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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

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48 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

This seemed pretty good until I stared directly at the wrinkles on his forehead and got weirded out.

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12 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's such a breath of fresh air having multiple national stage Dems not being pussies.

This.  For 20 years, all the Democratic party had was Schumer who vaguely knew what was happening to James Carville basically.  Who, while brilliant and versed and articulate, still came across as a demonic troll.  

Now they've built a bench of about 10 'attack proxies' who can cover anything from Sunday morning shows to late night to opening act for rallies/fundraisers, to attack ads, and everything in between.  Pete, Shapiro, Walz, Crockett, Moskowitz, Rankin, Ted Lieu, Whitmer, et. al.  Seriously good communicators who go on offense while still knowing proper policy defense...and are engaging, even funny, while doing it.  That's a big gulf they just closed the last few years.  

2 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Oriental.

no disrespect...

Just now, YGIFS said:

This.  For 20 years, all the Democratic party had was Schumer who vaguely knew what was happening to James Carville basically.  Who, while brilliant and versed and articulate, still came across as a demonic troll.  

Now they've built a bench of about 10 'attack proxies' who can cover anything from Sunday morning shows to late night to opening act for rallies/fundraisers, to attack ads, and everything in between.  Pete, Shapiro, Walz, Crockett, Moskowitz, Rankin, Ted Lieu, Whitmer, et. al.  Seriously good communicators who go on offense while still knowing proper policy defense...and are engaging, even funny, while doing it.  That's a big gulf they just closed the last few years.  

This and to your point, Carville has been saying this for years.  There was this argument that only Biden could beat Trump and Carville would correctly argue than any number of Dems could and the bench was deeper than people thought.  He was right.  

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27 minutes ago, thepop said:

 

He does sound like him tho- somebody called him “Baruch Obama.”

14 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

This seemed pretty good until I stared directly at the wrinkles on his forehead and got weirded out.

Same.  Like... massive forehead gravitational pull.

2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

This and to your point, Carville has been saying this for years.  There was this argument that only Biden could beat Trump and Carville would correctly argue than any number of Dems could and the bench was deeper than people thought.  He was right.  

Yep, add Newsom and Beshear to that list as well.  Some of those folks are never gonna make a strong POTUS candidate, but they can certainly gain/hold Senate seats and Governor's Mansions and Cabinet Secretary positions.  But that's a multi-decade runway there on that list of POTUS/VP slots in that mix there.  And what's more...the Clintons and Bidens and Pelosis of this nation seem to have made their peace with it and are getting the fuck outta the way.   

2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

He does sound like him tho- somebody called him “Baruch Obama.”

And that....is a nickname I can respect, because it's clever and funny.

18 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

This and to your point, Carville has been saying this for years.  There was this argument that only Biden could beat Trump and Carville would correctly argue than any number of Dems could and the bench was deeper than people thought.  He was right.  

I don't know, I think Biden was just who was needed at the time to defeat Trump in 2020.  I don't know if any of those 2020 primary challengers beat Trump.  It's a huge advantage now that Kamala can run on her record as VP.

3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I am old enough to have once had a crush on a girl named Peggy.

Also, one weekend way back in the day, I hooked up with a girl named Betty, but for some reason, I kept drunkenly calling her "Peggy," even after she corrected me multiple times.  Still closed the deal.  God bless women with low standards.

I read Noonan and thought Lipton. Why does everybody hate Julie?

16 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

He does sound like him tho- somebody called him “Baruch Obama.”

Yeah he's adopted Obama's cadence and accent - you can really hear it when he's giving a speech. Pretty creepy.

 

Biden was the right guy in 2020 because he was able to disappear into the background and have the election be just about Trump.  You can't do that a second time when Trump's presidency is 4 years in the past.  You have to make yourself an affirmative offering to the people.

Just now, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Biden was the right guy in 2020 because he was able to disappear into the background and have the election be just about Trump.  You can't do that a second time when Trump's presidency is 4 years in the past.  You have to make yourself an affirmative offering to the people.

