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11 hours ago, dcbc said:

It reoccurred to me that I currently own a car, and the founder of that car company was, in fact, Hitler.  I'm sure glad I never bought a Tesla.

You had forgotten that you own a car? 

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34 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Carvana just came and hauled my Model S away last week. And they took my neighbor's Model 3 the prior week. This is in CO. So your anecdote is not entirely  accurate.

Yes. In fact, Dealer trade-ins of Teslas are up 300% https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/general/tesla-trade-ins-are-at-an-all-time-high-edmunds-says/ar-AA1Bp9oQ

Edmunds:  found that March 2025 represents the “highest ever share” on record of Tesla trade-ins toward new or used purchases at dealerships. 

Teslas accounted for 1.4% of the cars traded in through March 15, up nearly 300% from the same month last year, when just 0.4% of trade-ins were Teslas. 

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Edmunds’ report also noted a decline in interest from consumers who are interested in similar cars made by different manufacturers. Previously, a car-shopper interested in Ford’s electric vehicles, for instance, might have considered a similar model produced by Tesla ― but that’s also on the decline.

While many Tesla owners remain fiercely loyal to the brand, a loss of external interest would invariably lead to a smaller customer base, the report warned, though it won’t happen overnight.

“Unlike switching smartphone brands or streaming services, replacing a car is a major financial decision, and even the most disillusioned Tesla owners will likely hold onto their vehicles out of necessity,” Jessica Caldwell, Edmunds’ head of insights, told HuffPost in an email.

 

 

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A cnbc reporter live-posted Huckster-muSSk's all-hands. It was far more bizarre than the reports.

here's a few but there's about 20 of 'em:

"There's 7,000 satellites orbiting the earth and all they use is solar panels and a battery." Predicts 90% or more of power on earth will be "solar panels with batteries." He says, "My predictions have a pretty good track record."

...If there’s a good or service you want, you can just have it. Everyone in the world will be able to have anything they want." And he's talking about this as "sustainable abundance" enabled by AI and robotics.

"Optimus is learning to walk and catch balls it's pretty cool." In a short time Optimus went from being an idea to being "the most sophisticated humanoid robot on Earth." Tesla has what others don't - "Our robot has a real brain! It's like Wizard of Oz Tin Man..."

"I think there's an opportunity" he said to make a "supersonic" electric VTOL "jet." Maybe we'll do that! (Tantalizing the fanbois.) Brings up "hyperloop" again. Oh boy.

 

 

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55 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Carvana just came and hauled my Model S away last week. And they took my neighbor's Model 3 the prior week. This is in CO. So your anecdote is not entirely  accurate.

I just don’t get them. The fit, finish, and ride on those things is like dodge level bad. I don’t give a fuck how advanced they feel, if I’m going to buy a POS, I’m not paying base model Porsche money for it.

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16 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

I just don’t get them. The fit, finish, and ride on those things is like dodge level bad. I don’t give a fuck how advanced they feel, if I’m going to buy a POS, I’m not paying base model Porsche money for it.

You will love and enjoy it when it is mandated you have one. The new People's Car. Except VW's were efficient and fun. This will be more of a Lada type thing. Or a Zastava 

I give you the new SUV model. (Still probably outperforms a CT on icy roads.

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18 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

You will love and enjoy it when it is mandated you have one. The new People's Car. Except VW's were efficient and fun. This will be more of a Lada type thing. Or a Zastava 

I give you the new SUV model. (Still probably outperforms a CT on icy roads.

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I went back and forth between the laugh and rage reaction.

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13 hours ago, dcbc said:

It reoccurred to me that I currently own a car, and the founder of that car company was, in fact, Hitler.  I'm sure glad I never bought a Tesla.

What did ‘dolph have to say about the latest quarterly sales figures at the board meeting?

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1 hour ago, Chopper said:

...If there’s a good or service you want, you can just have it. Everyone in the world will be able to have anything they want."

When the robots fail, he’s talking about human slaves as backups.  Redundancy and all.

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Well if you do it right out in the open it can't be illegal. Otherwise nobody in their right mind would do that.

