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21 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

A lot of Athiest do a better job of being Christian than most self proclaimed Christians

It is so true. I probably know a lot of Athiests but none proclaim it to me like a cross-fitter. As far as I can tell they just have quiet humanity.

For what it is worth, my mother lives in Buda. I go there several times a week to keep an eye on her and help out with random stuff. Deep Buda. The Harris/Walz yard signs probably outnumber Trump signs 3:1 in her quiet neighborhood where everyone waves at each other. It is heartening.

 

It just seems like the Trump enthusiam has waned somewhat and some people are feeling ashamed. They should. We shall see.

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3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

TIPP has been found to have twice egregiously fucked with their LV samples. They also still claim to be the “‘most accurate pollster” in 2016 despite their national poll being 4 points off in Trump’s favor

This race hasn’t moved. At all. All these polls are bunk 

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2 hours ago, HRSchenker said:

Keep your eyes on Kaufman County this fall. Yes Trump won it 66/32 in 2020 but it saw a 13 point swing in favor of Democrats. That was the largest increase in the entire state (and if I remember correctly, it was the second largest swing for any county in the entire nation). Do you know what Texas county saw the largest increase in voter registrations since November 2020? Kaufman County. 

I don't think it would flip blue but any close election should cause Republicans to panic big time. Even a 59/41 is panic worthy for the GOP. A Republican hasn't dropped below 60% in KC since 1996 (although that was also a three man presidential race, if it was two man that election would be 1988).

Kaufman county is also one of if not the fastest growing counties in the state so I don’t know what conclusions you can draw about new voters there

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35 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

All I know is I am sick of seeing ads every 5 minutes about Kamala giving taxpayer money to transgender prisoners (add in the anti Allred/Cruz ads scaring people that Allred is voting to give all kids sex change operations).  If Trump wins based on shit like this I truly will wish the worst for all the people that voted for him.  I’m a fairly rich white male so I am pretty sure neither president will affect my life but for those that vote for these guys and then can’t afford health care and die in their double wide, or freeze to death when the electricity/gas fails in Texas or lose their jobs because the corporations move overseas, I will have a smile on my face from ear to ear and won’t feel one ounce of sadness towards those people.  It sucks it will hurt tons of people that actually vote for Kamala/Allred and get hurt but I am kind of done with this country if Trump actually wins.  My father always said, “the people get the government and politicians they deserve based on how they vote”.  Sadly, he was right and we are about to fuck around and find out in the worst way.  

 

All this doom and gloom is probably because I am pissed about the UT football game yesterday but this shit is tiring.  I will vote and do my part but I can’t even watch the news channels anymore for fear I may have a stroke from the anger they induce. 

I quit caring about Trump voters years ago. 

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20 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Yes, it does, and the bulk of the blame goes to people who will vote for a guy who will tell them "I don't care about you" to their face.

But he doesn’t. He literally says “I will fix it.” Democrats don’t say either. Instead they rarely say anything and when they do it’s policy this and program that.

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That asshole McDonald's owner says he has 200 employees.   The average store has 50 employees and nets about $150,000 per year.   He's more concerned about his taxes because he's failry close to being part of the 1%.  

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5 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

That asshole McDonald's owner says he has 200 employees.   The average store has 50 employees and nets about $150,000 per year.   He's more concerned about his taxes because he's failry close to being part of the 1%.  

This is probably a decade ago, but I did a loan for someone who owned five McDonalds and they took home about $5k-$6k a month from each (so under $360K annually).  It's a good living but owning one wouldn't get you there (at the time, I'm sure there's also better locations than others). 

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1 hour ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

All I know is I am sick of seeing ads every 5 minutes about Kamala giving taxpayer money to transgender prisoners (add in the anti Allred/Cruz ads scaring people that Allred is voting to give all kids sex change operations).  If Trump wins based on shit like this I truly will wish the worst for all the people that voted for him.  I’m a fairly rich white male so I am pretty sure neither president will affect my life but for those that vote for these guys and then can’t afford health care and die in their double wide, or freeze to death when the electricity/gas fails in Texas or lose their jobs because the corporations move overseas, I will have a smile on my face from ear to ear and won’t feel one ounce of sadness towards those people.  It sucks it will hurt tons of people that actually vote for Kamala/Allred and get hurt but I am kind of done with this country if Trump actually wins.  My father always said, “the people get the government and politicians they deserve based on how they vote”.  Sadly, he was right and we are about to fuck around and find out in the worst way.  

 

All this doom and gloom is probably because I am pissed about the UT football game yesterday but this shit is tiring.  I will vote and do my part but I can’t even watch the news channels anymore for fear I may have a stroke from the anger they induce. 

You say it won’t affect you until they look at how you voted and come for you and your family. 

29 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

That asshole McDonald's owner says he has 200 employees.   The average store has 50 employees and nets about $150,000 per year.   He's more concerned about his taxes because he's failry close to being part of the 1%.  

Yeah, the average McDonalds store owner owns like 5-6. 