Not to re-litigate it all, but it's crazy in retrospect that they were asking people to vote for a candidate for president, when the job is for four years, who was having obvious trouble completing sentences.  They looked like the party who was full of shit because of it, when they were running against a human piece of shit. Problematic.

There’s no way he hasn’t heard that comparison before. But again, so fucking weird they think it’s an insult, lol.

49 minutes ago, thepop said:

 

Just damn.  Got the rebound, took it down the length of the floor, euro stepped and then finished with some mother fucking authority.

Just now, Red Five said:

Not to re-litigate it all, but it's crazy in retrospect that they were asking people to vote for a candidate for president, when the job is for four years, who was having obvious trouble completing sentences.  They looked like the party who was full of shit because of it, when they were running against a human piece of shit. Problematic.

It makes me pretty proud of the political system that the debate caused a grassroots effort to get Biden out.  They tried to say no, we can fix it for a week or two.  We said you can't.  And they actually listened. Something unprecedented in the 240 years of doing this.

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2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Just damn.  Got the rebound, took it down the length of the floor, euro stepped and then finished with some mother fucking authority.

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52 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's such a breath of fresh air having multiple national stage Dems not being pussies.

 It so is.  

We are spoiled for choice right now.  I keep seeing this clips and saying, "Man, I like this person."  Walz, Shapiro, etc.  

 

Shapiro gets the progressives' panties in a twist if he's the choice. Tactically, he makes so much sense. She has to get PA which isn't a given. 

1 hour ago, thepop said:

 

Okay.  I'm in.  This is the guy.

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Current Veepstakes rating

1) Walz - most upside

2) Shapiro - safest 

3) Beshear - the Bill Clinton of Al Gores

4) Pete B - Dynasty pick, instant offense off the bench

5) Kelly - fine I guess

 

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Beshear - the Bill Clinton of Al Gores

Legitimate chuckle.

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I think Kelly is safer than Shapiro. 

As Texans, should we not have more disdain for Shapiro's support for school vouchers using taxpayer money? He didn't support it as a legislator and then suddenly flipped on it and started talking about it once he ran for governor. 

9 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Shapiro gets the progressives' panties in a twist if he's the choice. Tactically, he makes so much sense. She has to get PA which isn't a given. 

Also, he’s over performed there for years and PA is very representative of the country.  Philly is a big east coast city, Pittsburg is Midwestern, both have big suburbs, and you have a large, blue collar white population in between.

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

I think Kelly is safer than Shapiro. 

As Texans, should we not have more disdain for Shapiro's support for school vouchers using taxpayer money? He didn't support it as a legislator and then suddenly flipped on it and started talking about it once he ran for governor. 

Isn't the billionaire that pays Abbott to push vouchers from PA? Shapiro wetting his beak from the same trough? 

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I think over the last two weeks, I've thought "Let's not overthink this, just choose _______" about probably four different people. These all appear to be better options than, say, Tim Kaine. 

Bidens a great man! You can just tell he cares deeply about the USA. *eagle screeching noise*

Less than 5% of men in his position would have made the same move. You normally only get to the top of the top if you have a gigantic ego, right?

20 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Current Veepstakes rating

1) Walz - most upside

2) Shapiro - safest 

3) Beshear - the Bill Clinton of Al Gores

4) Pete B - Dynasty pick, instant offense off the bench

5) Kelly - fine I guess

 

It is amazing to me how solid a group this is.  And measuring any of them against JD Couchfucker?  Comical.

10 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I think over the last two weeks, I've thought "Let's not overthink this, just choose _______" about probably four different people. These all appear to be better options than, say, Tim Kaine. 

 

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1 minute ago, Native Horn said:

against JD Couchfucker?  Comical.

 

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24 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Current Veepstakes rating

1) Walz - most upside

2) Shapiro - safest 

3) Beshear - the Bill Clinton of Al Gores

4) Pete B - Dynasty pick, instant offense off the bench

5) Kelly - fine I guess

 

Pete and Walz feel like the swing for the fences, I smell blood, picks. Kelly and Beshear are the safe ones. Shapiro is somewhere in between. 

