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Fuck it, Joe, accept his golf challenge. I don't care if you lose. I'll pay to see that fat fuck waddle around a golf course having every single shot televised and accurately tallied 

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1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

Fuck it, Joe, accept his golf challenge. I don't care if you lose. I'll pay to see that fat fuck waddle around a golf course having every single shot televised and accurately tallied 

JD Vance will be his Smithers

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Maybe this is all a good thing. We're all fucking scared shitless at the moment. The left wins when voter turnout is high. What greater motivator is there than fear?

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5 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

If this happens it will be the first time in my lifetime that the DNC actually did something that resembles trying to win an election. Every D victory has usually been in spite of, and not because of, the DNC.

Yeah, I don't see this as some giant, unhealthy, infighting mess. Adapting to new information and what's important to your constituents is what we all say we want. Fuck the "stand behind the big guy no matter what and never admit to being wrong" mentality that we ridicule the GOP for.

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37 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Guys, if you think Trump is going to win 18-35 year olds, have I got a great deal on some oceanside property in Arizona for y'all!

I don’t know what’s going on. Americans have short attention spans and even shorter memories. Constant news about the “bad economy” and inflation, I think, has had an effect on how people remember 2017-2021

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18 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Fuck it, Joe, accept his golf challenge. I don't care if you lose. I'll pay to see that fat fuck waddle around a golf course having every single shot televised and accurately tallied 

Make it a bike race.  See if Trump's fat ass can even get on one.

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27 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

Interesting that the drumbeat of Joe has got to go has picked up again today. I thought they’d at least keep their powder dry until the Big Boy press conference tomorrow. 
 

Watch that CBC meeting. If they turn on him, he’s done. 

I think the CBC and the CHC are backing Joe for leverage to ensure that Kamala will be the candidate if he steps down. If the Democrats can’t guarantee Harris will be the nominee, I don’t think they will support him stepping down. This is just a theory and I have no proof but it would be a very strategic move for Harris supporters. 

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13 hours ago, mdmost said:

He has to be willing to go for this to not become a complete cluster fuck. Instead, he's going to be stubborn, like an old person, and not listen to everyone telling him that he's no longer up to the task. Anyone who has dealt with an elderly relative knows how those conversations tend to go. We can only hope the sense of resignation hits him before it's all too late. It would've been better for everyone if this happened at the State of the Union instead of all us seeing it as Fool's Gold. 

Everyone in the Executive Branch needs to be looking at how best to foil what Trump plans to do when he's elected. Put as many roadblocks as you can right now if it's an option. We better pray the Democrats keep the Senate and gain some seats in the House. That's our only path to keeping this country from slipping away. 

 

13 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Even if you say the Presidency is likely lost at this point with Biden or a replacement I wonder how it would impact the House and Senate- Biden vs no Biden.

Dem leadership (lol) seems to think Biden should stay in even after looking at the terrible poll numbers lately. Weird.

The Democrats cannot win the Senate without the White House barring some total collapse of support on the GOP side that sees something like Allred winning Texas or Dems holding WV or something stupid. At that point, Democrats would win the presidential election anyway. The Dems could lose only WV - holding PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, MT, and OH - and still lose the Senate at 50-50 with VP Bergum/Vance.

I have been pretty bullish on Democrats' chances in the House. Of course if the Biden campaign has truly imploded and this election really ends up with a Trump outright popular vote victory all bets are off, but there is plenty of evidence for Democratic congressional candidates outperforming Biden and given the general disapproval of both presidential candidates, people may vote for a check on the president with their congressional votes.

Flipping the House would avert total disaster but Trump and the GOP can accomplish a lot with the WH and Senate, with SCOTUS in their back pocket too. Alito and Thomas will retire and be replaced by 45 year old FedSoc goons.

5 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

What so amazing is how out of the blue this was.  There was just no way to anticipate last year when he was 80 that he would be 81 this year. 

This is funny but honestly that is by far the worst public performance Biden has had given the length, total lack of coherence, and platform. Before you could see he was aging but generally seemed to keep it together well enough for his age. You had people like Kevin McCarthy providing quotes attesting to his ability to function in private. The SOTU, which was not exactly the 4pm Lubys buffet, was fine. It does seem like the dam has burst in recent months.

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Pelosi: Biden better make a decision soon

Biden: I’ve decided Im running unless God says don’t run

Pelosi: better decide again, I mean

lol yeah that statement was fucking weird.

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Those of us that have lost a parent to mental decline can attest to the way it seems to accelerate from “Grampa is slowing down but otherwise good” to “we need to take away the keys and start calling retirement homes” 

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Just now, Bateshorn said:

Those of us that have lost a parent to mental decline can attest to the way it seems to accelerate from “Grampa is slowing down but otherwise good” to “we need to take away the keys and start calling retirement homes” 

We're all Gen X-ers or close here which means we all know exactly what you're talking about.  That first phase can lead to that second phase quickly.

This needs to be addressed with both candidates, quite frankly.  If you have any experience with dementia, you can see Trump is just a few years away from having major problems.