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@Bozo_Casanova

Just clarifying your arguments: Dem economic policies are too complicit with and/or complementary to failed (for the middle class) GOP economic policies AND they suck at marketing that their shitty policies would be, maybe a tiny bit better for the MC?

If so, it seems to me the marketing failure is the far lesser problem, and really highlights that Dem marketing failures are baked in to the policy choices. Pepsi isn’t going to overtake Coke on marketing alone unless Coke pulls a Bud Lite and alienates a large portion of its target consumer.

Sure. Dems could be better at all this. No argument there. But, IMO, actually capturing the non-idiot 60% is impossible without a better product. IMO, Dems don’t want to create a better product because that requires risking their careers and the known path to wealth when their time in office is up  

If I’m missing something in your argument, please correct me. 

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27 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Yes he does. Literally.

 

But that’s a joke and his audience gets it, and he gets that they get it. Democrats are the ones who don’t get his audience, which is why they aren’t democrats anymore. We’ve got to stop deluding ourselves about Donald Trump and his audience. He’s good at this. Democrats are not. To beat him in a presidential campaign Democrats have to be better than him. Biden was still good enough to do it in 2020, but wasn’t anymore. Harris probably is, but it’s a close thing when she’s got the drag of those around her and limited time. So we’ll see

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56 minutes ago, Radical Larry said:

Yep. That’s their game plan. Trump gets 25th after inauguration and this asshole takes over. 
 

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Again, no. This is not the plan. They can’t take him out without him burning them all to the ground. 

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5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

But that’s a joke and his audience gets it, and he gets that they get it. Democrats are the ones who don’t get his audience, which is why they aren’t democrats anymore. We’ve got to stop deluding ourselves about Donald Trump and his audience. He’s good at this. Democrats are not. To beat him in a presidential campaign Democrats have to be better than him. Biden was still good enough to do it in 2020, but wasn’t anymore. Harris probably is, but it’s a close thing when she’s got the drag of those around her and limited time. So we’ll see

What in gods holy name are you blathering about?

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6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

But that’s a joke and his audience gets it, and he gets that they get it. Democrats are the ones who don’t get his audience, which is why they aren’t democrats anymore. We’ve got to stop deluding ourselves about Donald Trump and his audience. He’s good at this. Democrats are not. To beat him in a presidential campaign Democrats have to be better than him. Biden was still good enough to do it in 2020, but wasn’t anymore. Harris probably is, but it’s a close thing when she’s got the drag of those around her and limited time. So we’ll see

That's not a joke from Trump, but it's definitely interpreted as a joke by his audience. Trump says it and means it and loves the fact that even though he tells them he doesn't care about them they still love him. It feeds his narcissism.

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4 minutes ago, softlynow said:

Just clarifying your arguments: Dem economic policies are too complicit with and/or complementary to failed (for the middle class) GOP economic policies AND they suck at marketing that their shitty policies would be, maybe a tiny bit better for the MC?

Great question- mostly yes, but the GOP’s economic ie fiscal and monetary policy is a failure period and is structurally unsound. It doesn’t work for anyone. It’s their tax policy that fails the middle, which Democrats are mostly complicit with. 
 

7 minutes ago, softlynow said:

If so, it seems to me the marketing failure is the far lesser problem, and really highlights that Dem marketing failures are baked in to the policy choices.

No. The marketing problem is the first problem. If you don’t win, policy is irrelevant. And nobody wins on policy. But when they do win, yes the policy isn’t great for the middle and working class. Like I don’t see anybody rearchitecting education or housing policy explicitly to address opportunity hoarding by generationally affluent members of historically disadvantaged groups. 
 

 

11 minutes ago, softlynow said:

But, IMO, actually capturing the non-idiot 60% is impossible without a better product. IMO, Dems don’t want to create a better product because that requires risking their careers and the known path to wealth when their time in office is up  

Well that’s certainly true. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Radical Larry said:

Yep. That’s their game plan. Trump gets 25th after inauguration and this asshole takes over. 
 

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I don’t think the Maga morons would take kindly to having their god-king removed from office, and it’s not like Trump would go quietly. 

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1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I don’t think the Maga morons would take kindly to having their god-king removed from office, and it’s not like Trump would go quietly. 

They won’t do shit about it. And if they try, they’ve already laid the groundwork for using troops to quell protests and riots. 

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Roughly 40% of the Republican early votes so far had previously voted on Election Day in 2020. Going to see a much less Dem-friendly early vote and a much more Dem-friendly Election Day vote, most likely.

Election night will be interesting. Should not be a red mirage like last time. 

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5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Roughly 40% of the Republican early votes so far had previously voted on Election Day in 2020. Going to see a much less Dem-friendly early vote and a much more Dem-friendly Election Day vote, most likely.

Election night will be interesting. Should not be a red mirage like last time. 


is this related to a specific state?

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Just now, Firemans4Horn said:


is this related to a specific state?

No, I believe it’s national. They aren’t demonizing early or mail-in voting this time. 

