. Kevin R. Cannard, a Bethesda neurologist and movement disorder specialist affiliated with Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, visited the office of the White House Medical Unit ten times dating back to November 2022, the visitor logs show.

The logs, last updated on July 1, show Dr. Cannard visited the White House most recently on March 28.

 

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That this is getting leaked and Biden is going on TV on short notice to trash the party establishment is illustrative of how dirty this is getting behind the scenes. This is a GOP talking point for the rest of the race if he stays in regardless of context.

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1 minute ago, C-Man said:

I see a large headline at Drudge leading to a Washington Times report saying a Parkinson's doctor made 10 White House visits. The NYT has a story saying a neuro doctor made eight trips to the WH in eight months.

Yes, but certain people here would rather stick with a candidate who ensures the Democrats have to play defense instead of prosecuting Trump.

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1 minute ago, gmr548 said:

That this is getting leaked and Biden is going on TV on short notice to trash the party establishment is illustrative of how dirty this is getting behind the scenes. This is a GOP talking point for the rest of the race if he stays in regardless of context.

The WH is about to have a briefing. “They” are going to strong arm him out is how it feels like. Whoever “they” is comprised of. 

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Carville backs the mini primary and wants Biden out:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/08/opinion/biden-democratic-nominee.html

Mark my words: Joe Biden is going to be out of the 2024 presidential race. Whether he is ready to admit it or not. His pleas on Monday to congressional Democrats for support will not unite the party behind him. Mr. Biden says he’s staying in the race, but it’s only a matter of time before Democratic pressure and public and private polling lead him to exit the race. The jig is up, and the sooner Mr. Biden and Democratic leaders accept this, the better. We need to move forward.

But it can’t be by anointing Vice President Kamala Harris or anyone else as the presumptive Democratic nominee. We’ve got to do it out in the open — the exact opposite of what Donald Trump wants us to do.

For the first time in his life, Mr. Trump is praying. To win the White House and increase his chances of avoiding an orange jumpsuit, he needs Democrats to make the wrong moves in the coming days — namely, to appear to rig the nomination for a fading president or the sitting vice president or some other heir apparent. He needs to be able to type ALL CAPS posts about power brokers and big donors putting the fix in. He needs, in other words, for Democrats to blow it.

We’re not going to do that.

We’re going to nominate a new ticket in a highly democratic and novel way, not in the backrooms of Washington, D.C., or Chicago.

 

 

We’re at the stage where we need constructive ideas for how to move forward. Representative Jim Clyburn and the Times Opinion columnist Ezra Klein have spoken about a Democratic “mini-primary,” and I want to build on that.

 

I want to see the Democratic Party hold four historic town halls between now and the Democratic National Convention in August — one each in the South, the Northeast, the Midwest and the West. We can recruit the two most obvious and qualified people in the world to facilitate substantive discussions: Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. They may not represent every faction under our party’s big tent. But they care as much about our democracy as our nation’s first president, they understand what it takes to be president, and they know how to win.

Town halls — high-stakes job interviews for the toughest job in the world — would surely attract television and cable partners and generate record numbers of viewers. Think the Super Bowl with Taylor Swift in the stands. The young, the old and everyone in between will tune in to see history being made in real time.

How will potential nominees be chosen to participate in the town halls? There is no answer here that will satisfy everyone, but hard choices must be made given the tight timetable, and I think leaning on the input of former presidents makes good sense. So I would advise Presidents 42 and 44 to select eight leading contenders out of the pool of those who choose to run, with Ms. Harris most definitely getting a well-earned invite.

I believe the vice president would be a formidable opponent to Mr. Trump. She has spent the last four years crisscrossing the country and the globe, serving the American people. She has a hell of a story — one that more people should know. She stood up for ordinary Americans against big banks. She locked up sex predators. You want the prosecutor or you want the criminal? Not the worst question to put to the American public this November.

Maybe Presidents 42 and 44 can make the candidate selection even more democratic by consulting the nation’s 23 Democratic governors in the town hall selection process. Governors deal in the practical, not the theoretical. But I’m not a details guy. I say we leave it up to 42 and 44.