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In other news, fuck dem vets.
Trump and DOGE Propel V.A. Mental Health System into Turmoil
A chaotic restructuring ordered threatens to degrade services for veterans of wars in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
Late in February, as the Trump administration ramped up its quest to transform the federal government, a psychiatrist who treats veterans was directed to her new workstation — and was incredulous.
She was required, under a new return-to-office policy, to conduct virtual psychotherapy with her patients from one of 13 cubicles in a large open office space, the kind of setup used for call centers. Other staff might overhear the sessions, or appear on the patient’s screen as they passed on their way to the bathroom and break room.
The psychiatrist was stunned. Her patients suffered from disorders like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Treating them from her home office, it had taken many months to earn their trust. This new arrangement, she said, violated a core ethical tenet of mental health care: the guarantee of privacy.
When the doctor asked how she was expected to safeguard patient privacy, a supervisor suggested she purchase privacy screens and a white noise machine. “I’m ready to walk away if it comes to it,” she wrote to her manager, in a text message shared with The New York Times. “I get it,” the manager replied. “Many of us are ready to walk away.”
Scenes like this have been unfolding in Veterans Affairs facilities across the country in recent weeks, as therapy and other mental health services have been thrown into turmoil amid the dramatic changes ordered by President Trump and pushed by Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency.
Among the most consequential orders is the requirement that thousands of mental health providers, including many who were hired for fully remote positions, now work full time from federal office space. This is a jarring policy reversal for the V.A., which pioneered the practice of virtual health care two decades ago as a way to reach isolated veterans, long before the pandemic made telehealth the preferred mode of treatment for many Americans.
As the first wave of providers reports to offices where there is simply not enough room to accommodate them, many found no way to ensure patient privacy, health workers said. Some have filed complaints, warning that the arrangement violates ethics regulations and medical privacy laws. At the same time, layoffs of at least 1,900 probationary employees are thinning out already stressed services that assist veterans who are homeless or suicidal.
In more than three dozen interviews, current and recently terminated mental health workers at the V.A. described a period of rapid, chaotic behind-the-scenes change. Many agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity because they want to continue to serve veterans, and feared retribution from the Trump administration.
Clinicians warn that the changes will degrade mental health treatment at the V.A., which already has severe staffing shortages. Some expect to see a mass exodus of sought-after specialists, like psychiatrists and psychologists. They expect wait times to increase, and veterans to eventually seek treatment outside the agency.cont'd:
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“Psychotherapy is a very private endeavor,” said Ira Kedson, a psychologist at the Coatesville V.A. Medical Center in Pennsylvania and president of AFGE local 310. “It’s supposed to be a safe place, where people can talk about their deepest, darkest fears and issues.” Veterans, he said, trust that what they tell therapists is confidential.
“If they can’t trust us to do that, I think that a sizable number of them will withdraw from treatment,” he said.
A Veterans Affairs spokesman, Peter Kasperowicz, dismissed the contention that a crowded working environment would compromise patient privacy as “nonsensical,” saying that the V.A. “will make accommodations as needed so employees have enough space to work and comply with industry standards for privacy.”
“Veterans are now at the center of everything V.A. does,” Mr. Kasperowicz added. “Under President Trump, V.A. is no longer a place where the status quo for employees is to simply phone it in from home.” Anna Kelly, a White House spokeswoman, said the president’s return-to-office order was “ensuring that all Americans benefit from more efficient services, especially our veterans.”
The DOGE cuts have already sparked chaos and confusion within the sprawling agency, which provides care to more than nine million veterans. The Trump administration has said it plans to eliminate 80,000 V.A. jobs, and a first round of terminations has halted some research studies and slashed support staff.
The cuts drive at a sensitive constituency for Mr. Trump, who has campaigned on improving services at the V.A. In Mr. Trump’s first term, the agency expanded remote work as a way to reach veterans who are socially isolated and living in rural areas, who are at an elevated risk for suicide. Now those services are likely to be sharply reduced.
“The end of remote work is essentially the same as cutting mental health services,” said a clinician at a mental health center hub in Kansas, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “These remote docs aren’t moving and they have other options if they are forced to drive to some office however many miles away every day to see their patient virtually from there.”