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2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

No. The marketing problem is the first problem. If you don’t win, policy is irrelevant. And nobody wins on policy. But when they do win, yes the policy isn’t great for the middle and working class. Like I don’t see anybody rearchitecting education or housing policy explicitly to address opportunity hoarding by generationally affluent members of historically disadvantaged groups.

I get that winning is first. So, how, specifically, would you alter Dem campaign strategy?

I’ve always thought Dems never effectively countered the hit on them about “tax and spend” and the race-baiting “welfare queen” vein of attacks on mid-century Dem policies. That’s who they still are to those folks you think are gettable. I also think they’re in fear of getting tagged with being Debbie Downers if they speak more openly about the hollowing out of the MC a la the dubbing of Carter’s honest appraisal as the Malaise Speech.

I don’t have a prescription for what I see is a fundamental problem of the Reagan Era. Do you think you do?
 

Do you not think the myth of the American dream of fabulous wealth being attainable for all is an immovable object constraining Dem messaging and tax policy?

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That asshole McDonald's owner says he has 200 employees.   The average store has 50 employees and nets about $150,000 per year.   He's more concerned about his taxes because he's failry close to being part of the 1%.  

Person who lives with me rent free said she read somewhere he owns four franchises so that would be about right. She was comptroller for a franchisee who had 24 stores in DFW at its peak.
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On 10/16/2024 at 10:30 AM, texasdago said:

OK... so I asked more about it and am working on countering his arguments... he's an attorney if that provides any perspective or maybe it doesn't mean anything because what does these days with Trump supporters?

I asked why she presented a threat to civilization...

"The lawfare that has been practiced by the current administration against Trump (and even against Musk by CA regulators) is the biggest threat to the rule of law not Trump.  Show me the man and I'll find you the crime.  There is a far bigger threat to the rule of law state than Mr. Trump."

So I responded back with consequences of his actions, history of being crooked, skirting rules, breaking laws, grifter, blah blah blah, etc.  I mentioned Musk is not on the ballot.  I also referenced Mark Milley, Mattis, most of his cabinet, etc. coming out against him.

Response

"So you are telling me that you don't think suspending the statute of limitations in NY state for a year so that a lady could file a claim against Trump from 1975 over a Bergdorff Goodman alleged rape that she told no one about and didn't report to the police before having the SOL revert back to its normal 10-year period is not something out of the KGB playbook.  Show me the man and I'll find you the crime.  The legislature in that instance particularly enacted this legislation to get Trump."

Can't speak to the background on the E. Jean Carroll case but why are we talking about a state court case here?  

AND he then said I was being influenced by TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome)

F me... 

Anyway, I dug up our WhatsApp conversation from January 10, 2021 where he admitted I was right about him the whole time.   Screenshot and sent to him.  I told you... you eventually saw through him, you can still see through him.  Best I can do is throw his words back in his face.

Your friend doesn't like brown people.

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23 minutes ago, softlynow said:

I get that winning is first. So, how, specifically, would you alter Dem campaign strategy?

That’s a really long post, but one thing would be a lot of time, attention and money on attacking Republican strengths in Republican strongholds to drive down popularity. Also, Democrats burn a lot of capital on unpopular things- for example opposing voter ID. It would be one thing if that was essential to winning, but it’s not even a popular position with Democrat voters- low propensity voters are now majority Republican voters in most places. 

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20 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

That’s a really long post, but one thing would be a lot of time, attention and money on attacking Republican strengths in Republican strongholds to drive down popularity.

The mechanics of this is the sticking point. You’re talking about massive amounts of money and manpower spent organizing people to prop up local party apparatuses in hopes of getting 70/30 GOP counties to 60/40. Sure, in that scenario lots of folks would become unsung heroes in a new Dem hegemony, but they’re not doing it absent some personal benefit nor without the kind of central planning that Dems have never been good at.

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16 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

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This is where I think the psychological part of this shit show is so fascinating. They know he doesn’t look like this. But they project it because it is a projection of their own weakness. I’m not even sure they view him as a real human being that exists. It’s more of an idea that he represents to them. These broken humans conjure what they think a “strong” person is, which is 180 degrees from reality for sane people, and they convince themselves that is who he is. In the end, this is a damning example of how bad America has fucked up over the past 50 years or so. 

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But that’s a joke and his audience gets it, and he gets that they get it. Democrats are the ones who don’t get his audience, which is why they aren’t democrats anymore. We’ve got to stop deluding ourselves about Donald Trump and his audience. He’s good at this. Democrats are not. To beat him in a presidential campaign Democrats have to be better than him. Biden was still good enough to do it in 2020, but wasn’t anymore. Harris probably is, but it’s a close thing when she’s got the drag of those around her and limited time. So we’ll see

But I think you still think of messaging in somewhat sane and traditional terms….those days are fucking GONE. Forever.

The D strategy has to be to tell even bigger and bolder lies. Trump is promising free ice cream and no more tests at school; Dems need to pitch only hot chicks/dudes as teachers, no homework, pizza AND ice cream every day, guarantee the football team will win state every year…and THEN they need to lie and say they’ve already delivered all those things.

We live in a no-rules world, where convincing idiots is all that matters. So, play the game.
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