To be clear, we have a lot more than eight Democrats who could beat the pants off Mr. Trump. But if we don’t limit the town halls to a manageable number of people we’ll get sound bites, not substance.

Town halls will give Americans a fresh look at Ms. Harris and introduce them to our deep bench of smart, dynamic, tested leaders. In addition, Democratic delegates will get to further grill and stress-test these leaders in public and private meetings before a formal vote of all the delegates at the Democratic convention.

A word about those delegates: I trust them to reach a majority decision at the convention after a public and substantive process like this one, and you should, too. Sure, we’ve got some folks on the fringes, God love ’em. But the overwhelming majority of Democratic delegates are pragmatic patriots. They work hard and care deeply about their communities and our country. They come from small towns and big cities and everywhere in between.

I’m not worried about our delegates. They’re in it to win it.

I’m not worried about our talent. We have a staggeringly talented new generation of leaders.

I’m not worried about the money. Americans will be fired up by this open process, and many are already fired up to beat Mr. Trump.

I’m not worried about time. We have excitement and momentum on our side.

And our opponent? The one born with a platinum spoon but no moral compass? The pathological liar? The convicted felon? The predator found liable for sexual abuse? The wannabe dictator? The Putin lickspittle?

I’m not worried about him, either.

It’s been an agonizing time for those of us who think President Biden more than earned a second term but isn’t going to win one. But now we’ve got to move on.

Although my friend Rahm Emanuel usually gets credit, I’ve heard more often that it’s Winston Churchill who is said to have advised, “never let a good crisis go to waste.” A super democratic process — the opposite of what Mr. Trump and his MAGA minions would do — is how we’re going to honor that wisdom in our own “will democracy prevail?” moment.

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2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

where?

I think @gmr548 meant that Biden was on Morning Joe or whatever this morning. I mean he could still run out to the podium in a few minutes when the WH has their presser/briefing. 

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3 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Getting desperate after your boys banned PornHub in TX?

I was just trying to follow this thing and thought something was happening in real time.

I said previously if he made it to today he would be the candidate on election day.  That prediction is taking on water.  One thing I heard on talk radio this AM was that unlike historical political crisis this crisis doesn't stop happening.  Meaning time would distance others from their issue.  That's not happening here.

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57 minutes ago, immamac said:

What does a post 2024 win by Biden look like? That's the question that should be answered. 

I think it's actually a huge missed opportunity that leveraging the latest technology available isn't the core focus of these administrations. 

Far fewer public appearances and a majority of the work being done by his very competent cabinet. Which is why this conversation is insane to me. Worst case scenario is that Biden dies or steps down and Kamala becomes president. Changing horse now just raises a whole new array of attacks. Like someone said above, nobody knows which direction would be best, and to me the default is you stick with what you have, especially if Kamala is the leader in the clubhouse for a replacement.

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46 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Sure. But the people voting because of Dobbs are voting Democrat no matter what As are the staunchly anti-Trump crowd. Which makes nominating almost literally anyone else relatively low risk.

(telling you things I've already read you express) 

I don't think there's a 0% chance that Biden can win. I think there's a 0% change that he wins if the vote were held today. And I'm struggling to find the mechanisms available to him to change the narrative in his current condition.

The only shred of data suggesting this is media polling. 

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2 minutes ago, &#x27;stache said:

Far fewer public appearances and a majority of the work being done by his very competent cabinet. Which is why this conversation is insane to me. Worst case scenario is that Biden dies or steps down and Kamala becomes president. Changing horse now just raises a whole new array of attacks. Like someone said above, nobody knows which direction would be best, and to me the default is you stick with what you have, especially if Kamala is the leader in the clubhouse for a replacement.

I think “they” are going to strong arm him out. Push an open convention. How does axios get all this scoop that appears to be coming from fairly close to Biden’s inner circle? The smart play is as you describe or if he decided to step aside and back Kamala. But now it’s spun off on its own merit. Pandora’s Box has been opened. I’ve no doubt Dems will get it together for a united front in the fall but right now it feels like a shitshow. 

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