Veterans, too, are expressing anxiety. Sandra Fenelon, 33, said she had a rocky transition back to civilian life after leaving the Navy in 2022. “I just constantly felt like I am at war,” said Ms. Fenelon, who lives in New York and is training to become a pharmacist.
It took a year, working with a V.A. psychologist, until she felt safe enough to begin sharing the troubling things she had seen on deployment, things that, she said, “people on the outside would never understand.”
Now, Ms. Fenelon is worried that the tumult at the V.A. will prompt her therapist to leave before she is better. In her session this past week, she burst into tears. “I feel like I’m now forced to be put in a position where I have to start over with someone else,” she said in an interview. “How can I relate to a therapist who never worked with veterans?”
‘You Deserve Better’
For a suicide prevention coordinator in California, mornings start with referrals from a crisis hotline. On a typical day, she said, she is given a list of 10 callers, but sometimes as many as 20 or 30. The work is so intense that, most days, there is no time for a lunch break or bathroom breaks.
“My job is to build rapport, to figure out what I need to do to keep them alive. I let them know: ‘I’m worried about you, I’m going to send someone out to check on you,’” the coordinator said. “I tell them, ‘You served this country. You deserve better.’”
The team, which is responsible for covering some 800,000 veterans, was supposed to get three more social workers, but the new positions were canceled as a result of the administration’s hiring freeze, the coordinator said.
She said the stress around the staff reductions is intense, and fears it will cause her to miss something critical. “I’m so scared I’ll make a mistake,” she said. “I’m not sleeping well, and it’s hard to stay focused.”
Veterans are at sharply higher risk for suicide than the general population; in 2022, the suicide rate was 34.7 per 100,000, compared to 14.2 per 100,000 for the general population. A major factor in this is the availability of firearms, which were used in 73.5 percent of suicide deaths, according to the V.A.
In Denver, Bilal Torrens was just finishing a shift when he was notified by email that he was being terminated.
His job, he said, was helping homeless veterans settle into life indoors after years of living on the street. During those early months, Mr. Torrens said, the men are often overwhelmed by the task of collecting benefits, managing medications, even shopping for groceries; he would sit with his clients while they filled out forms and paid bills.
The layoffs reduced the support staff at the homeless service center by a third. The burden will now shift onto social workers, who are already staggering under caseloads of dozens of veterans, he said.
“They’re not going to have enough time to serve any of the veterans properly, the way that they should be served and cared for,” Mr. Torrens said.
Alarms Over Privacy
In Coatesville, Penn., mental health providers have been told they will conduct therapy with veterans from several large office spaces, sitting with their laptops at tables, said Dr. Kedson. The spaces are familiar, he said — but they have never before been used for patient care.
“That would sound like you’re seeing them from a call center, because you’d be in a room with a bunch of people who are all talking at the same time,” Dr. Kedson said. “The veterans who are going to be in that position, I suspect they will feel very much like their privacy is being violated.”
So far, only supervisory clinicians have been affected by the return-to-office policy; unionized workers will be expected to report to the office in the coming weeks.
Dr. Kedson said clinicians have warned that the orders compromise patient privacy, but he has seen little response from the agency’s leadership. “They’re doing it because these are the marching orders coming out of the current administration,” he said. “People are trying to make something that is really untenable work.”
Dr. Lynn F. Bufka, head of practice at the American Psychological Association, said the “longstanding presumed practice for the delivery of psychotherapy” requires a private location, like a room with a door and soundproofing outside the room.
She said HIPAA, the health privacy law, allows for “incidental disclosures” of patient information if they cannot be reasonably prevented — a threshold that she said the V.A. risks not meeting. In this case, she said, the privacy risk could be prevented “by simply not requiring psychologists to return to the office until private spaces are available.”
Several V.A. mental health clinicians told The Times they were interviewing for new jobs or had submitted their resignations. Their departures risk exacerbating already severe staffing shortages at the V.A., outlined in a report last year from its inspector general’s office.
“Everybody is afraid, from the top down,” said Matthew Hunnicutt, 62, a social worker who retired in late February after nearly 15 years, much of it in supervisory positions, at the Jesse Brown V.A. Medical Center in Chicago.
When staff were ordered to shut down diversity initiatives, Mr. Hunnicutt decided to speed up his retirement, feeling that “everything I had done was just wiped away.” He said care at the V.A. had been improved during his time there, with better community outreach, shorter wait times and same-day mental health appointments.
“Just to have it be destroyed like this is extreme,” he said.