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38 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Fuck it, Joe, accept his golf challenge. I don't care if you lose. I'll pay to see that fat fuck waddle around a golf course having every single shot televised and accurately tallied 

He should respond by challenging Trump to a lie detector test-off. 

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Not a good start today reading from cards at NATO Summit. Tried to speak off the script. Went right back to script. 
 

I want to cry. 😭 I’ve been there with relatives. It’s sad to watch. If Dems want him out then a united damn front. No defections. Everyone on same page. It’s too fucking important. Either all together behind him or all together forcing him out. Strong arm. Remind him this can and will get ugly. The division hurts all of us. Jmo.

again I’m not some political bigwig or donor. I don’t know anything. But that which cannot continue won’t. 

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Follow the money.  From the WSJ:

Campaign finance rules create an incentive for Mr. Biden to stay in the race through the Democratic National Convention in August. At that point, but not before, Mr. Biden would be able to transfer his campaign’s anticipated $100 million war chest to Vice President Kamala Harris, assuming that she, too, is still on the ticket.

If Mr. Biden drops out before the Democratic Party formally makes him its nominee, then Federal Election Commission rules dictate that no more than $2,000 of any campaign funds that he raised may be transferred to any other candidate, including Ms. Harris. The Federal Election Campaign Act governs what a presidential campaign may do with “excess campaign funds,” which is what the money left in the Biden for President campaign will legally be considered if he is no longer a candidate. Those excess funds may be contributed in an unlimited amount to the Democratic National Committee or an independent expenditure committee. Presidential campaigns may also contribute such funds to other federal campaigns, subject to contribution limits, which are $2,000 per election.

In short: Before the nomination officially goes to Mr. Biden, his campaign is limited to donating $2,000 to the Democratic nominee, whether that new standard bearer is Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer or Ms. Harris.

 

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2 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Not a good start today reading from cards at NATO Summit. Tried to speak off the script. Went right back to script. 
 

I want to cry. 😭 I’ve been there with relatives. It’s sad to watch. If Dems want him out then a united damn front. No defections. Everyone on same page. It’s too fucking important. Either all together behind him or all together. The division hurts all of us. Jmo.

again I’m not some political bigwig or donor. I don’t know anything. But that which cannot continue won’t. 

The Congressional leadership should demand an in person meeting.  His refusal to meet with the Senate Dems was disrespectful.  They should make it clear behind the scenes that they meet with him and no family members.  If not, bounce him at the convention and humiliate him.  

Believe it or not, the President of the United State has no leverage here.

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4 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

If the GQP wins the senate they will get rid of the filibuster and add 4 justices. They don’t give a shit about decorum and tradition. The Democrats fucked everything when they had the chance. 

The Dems fucked up when they didn’t invoke the nuclear option to confirm the Merrick Garland nomination.

The Dems fucked up when they didn’t push RGB off the court when she was already old and sick.

The Dems fucked up when they lost to Donald Trump the first time because they thought he was a big fucking joke.

It’s nice to see some Dems trying to actually do something instead of just sitting back and letting shit like this happen again. 

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8 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The Congressional leadership should demand an in person meeting.  His refusal to meet with the Senate Dems was disrespectful.  They should make it clear behind the scenes that they meet with him and no family members.  If not, bounce him at the convention and humiliate him.  

Believe it or not, the President of the United State has no leverage here.

Bouncing him at the convention would take a level of cooperation that does not exist.

Until the party is united against him, he has leverage.

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13 minutes ago, baboso said:

Follow the money.  From the WSJ:

Campaign finance rules create an incentive for Mr. Biden to stay in the race through the Democratic National Convention in August. At that point, but not before, Mr. Biden would be able to transfer his campaign’s anticipated $100 million war chest to Vice President Kamala Harris, assuming that she, too, is still on the ticket.

If Mr. Biden drops out before the Democratic Party formally makes him its nominee, then Federal Election Commission rules dictate that no more than $2,000 of any campaign funds that he raised may be transferred to any other candidate, including Ms. Harris. The Federal Election Campaign Act governs what a presidential campaign may do with “excess campaign funds,” which is what the money left in the Biden for President campaign will legally be considered if he is no longer a candidate. Those excess funds may be contributed in an unlimited amount to the Democratic National Committee or an independent expenditure committee. Presidential campaigns may also contribute such funds to other federal campaigns, subject to contribution limits, which are $2,000 per election.

In short: Before the nomination officially goes to Mr. Biden, his campaign is limited to donating $2,000 to the Democratic nominee, whether that new standard bearer is Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer or Ms. Harris.

 

good info. given that so much of the $ would have to be spent to raise the next person's profile (can't just all be anti-Trump ads that DNC/independent could do), this seems very limiting.

 

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19 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Not a good start today reading from cards at NATO Summit. Tried to speak off the script. Went right back to script. 
 

I want to cry. 😭 I’ve been there with relatives. It’s sad to watch. If Dems want him out then a united damn front. No defections. Everyone on same page. It’s too fucking important. Either all together behind him or all together forcing him out. Strong arm. Remind him this can and will get ugly. The division hurts all of us. Jmo.

again I’m not some political bigwig or donor. I don’t know anything. But that which cannot continue won’t. 

It’s elder abuse at this point. 

