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8 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

I won’t spoil anything or geek it up in here, but Andor perfectly encapsulated the Democratic party in one of the last episodes. The head of the Dems are actively working against having any sort of groundswell to fight against MAGA. Of course, we don’t have an Andor despite what people want to think about AOC and Bernie, or a rebellion, since liberal women going to a park twice a month with poster boards isn’t helping. But we do have a high counsel that is fighting to make sure nothing happens at all. 

Democrats are the worst party in history, a big tent failure of the highest order and all of the old republic democrats need the boot.

One day Trump will erect a Berlin wall because everybody important is leaving and people will still forget they ever said walls to keep people out not in.

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7 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

I won’t spoil anything or geek it up in here, but Andor perfectly encapsulated the Democratic party in one of the last episodes. The head of the Dems are actively working against having any sort of groundswell to fight against MAGA. Of course, we don’t have an Andor despite what people want to think about AOC and Bernie, or a rebellion, since liberal women going to a park twice a month with poster boards isn’t helping. But we do have a high counsel that is fighting to make sure nothing happens at all. 

If I see Hakeem Jeffries on my tv looking very tired and bored, whining about "Trump's policies" one more time I'm going to lose my mind. 

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22 hours ago, Superhero said:

With so many "Trump fucked you over" executive orders and other shenanigans, which one will the dems use as "private email server" or Bengazi as their attack?

 

That was a rhetorical question. None of them. Because they're the worst at messaging.

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They also don't have a unified following of hateful zombies anxious for the next idiotic comminiqué to fill the rotten hole where their human brains used to be.

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They have this:

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For a war, got to go with the image at top. For a civilization, go with that on the bottom.

We're in deep shit!

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Democrats are the worst party in history, a big tent failure of the highest order and all of the old republic democrats need the boot.
One day Trump will erect a Berlin wall because everybody important is leaving and people will still forget they ever said walls to keep people out not in.

This thread is littered with victims of movements that were co-opted by fanatics and nefarious entities using sophisticated active measures campaigns.

The Old Guard sees no path to victory in America taking on wedge issues like identity politics or taking a strong positions on quagmires like Palestine.

The BLM (not an old guard movement) was a gift that keeps on giving for MAGA. Also co-opted.

Palestinian protests against Dems is another gift for MAGA who leverages bothsides sentiment, even though they are firmly supported by rightwing Zionists no matter the MAGA foreign policy theatrics.

There are no easy solutions and blaming Old Guard pragmatism is part of the problem many times.
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A better analogous movie than Andor is A Few Good Men

Weinberg is the old guard, occasionally even agreeing with the other side

Galloway is the Woke crowd, wanting everyone to strenuously object on social media and protesting democratic leaders in self-owns. Going behind peoples back to do stupid things like going to Aunt Jenny.

We need more Kaffees who use their gifts to systematically find a way to win, even if some risk is involved. Ironically, I see someone like Buttigieg in this role. And hopefully more and more gifted leaders and organizations step up, motivate and mobilize others and seek ways to win.



Epilogue

Maybe Trump is Colonel Jessep. Unfortunately, he confesses to felonies on a daily basis without consequence to himself.

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50 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:


This thread is littered with victims of movements that were co-opted by fanatics and nefarious entities using sophisticated active measures campaigns.

The Old Guard sees no path to victory in America taking on wedge issues like identity politics or taking a strong positions on quagmires like Palestine.

The BLM (not an old guard movement) was a gift that keeps on giving for MAGA. Also co-opted.

Palestinian protests against Dems is another gift for MAGA who leverages bothsides sentiment, even though they are firmly supported by rightwing Zionists no matter the MAGA foreign policy theatrics.

There are no easy solutions and blaming Old Guard pragmatism is part of the problem many times.

There are easy solutions, concentrating on the fundamentals, people are selfish, work on increasing their income over their spending, concentrate just on that and win elections

Everything else is a trap. Including the centrist trap of promising Goldman and Sach's solutions.

 

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10 minutes ago, Nivek said:


Shut the fuck up. They don’t have a propaganda network cause their constituents don’t buy that shit. Not their fault stupids breed.

The Communist bloc had a vast propaganda network and they still lost lots of elections during the late 80s

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13 minutes ago, Nivek said:


Shut the fuck up. They don’t have a propaganda network cause their constituents don’t buy that shit. Not their fault stupids breed.

I feel like I've repeated this a gazillion times, but they don't need a propaganda network, they need messages that resonate with voters. AOC and Bernie, and Buttigieg to an extent, are literally the only ones going out there and actually saying words people want to hear. The rest of them, it feels sometimes like they are all just acting like clones of Chuck Schumer and no one gives a fuck/it's just annoying.

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1 minute ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Who are the most popular democrats right now?

I'd guess AOC and Buttigieg, the same ones are actually, forcefully, calling out R's bullshit the loudest. Not a coincidence imo. 

 

There are no popular democrats right now.

Seriously.  The "most popular" democrats right now have slightly more support and popularity than the "most popular Surly posters."  And about as much significance on the national stage.

The GQP propaganda efforts worked.  All Dems are literal demons who drink the blood of children and require schoolkids to undergo gender reassignment surgery at random over the lunch hour.

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I feel like I've repeated this a gazillion times, but they don't need a propaganda network, they need messages that resonate with voters. AOC and Bernie, and Buttigieg to an extent, are literally the only ones going out there and actually saying words people want to hear. The rest of them, it feels sometimes like they are all just acting like clones of Chuck Schumer and no one gives a fuck/it's just annoying.

And those messages are not getting through the algorithm and propaganda networks. My father had no idea about the Trump crypto coins. None.
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5 minutes ago, Nivek said:

And those messages are not getting through the algorithm and propaganda networks.