 


Whatever, veterans are suckers and losers. They’re getting what this regime thinks they deserve.
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2 hours ago, Chopper said:

 

 

I literally watched a comic book movie recently where the over-the-top, evil leader rallied his troops with promising that they would get everything they ever wanted.

there are paths where Elon becomes a Bond villain and some would argue he’s already there. He sees himself as the victim so any response is justified.

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13 hours ago, MrBig said:

Once you buy a Tesla, you don’t want another car. I know some hardcore Harris people from the Midwest who still drive their Teslas while being proud of how liberal they are. They have no shame in driving their Tesla because they love it and can’t accept their souls have been stolen for convenience. This is how completely fucked we are. 

Disagree. I agree that some may be in this situation but anyone with decent morals is questioning their ownership of a Tesla today.

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yeah, i've actually felt bad for all the Tesla drivers here. there are a TON, Denver had some kind of rebate program years ago and i've never been somewhere with so many EVs! it's actually pretty cool. but knowing Denver went for Harris close to 80% i know most of the Tesla drivers here are not in support of Elon's current warpath.

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i am seeing more and more with stickers and magnets with some variation of the 'bought before i knew he was an asshole/crazy' message. the dealership here is one of the ones that has been attacked. gotta be pretty scary for the local owners. i've only seen a handful of the frankenmobiles.

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37 minutes ago, mchookem said:

...i've never been somewhere with so many EVs! it's actually pretty cool. but knowing Denver went for Harris close to 80% i know most of the Tesla drivers here are not in support of Elon's current warpath.

Is that a reverse "leopard eating faces?"

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:


Whatever, veterans are suckers and losers. They’re getting what this regime thinks they deserve.

They didn't think of bone spurs. Fuck 'em!

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6 hours ago, RPM said:

Well if you do it right out in the open it can't be illegal. Otherwise nobody in their right mind would do that.

Sadly, this flies with 95% of his supporters and probably 75% of non-voters

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11 hours ago, 6th Street said:

Carvana just came and hauled my Model S away last week. And they took my neighbor's Model 3 the prior week. This is in CO. So your anecdote is not entirely  accurate.

Well done Big Dog

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7 hours ago, mchookem said:

yeah, i've actually felt bad for all the Tesla drivers here. there are a TON, Denver had some kind of rebate program years ago and i've never been somewhere with so many EVs! it's actually pretty cool. but knowing Denver went for Harris close to 80% i know most of the Tesla drivers here are not in support of Elon's current warpath.

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i am seeing more and more with stickers and magnets with some variation of the 'bought before i knew he was an asshole/crazy' message. the dealership here is one of the ones that has been attacked. gotta be pretty scary for the local owners. i've only seen a handful of the frankenmobiles.

The problem for the good Tesla owners is I can’t see their stickers until I have already brake checked/ refused merge or high beamed  

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32 minutes ago, Clintonaldo said:

The problem for the good Tesla owners is I can’t see their stickers until I have already brake checked/ refused merge or high beamed  

well...maybe just don't personally be an asshole? it's a much bigger epidemic than measles.

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15 hours ago, SizzleChest said:

When the robots fail, he’s talking about human slaves as backups.  Redundancy and all.

His dad said Elon was friends with their slaves when he was a child.

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9 hours ago, Deej said:

His dad said Elon was friends with their slaves when he was a child.

Elon talks about saving “human civilization” and not humans or the place we live. His is a grim dystopian techno-futurism where most of humanity dies off or ekes out an existence on a choking earth while a small “elite” serve as indentured servants to an even tinier techno-aristocracy off planet.  He’s not even subtle about believing this. 

The off-planet bit will never really happen but everything he does is aimed at making the first part come true. He’s making it happen.  The dude is an absolute clown but also probably one of the three most important people alive right now.  