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So Clooney says 3 weeks ago at a fundraiser he saw 6/27/24 debate Joe. Not the 2020Joe. We see him attempt go off script/notes/teleprompter and when he can’t retrieve the word he wants he can’t complete the overall thought.i just watched a clip of him from the NATO summit do this and he veered off tried to cover and had to go back to the cards he was holding. 

Normally that wouldn’t be concerning but you factor in his shuffle walk, falling down, his grip strength, his inability so far in the last year 1/2 to go unscripted and have the kind of town halls that 2020 Joe would have slayed. 
 

so Biden’s people wanted the debate as a shot of adrenaline to the campaign going into the convention?

 

 So my question is: who the fuck close to him wanted him up there without a teleprompter? Who the fuck has spent 24 hours with the man that thought he could handle an actual debate? Which technically wasn’t even a debate.
 

They had to know this would go to shit in a hurry and it did. Was someone trying to expose this on purpose? Because unless his inner circle is fucking delusional they had to know he would absolutely destroy himself in a debate. 

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Just now, immamac said:

I'm actually convinced that the Democrats are the ones ruining our country and just letting the Republicans take the credit. 

oh big brained leader, whatever would we do without you? :P 

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I actually kind of like the strategy of Dems keeping things close to the vest during the RNC. Forces them to scrap or at least hedge the anti-Biden talking points while at the same time plan for someone else entirely. There's no benefit to Biden dropping out before the RNC.

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40 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

If the GQP wins the senate they will get rid of the filibuster and add 4 justices. They don’t give a shit about decorum and tradition. The Democrats Manchin and Sinema fucked everything when they had the chance. 

Fify

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I mean what does Biden have to do to get the keys taken away from him? Seriously what would have him staring straight at a 25th amendment forced removal? How bad must he fuck up to not be viable? 

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4 minutes ago, immamac said:

I'm actually convinced that the Democrats are the ones ruining our country and just letting the Republicans take the credit. 

The Dem leadership is complicit and have been for a long time.  They’ve enabled and elevated these monsters for perceived easy election wins and exceeding fundraising goals.  They’re as sociopathic as the big banks. 

The Democratic voters are mostly good folks that just want to do the right thing and protect vulnerable people from harm. 

We’d be better off if the leadership of both parties found some way to murder/suicide each other. 

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21 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

It’s elder abuse at this point. 

I’m probably not the best person on this topic. I get emotional after losing my aunt to early onset dementia and my grandmother to a different form of it. And we aren’t sure what is wrong with him.

But damn y’all my aunt was a microbiology major. Graduated with honors. Worked in that field in the public sector. She was smart af. 
 

I watched her deterioration. From someone so smart to someone who didn’t know what a fork was for. To basically sitting on the floor and putting fake jewelry in piles and staring at it. Three socks on one foot. Two different shoes on. Couldn’t tell you what time it was or what day it was. 
 

What happens when he looks at words at the teleprompter and no longer knows how to say them? You hit plateaus and then a cliff.
 

And it’s readily apparent to most of us that care about him as a human that it has to stop today. Or his dignity and his legacy will be stolen from him in the cruelest possible way. Truth. Sorry. they will have to use the 25th amendment and it will be ugly. I don’t know what else to say. Someone who knows Jill and others in that circle has to care enough about him as a person to stop this before the public spectacle of it is all anyone will remember. And they really will lose the House and Senate. Not just the presidency. 

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Also the mainstream media is desperate for an uptick in viewership and ad dollars, and nothing like Biden being replaced as a Presidential candidate gets the higher-ups wetter. They're helping for the wrong reasons, but they will not let this go for one minute. 

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5 minutes ago, immamac said:

I mean what does Biden have to do to get the keys taken away from him? Seriously what would have him staring straight at a 25th amendment forced removal? How bad must he fuck up to not be viable? 

From Section 4 of the 25th Amendment: "Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

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1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:

What happens when he looks at words at the teleprompter and no longer knows how to say them? You hit plateaus and then a cliff.

Dunno about the 25th amendment bit, but the above is spot on.  Joe Biden is 7 years older than the average life expectancy of a white male in the U.S.  The curve of decline for people at that age is exponential, not linear.

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If it isn’t stopped tonite I can say tomorrow will be bad. He’s going to answer questions. In front of the world. In front of our allies who are already nervous as fuck. I would never do this to someone I cared about. He won’t be able to do it. If he was able to do it he would have run into the press room the morning after the debate or the Monday after and Andrew Shepard style take care of it. He can’t. He hasn’t done it bc he can’t. This wait and see attitude people around him in power keep saying is going to backfire worse than the debate and it will cause people to not trust the party. In the process. 

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As an update, I’m spending this week with someone who used to work for Biden, and still crosses paths with him from time to time. In 2020, while he thought that Biden had lost a step, he was still plenty sharp. Today…he thinks Biden is toast…he’s personally seen his decline over a one year period or so. He doesn’t think his judgment is impaired, he thinks Trump is much more mentally deficient…but Biden looks and sounds frail, not just in the debate. He also thinks we’re totally fucked. I agree with the last part.

I am buying lots and lots of ammo.

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