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4 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

That leads me to believe that O'Dowd and his team are gaming the warning displays and actually slightly pressing the accelerator during these tests, effectively overriding FSD's automated actions. 

You can literally see the accelerator on the floor being untouched during each crosswalk test.

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5 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

That leads me to believe that O'Dowd and his team are gaming the warning displays and actually slightly pressing the accelerator during these tests, effectively overriding FSD's automated actions. 

So a vehicle that can see a child in the road is not empowered to stop itself, and if it tries but gets any driver input it just says ok yolo?

and an extension- a vehicle that is capable of seeing such things and reacting to them, is that capability only utilized in auto driver mode and not as a failsafe of poor driving?  

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18 minutes ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

Art Briles thinks that if the kid didn't want to get hit by a car, he shouldn't have dressed like that. 

 

18 minutes ago, Clintonaldo said:

You make people who blame rape victims look sane. lol 

 

17 minutes ago, Clintonaldo said:

The kid shouldn’t have dressed so slutty if he didn’t want to be mowed down  

Except that isn’t at all what I said.   I said that it was part of the test design intended to produce a specific result. 

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1 hour ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

You'd bet 50/50 that your average human driver would mow down 4 out of 4 kids inching on the edge of a crosswalk who happened to dash across?? No fucking way. Most drivers would have stopped. The kid didn't dash out from behind a car, it was standing at the edge of the crosswalk. I'd bet that 75% of drivers playing on their phones would have taken caution 

In Houston, yeah I'd prolly put it below 50/50 lol

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10 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

So a vehicle that can see a child in the road is not empowered to stop itself, and if it tries but gets any driver input it just says ok yolo?

and an extension- a vehicle that is capable of seeing such things and reacting to them, is that capability only utilized in auto driver mode and not as a failsafe of poor driving?  

You can’t have it both ways yet.   If you want a level 2 system with human supervision, the human has to have the ultimate override.  
 

EAB systems in all auto manufacturers can be overridden by pressing the accelerator.  

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1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

For his next act, he will wrap himself up in a flag:

Holy shit, it’s April of 2024 and none of his lackeys have bothered to explain the First Amendment to him.

Somebody should ask him about censorship on China, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc. 

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1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

You are correct.   I did not notice that before.  Thanks for pointing it out.

 

 

1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

 

 

Except that isn’t at all what I said.   I said that it was part of the test design intended to produce a specific result. 

You said that the driver was pressing the accelerator and then you got pantsed. Dude, take the L. 

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30 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Level 2 is human supervised by SAE definition

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Read the comment I was responding to.  Pato was calling out a Level 2 system for behaving exactly like a Level 2 system is designed to behave.     

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28 minutes ago, royiv said:

 

You said that the driver was pressing the accelerator and then you got pantsed. Dude, take the L. 

Pantsed?   MrBig pointed out information that I had not noticed.   I acknowledged it and I thanked him for it.    

It would be a better world if we could all admit that none of us always has the whole picture.  

I admit that I am biased based on what I experience consistently while using Tesla’s FSD system.  I’m still a bit puzzled by that video because it doesn’t match my experience observing first-hand how this system operates.  But I’m willing to admit that my experience isn’t definitive.

Clearly, the majority of folks on this thread have decided that they have the whole picture regarding Tesla’s approach to FSD and have passed final judgment.  They highlight information that supports that bias and dismiss any information that doesn’t. 

I’m willing to participate in this thread and be a bit of a punching bag because I think it’s important to share another perspective.  
 

But y’all tell me to fuck off and leave the thread, and I will.   

 

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2 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Pantsed?   MrBig pointed out information that I had not noticed.   I acknowledged it and I thanked him for it.    

It would be a better world if we could all admit that none of us always has the whole picture.  

I admit that I am biased based on what I experience consistently while using Tesla’s FSD system.  I’m still a bit puzzled by that video because it doesn’t match my experience observing first-hand how this system operates.  But I’m willing to admit that my experience isn’t definitive.