3 hours ago, 'stache said:

Re Rittenhouse, can someone fill me in on where Trump is weak on 2A? Never heard him be even remotely in favor of gun control, at least since he stopped being a democrat (someone should look into that).

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50 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Shapiro gets the progressives' panties in a twist if he's the choice. Tactically, he makes so much sense. She has to get PA which isn't a given. 

You’re starting to see a lot of people post online “it doesn’t matter who the pick is, we are voting for Harris—stay focused” or shit like that. I’ve seen it a lot over the last few days.

Walz is the new uncle Joe. You’d have a beer with him, go hunting with him, and he has a daughter that can stay engaged with those on the toks.

13 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I think Kelly is safer than Shapiro. 

As Texans, should we not have more disdain for Shapiro's support for school vouchers using taxpayer money? He didn't support it as a legislator and then suddenly flipped on it and started talking about it once he ran for governor. 

maybe a better way of saying it is that he's the obvious choice, because he's popular in Pennsylvania, and it's hard to imagine winning without PA.

And for the record - yes, I don't like the voucher thing but I don't live in PA. My main concern there is that it pisses off the teachers unions. the bigger issue with him is the sexual harassment thing with one of his aides, and the willingness of progressives to stay home plus the risk of alienating Arab-American voters and Lebanese voters in Michigan based on the Palestine thing. 

On the positive side, he possibly helps a LOT in Florida, which has overperformed in 3 elections with a black candidate at the top of the ballot. 

Speaking of representational choices involving Pennsylvania - in the leadup to the 1964 election against McClellan, Lincoln knew that the support of Pennsylvania and Germans in particular was critical to victory, and chose to promote an immigrant Prussian soldier and Pennsylvanian (and incidentally, a communist) named Alexander Schimmelfennig, despite him being scapegoated in the press for heavy losses at Chancelorsville and accused of cowardice at Gettysburg for sort of laying low at a house in town for a couple of days until things quieted down. 

The story goes that  when Secretary of War Stanton protested that Alexander Schimmelfennig was unfit to be a brigadier general, Lincoln responded: “No matter about that, his name will make up for any difference there may be, and I’ll take the risk of his coming out all right.”

Of course, he won Pennsylvania, and Lincoln evidently thought Alexander Schimmelfennig was crucial to continued support, because he was later honored to receive the surrender of Charleston.

14 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Pete and Walz feel like the swing for the fences, I smell blood, picks. Kelly and Beshear are the safe ones. Shapiro is somewhere in between. 

good post. Shapiro has the highest floor and the lowest ceiling.

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

You’re starting to see a lot of people post online “it doesn’t matter who the luck is, we are voting for Harris—stay focused” or shit like that. I’ve seen it a lot over the last few days.

Walt is the new uncle Joe. You’d have a beer with him, go hunting with him, and he has a daughter that can stay engaged with those on the toks.

Sure but never underestimate the stupid left like chainsaw that will find some way to purity test the pick as a reason that people might not vote for Kamala even though doing so would make absolutely no sense for what they claim to care about. 

Walz would be a home run for me but I'm not sure what else he nets. But he knows how to speak to the Rust Belt. 

The best will be when Trump shits all over the pick after his VP comment at the NABJ interview.

1 minute ago, tx ind said:

The best will be when Trump shits all over the pick after his VP comment at the NABJ interview.

“He’s not really Jewish.”

33 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Yeah he's adopted Obama's cadence and accent - you can really hear it when he's giving a speech. Pretty creepy.

 

The cadence is quite similar.  Of course, I've heard more than a few politicians of that generation with that cadence, it's not uncommon.

The accent?  Ummm, they really aren't similar at all.  Shapiro definitely has a NE slant to his accent, Obama's is more neutral.

2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

good post. Shapiro has the highest floor and the lowest ceiling.

I consider you & @Js1 two of the most politically astute posters on surly.  How much would you say the VP choice can move the meter, historically speaking?

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