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1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Elon talks about saving “human civilization” and not humans or the place we live. His is a grim dystopian techno-futurism where most of humanity dies off or ekes out an existence on a choking earth while a small “elite” serve as indentured servants to an even tinier techno-aristocracy off planet.  He’s not even subtle about believing this. 

So, Apartheid but for the modern sensibility 

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On 2/21/2025 at 9:37 PM, Beau Vine said:

Winning 7 true swing states should be identical odds to flipping a coin and getting 7 tails in a row -- 1 in 128, or 0.78%.  I would guess your argument would be about the definition/measurement of a "swing state."

On 2/21/2025 at 1:39 PM, C-Man said:

 

 

I know a few people who are trafficking in these ideas. I'll need to go back and find the source material but the basis of their argument is that the Stop the Steal people illegally got their hands on Dominion voting machines back in 2021 (the Colorado chick went to prison for allowing it). They had plenty of time to reverse engineer them. While the machines are not physically connected to the internet during the election, there is nothing stopping them from having had software installed at some point that allows Starlink to access them (or so this theory says). Starlink had massive rollouts in some crucial counties in the seven swing states. That gets us to the bullet ballots portion of this.

This same piece that I'm going to go look for said Trump won all seven swing states -- the first time any POTUS candidate has done that in four decades. It goes on to say the chances of winning all seven of those states and go ever-so-slightly above the threshold that avoids and automatic hand recount WHILE not surpassing 50% of the popular vote nationwide was on the order of 35 billion to one. (That seems sky high to me but I'm a C-level math student.) This is where the bullet ballots come in -- some key counties in these swing states had an extremely inordinate amount of bullet ballots, which are where the voter votes for POTUS and nothing else. Usually, the number is less than 1% and they were seeing 5-9% in some counties. The final piece to their puzzle was Musk's creating voter rolls with his $1M daily lottery giveaway to get people registered to vote.

Not saying I believe any of the above but it's certainly more evidence than I ever saw Sidney Powell or Mike Lindell present for the 2020 election.

EDIT: here's the link to the piece I read. It's from way back in late November: https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked

 

On 2/21/2025 at 10:20 PM, Anastasis said:

Imagine being this stupid. It's all a coin flip. 

 

On 2/21/2025 at 10:34 PM, CTC2 said:

I give you all your points and respect even those I don’t agree with. 
But, the fundamental difference between you and me is that despite agreeing on some things, I fundamentally do not believe that these are good and serious people, they have proven to be untrustworthy, have no respect for the law, have proven to be willing to do anything to further their interests and do not believe that they are acting in the best interest of the American people.  Not saying they are Nazi’s but people who are really dig them. 
So, in my opinion, it really comes down to whether or not you trust these people to act in your best interest or something even approximating that?   If you do, that’s cool. But I’m not going to apologize for thinking that opinion is really fucked up. 

 

On 2/22/2025 at 8:33 AM, 956 Worldwide said:

Elections in swing states aren’t like coin flips, though.  Depending on the definition, they’re just states that have a history in recent years of going either red or blue, and/or where pre-election polling is very tight. 
 

Tight polling is just that, tight polling. It’s not the same as odds of winning. Because of the way it’s done and difficulties of capturing certain voters and the reality of “vibe shift” it’s probably more likely that on Election Day states will disproportionally shift to one candidate rather than having a coin flip distribution. 

Bumping this sub-thread. Recently came across this video, which I timestamped around the 32 minute mark, where a guy jumps into a powerpoint going into his analysis of Pennsylvania. I'm not sure I'm following it, but I think the gist of it is something called "Turnout Analysis" performed at the precinct level that shows that Allegheny County precincts with a high percentage of RVs showing up to vote (60 percent and higher) were more likely to favor Trump (see the chart at the 45 minute mark). Same for Erie County (50:25 mark) and Philadelphia County (51 minute mark). Is that proof of fraud? They seem to think so, and they think Elon is involved.

I'm not sold, but I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if they turn out to be substantially correct about their suspicions. At the very least, I believe what he has found warrants further and deeper auditing.

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On 3/22/2025 at 6:56 AM, South Austin said:

You had forgotten that you own a car? 

A few drinks in and I forget how to use commas.  It's not a bug.  It's a feature.

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