Clearly, the majority of folks on this thread have decided that they have the whole picture regarding Tesla’s approach to FSD and have passed final judgment.  They highlight information that supports that bias and dismiss any information that doesn’t. 

I’m willing to participate in this thread and be a bit of a punching bag because I think it’s important to share another perspective.  
 

But y’all tell me to fuck off and leave the thread, and I will.   

 

How many kids have run out in front of your Tesla while you’ve been beta testing FSD?

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1 minute ago, royiv said:

How many kids have run out in front of your Tesla while you’ve been beta testing FSD?

I have driven around plenty of pedestrians and watched closely how the car reacts to them while in FSD.   It’s almost maddeningly cautious.  My experience has also been that the car sees and visualizes pedestrians on the display before I even notice them.     

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3 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I have driven around plenty of pedestrians and watched closely how the car reacts to them while in FSD.   It’s almost maddeningly cautious.  My experience has also been that the car sees and visualizes pedestrians on the display before I even notice them.     

That’s skirting the question. An adult pedestrian is very different than a child that is smaller, shiftier and harder to predict than an adult. You move the goal posts a lot in your quest to stan for Tesla.

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4 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I have driven around plenty of pedestrians and watched closely how the car reacts to them while in FSD.   It’s almost maddeningly cautious.  My experience has also been that the car sees and visualizes pedestrians on the display before I even notice them.     

Stop watching porn in your car.

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42 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

lol at going max ac for a goddamn carwash

31 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Well, your warranty will be voided otherwise.  Moose out front should have told you.

The better/more interesting story is that he filed a ticket with Tesla to reboot it, and it took 5 hours to reboot.

Dumbass would have been better off filling his garage with rice.

At least he didn't drive to see the solar eclipse and then had to wait 4 fucking hours to recharge his car so he and his family could be on their way.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/tesla-owners-waited-hours-to-charge-cars-after-total-solar-eclipse/60448157

Or stuff like this from last year, having it get stuck doing a software update, and rebooting, etc., and having to contact Tesla to push updates to it.

This is the kind of shit I used to have to sweat when updating old servers or various Hackintosh builds.  I can't imagine it on a car that you depend up on.

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9 minutes ago, royiv said:

That’s skirting the question. An adult pedestrian is very different than a child that is smaller, shiftier and harder to predict than an adult. You move the goal posts a lot in your quest to stan for Tesla.

Not moving goalposts.  Just replying with related experience.  

I do not have the specific experience  of a child running in front of my vehicle while in FSD.  
 

I do have experience driving in my neighborhood and observing how the car sees and visualizes and behaves around the kids that play, skate, and ride bikes and scooters in the street.  

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16 minutes ago, MrBig said:

There is a bigger difference in what lidar systems can accomplish vs FSD. It is evident in this testing video that the FSD can’t see shit in the dark. Testing starts at 2:21

 

That’s a three year old video, so it’s not an FSD Tesla in the video.  It specifically says in the video that the initial speed is driver controlled and it is relying on the Pedestrian Automated Emergency Braking System to avoid the collision.

It’s obvious that in this test, the non-production LIDAR assisted PAEB system outperformed the standard production PAEB system in older Teslas.

Since the timeframe of the test in this video, Tesla has significantly improved its low-light image processing software.  Couple that with the advances in FSD in the past three years, and I would be very interested to see a new comparison test between these technologies.

 

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4 minutes ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

Finally tested FSD and holy shit I hate it. Having to pay attention and keep hands on the wheel is far more stressful than just driving yourself. FSD is useless unless the driver can fuck off while it's engaged. 

It’s a very uncomfortable feeling the first few times you use it.  I don’t think that’s an indictment of the system, but a natural response that comes from trusting a machine to do something that you have had control of for your entire adult life.  

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Elon is very worried about tax dollars being wasted as Israel (maybe) bombs the last of the F-14s that the Shah bought from us for 2 billion dollars in the 1970s.

To be fair, that was a really good movie from 2022.

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2 hours ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

Finally tested FSD and holy shit I hate it. Having to pay attention and keep hands on the wheel is far more stressful than just driving yourself. FSD is useless unless the driver can fuck off while it's engaged. 

