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I have friends who used to work at Tesla (one at Rivian and Scout/VW now) and used to admire the company that's not this devoted to putting a positive spin on everything.  

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1 minute ago, elfenix said:

i think my favorite part of the video is the car deciding the coast is clear and rolling over the dummy

“don’t hang around the scene of the crime” was probably programmed in early on.

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6 minutes ago, elfenix said:

i think my favorite part of the video is the car deciding the coast is clear and rolling over the dummy

Finish the job 

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I'm willing to have my mind changed by a good, transparent, test.

I'm not willing to change my opinions about Tesla's FSD based on random BlueSky/X/Twitter/Reddit post without a lot of verification about the source, and surely not based on a Dan O'Dowd video, which this turned out to be.

Show me time-synced video from inside the car showing system status and driver actions side-by-side with the external video, and I'll start paying attention to his videos.  If I had realized from the beginning that this was an O'Dowd video, I wouldn't have even acknowledged it.

 

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8 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

O'Dowd has done several shady Tesla FSD takedown videos in the past.  For example: 

Real talk: Does the NHTSA not do thorough, unbiased testing on these autonomous systems before they hit the streets? If not, that'd be where I'd start.

Also, if they don't, why the fuck not?

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44 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

O'Dowd has done several shady Tesla FSD takedown videos in the past.  For example: 

 

 

Actually I would really question if this video shows anything about the Dowd video being shoddy. This video simply says "it's blurry" and "it's suspicious" AND? That doesn't mean anything. Just that people don't like his production quality. So what.

But what they don't do - the exact same test showing how this is false.

In the end Tesla is claiming that FSD is safe - better than a human driver. Where is a video of someone doing exactly this same test with different results?

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Just now, Captain Ron said:

 

Actually I would really question if this video shows anything about the Dowd video being shoddy. This video simply says "it's blurry" and "it's suspicious" AND? That doesn't mean anything. Just that people don't like his production quality. So what.

But what they don't do - the exact same test showing how this is false.

In the end Tesla is claiming that FSD is safe - better than a human driver. Where is a video of someone doing exactly this same test with different results?

Literally thousands of videos of FSD in action on YouTube showing it stopping for pedestrians of all sizes.

The problem with that video isn't that it is crappy quality, but that the quality is good enough to see that there is an alert notification on the screen, but bad enough to not be able to read the notification.  It just so happens that the notification on screen looks exactly like the one that comes up if you press the accelerator to go faster than FSD/autopilot is currently set at.

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I am not disputing that autonomous driving might be safer over, oh I don't know 1B accumulated miles per year?  I honestly don't know.  I see failures like the one from Austin and I immediately think "wait a minute, are we going to be adding more and more vehicles that DON'T know to stop at a school bus when the lights are blinking and the stop sign is out?"  That was a horrible failure.  Unless it is negated by enough tests to prove that the Tesla is actually more safe in that scenario than human drivers have shown to be over decades, then no, it's a non-starter.  

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1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

Literally thousands of videos of FSD in action on YouTube showing it stopping for pedestrians of all sizes.

The problem with that video isn't that it is crappy quality, but that the quality is good enough to see that there is an alert notification on the screen, but bad enough to not be able to read the notification.  It just so happens that the notification on screen looks exactly like the one that comes up if you press the accelerator to go faster than FSD/autopilot is currently set at.

Don't turn up for me when ... I don't go to YouTube and don''t search for them.

 

Again, you're the one trying to prove something, don't ask me to do your work.

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13 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Don't turn up for me when ... I don't go to YouTube and don''t search for them.

 

Again, you're the one trying to prove something, don't ask me to do your work.

Here's one guy who went to a remote road to test.  The Tesla failed against a carboard box with reflective material on it, but stopped at all speeds up to 55 mph for a pedestrian in the middle of nowhere.  And this is a year-old version of the software.

And this guy's soundtrack is horrible, but lots of real world pedestrian interactions with FSD where it almost looks like FSD... anticipates?

 

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9 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

Minus the school bus, no human driver was spotting or anticipating that “kid” in that scenario. 

Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?

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Man they really sacrificed a lot of good kid mannequins to the Tesla FSD test!
 

In all seriousness I like to give guadaloopy a hard time here too, but removing the bus and stop sign part of this demonstration, none of us are stopping in time to not hit these kid mannequins yanked out in front of the moving vehicle. 

 

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55 minutes ago, Covri said:


Man they really sacrificed a lot of good kid mannequins to the Tesla FSD test!
 

In all seriousness I like to give guadaloopy a hard time here too, but removing the bus and stop sign part of this demonstration, none of us are stopping in time to not hit these kid mannequins yanked out in front of the moving vehicle. 

 

Why is that fair? The whole fucking point is if you're gonna be an asshat and blow past a loading or unloading school bus, you're acting recklessly and there's a good chance you commit a negligent homicide. Those tests show quite conclusively that FSD is nowhere near ready for public roads, except as a supplement to a non-asshat human driver. If it were ready, the dummy would've crossed safely because the Tesla had correctly identified the loading/unloading school bus as "loading/unloading school bus" and not as "truck," consequently applied the rules of the road and stopped 50 short of where the dummy crossed.

HH succincly pointed out your idiocy, but I think it's readily apparent you needed it spelled out for you.
 

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I bought it was adding context. Did you watch the video? The car clearly doesn’t recognize the stop sign on the bus every time, that’s a failure that has to be addressed. If you take that element out and just focus on its ability to react to a child running out from behind a parked car it’s going to be near impossible with how little time is given to stop to react either computer or human. I was thinking about it as two separate tests. Kids can run out from behind cars anywhere not just with a bus stopped across the street.

 

I was responding to @hayden_horn

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I had some kids suddenly dart in front of me in a parking lot today. Weirdly, I didn't hit them. Didn't even need to run a flashing stop sign on the side of a bus to not hit them. 

Probably because when there are children around, I know there is a decent chance one of them will obliviously dart in front of me.

I anticipate this and up my own vigilance, because I don't want to run over someone's little paste eater. 

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13 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

Here's one guy who went to a remote road to test.  The Tesla failed against a carboard box with reflective material on it, but stopped at all speeds up to 55 mph for a pedestrian in the middle of nowhere.  And this is a year-old version of the software.

And this guy's soundtrack is horrible, but lots of real world pedestrian interactions with FSD where it almost looks like FSD... anticipates?

 

So I watched the first video all the way through, the second video I watch about a minute, maybe two, I couldn’t take that music anymore, plus it’s almost 18 minutes long.

On the first video, those are good tests, and it passed them pretty easily. But they’re not the same test that the other guy ran. Additionally I think the failure of the box test shows why the Tesla fails the Dowd test set up, a that short box gave the car trouble. I would also say these aren’t the Dowd test, so I don’t see that.

On that second video, I wouldn’t call it anticipation at all. It’s literally just taking the inputs it gets and going with it. In fact, I see some very odd behavior from the opening video where you watch the car follow the people walking in the crosswalk. It did that a few times, like the pedestrian between the mail trucks about a minute in, it literally aims at him for a bit. But it also takes some weird angles on its drive, like 30 seconds in where it makes a left well into oncoming traffic to go behind the pedestrians.

That second guy can also get fucked. He’s using us a human test subjects while he beta tests fucking FSD on busy streets. Fuck that. Hoping for a crossing semi soon in his future.

And finally - again not the Dowd test recreation.

I will give it credit, the car does good. But with lives on the line, the car has to do excellent. And too many people demonstrate it does not. 

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