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2 hours ago, royiv said:

How many kids have run out in front of your Tesla while you’ve been beta testing FSD?

 

2 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

I have driven around plenty of pedestrians and watched closely how the car reacts to them while in FSD.   It’s almost maddeningly cautious.  My experience has also been that the car sees and visualizes pedestrians on the display before I even notice them.     

I don't even really know what has been going on in this thread, but I will say that my Model 3 SLAMMED on the brakes in a god damn HEB parking lot when I was going 2mph in non-self drive because it thought it saw a person.  That wasn't nice.

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2 hours ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

Finally tested FSD and holy shit I hate it. Having to pay attention and keep hands on the wheel is far more stressful than just driving yourself. FSD is useless unless the driver can fuck off while it's engaged. 

I don't have FSD, but instead the level below I guess.  Driving on long road trips on interstates and such is quite lovely.  One hand on the wheel and being able to eat or not pay 100% attention for a while is nice.  I don't know if I'll ever get to the point of trusting it to exit or even switch lanes on its own, but taking curves and adaptive cruise is worth it to me.  I'm sure other cars are doing this now too, or catching up quickly.

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8 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I don't have FSD, but instead the level below I guess.  Driving on long road trips on interstates and such is quite lovely.  One hand on the wheel and being able to eat or not pay 100% attention for a while is nice.  I don't know if I'll ever get to the point of trusting it to exit or even switch lanes on its own, but taking curves and adaptive cruise is worth it to me.  I'm sure other cars are doing this now too, or catching up quickly.

Hell the adaptive cruise control in my 2019 Jeep will maintain a follow distance and keep you between the lines with it's relatively unsophisticated ACC. It does use cameras and some radar sensors though so it's got more data to work with than a Tesla in some ways

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2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Elon is very worried about tax dollars being wasted as Israel (maybe) bombs the last of the F-14s that the Shah bought from us for 2 billion dollars in the 1970s.

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LOL at Elon saying “our tax dollars.”

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6 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I don't even really know what has been going on in this thread, but I will say that my Model 3 SLAMMED on the brakes in a god damn HEB parking lot when I was going 2mph in non-self drive because it thought it saw a person.  That wasn't nice.

Now imagine what it's like when the HEB is open.

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7 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Should I even give a fuck about what engagement farming is?

 

All you need to know is it's about 95% of the content on X. If Elon actually cracked down on it (he won't), the numbers for this app would plummet to the point that X would be worth less than a Cybertruck.

 

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1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Wait, they've sold less than 4,000 cybertrucks? LOL. 

BBC reporting on it too

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9ezp0lv039o

The company says an "unapproved change" in the production of the pedal meant "lubricant" was used in its assembly, which means the pad did not stick properly to the pedal.

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11 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

It’s a very uncomfortable feeling the first few times you use it.  I don’t think that’s an indictment of the system, but a natural response that comes from trusting a machine to do something that you have had control of for your entire adult life.  

The whole point of it being only Level 2 is the fact that you CAN’T trust the machine to do the driving task. You still have to pay attention to pick up its messes. You can’t give up total control. 

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6 minutes ago, Captainant said:

BBC reporting on it too

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9ezp0lv039o

The company says an "unapproved change" in the production of the pedal meant "lubricant" was used in its assembly, which means the pad did not stick properly to the pedal.

I don’t know why everybody is upset, I mean “lubricant” is nearly the same thing as “adhesive”, right?  Everybody ends up in the hospital after sex, right?

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6 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

The whole point of it being only Level 2 is the fact that you CAN’T trust the machine to do the driving task. You still have to pay attention to pick up its messes. You can’t give up total control. 

100% agreed.  It has to be monitored constantly, but even though you are monitoring it, you are still watching the car drive itself without your physical input.  That’s a weird feeling at first.  
 

It used to feel really weird, because the maneuvers were mechanical and herky jerky - more digital if you will.  As the system developed further and especially with the shift over to AI-trained V12, it is now much more analog and human-like with its maneuvers.  

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