Those networks "flood the zone" so completely as to be impenetrable.  They create such a density, a singularity of unreality, that not even a photon of reality can enter.

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7 minutes ago, Nivek said:


And those messages are not getting through the algorithm and propaganda networks. My father had no idea about the Trump crypto coins. None.

That is why the plane story is so important that penetrated the veil because it kept getting on the news, people don't understand cryptocurrencies and people bemoaning how the plane made the news and not the giga corruption makes me angry.

Flood the plane story, stop being so god damn pedantic. Only once the plane story dies bring it up again, and when finally they tell you to shut up about it bring up the crypto scandal.

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6 minutes ago, Nivek said:


And those messages are not getting through the algorithm and propaganda networks. My father had no idea about the Trump crypto coins. None.

You're not wrong, but the non-propagandist media networks basically have nothing to run in opposition because the "voice" of the Democrat party is an annoying, dry, crusty ass old liberal that has nothing to say but repeat old liberal talking points that nobody gives a fuck about and clearly demonstrated his complete lack of spine when the spending bill was on the table, so he has no fucking credibility either.

AOC and Bernie, and to a lesser extent Buttigieg, currently have a broader appeal among voters than pretty much any other US politician you can name (in either party) but the Democrat party is so stuck in its ways of being nothing more than controlled opposition that basically does nothing but pay lip service to ideas that their potential voter base actually care about, that they will continue to be sidelined so Chuck Schumer can go on TV and whine about Trump and then vote in lockstep with him for "decorum" or whatever the fuck.

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2 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Honestly, the problem is far less the Democratic parties fault, although of course, they bear some fault, then it is the destruction of news that pretends to be objective.   

Having spent at least seven decades on this planet, it is my opinion that we have essentially the same amount of uneducated gullible mooks as we ever did.  What we did not have are supposed news outlets like Fox News spreading completely false news to injure one political party while completely ignoring the broadcast of news problematic for their preferred political party.    

And while I get that people will depend on Facebook and their friends and family for some information, it was Rush and the GOP who convinced a large part of the country that there is absolutely no true fact to be cleaned by reading the Washington Post or New York Times or any newspaper that is not MAGA supportive.   I grew up watching the news in the 60s and the objective facts in the ABC NBC and CBS nightly shows did not vary that much in content.    They more or less gave straight news reporting and then people argued about what the facts meant.   There were no such things as alternative facts.  THAT situation is the most damaging.  Once you convince a large portion of America that they are a disloyal non-patriot if they news from anywhere but the Dear Leader’s source, there is nothing a democrat can say on a stump speech or commercial that will penetrate through that thick steel curtain of stupidity. 

When people talk about the better talking points that Democrats could make, they gloss over the fact that a third of the country will never see that point - or if the commercial starts to come on - they will turn the channel or start talking transgender operations during the rest of it.     Advocating for better messaging is obviously a great thing, but it seems to ignore that one side has made it a religion not to listen to or believe that messaging, be it better or not. 

That in my opinion is the bigger problem. A third of the country totally embraces self-induced voluntary ignorance of the other side’s alleged facts.  Until that changes, there is very little that the Democrats can do except wait for the GOP to run the country so far in the ground that they look for an alternative. 

This already happened see Trump I, but instead of capitalizing with Biden we got a "gee whiz lets all get along" putz

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3 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

You're not wrong, but the non-propagandist media networks basically have nothing to run in opposition because the "voice" of the Democrat party is an annoying, dry, crusty ass old liberal that has nothing to say but repeat old liberal talking points that nobody gives a fuck about and clearly demonstrated his complete lack of spine when the spending bill was on the table, so he has no fucking credibility either.

AOC and Bernie, and to a lesser extent Buttigieg, currently have a broader appeal among voters than pretty much any other US politician you can name (in either party) but the Democrat party is so stuck in its ways of being nothing more than controlled opposition that basically does nothing but pay lip service to ideas that their potential voter base actually care about, that they will continue to be sidelined so Chuck Schumer can go on TV and whine about Trump and then vote in lockstep with him for "decorum" or whatever the fuck.

They already ramped up the hate machine against AOC so their response is knee-jerk, much like that of Hillary.  There is no chance she can reach them.   Pete does a damn fine job as coming across as likeable and intelligent.  But I think homophobia will limit him.   A mediocre white man is what is needed right now.   

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1 hour ago, Eskimohorn said:

Maybe Trump is Colonel Jessep. Unfortunately, he confesses to felonies on a daily basis without consequence to himself.

I would 100% rather have Col. Jessup as President.

At least he is honest about what he is.

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19 minutes ago, linux said:

That is why the plane story is so important that penetrated the veil because it kept getting on the news, people don't understand cryptocurrencies and people bemoaning how the plane made the news and not the giga corruption makes me angry.

Flood the plane story, stop being so god damn pedantic. Only once the plane story dies bring it up again, and when finally they tell you to shut up about it bring up the crypto scandal.

The whole not giving a shit about the Constitution and Due Process should be the biggest story.  But they never heard about that either.  The bribes, market manipulation for investing purposes (tariffs), doesn't land with them.  It doesn't land with the poors either because they think it doesn't involve them.  

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17 hours ago, Hermanator said:

I've officially given up. 

This authoritarianism is 100 percent going to happen. We're going to continue to get screwed over more and more, the brainwashed will continue to justify and rationalize all of it, and everything will get worse day by day until the breaking point where it devolves into mass violence by the authoritarian dictatorship against the people or the brainwashed against their fellow citizens. America's scientists and researchers are fleeing in droves and will only increase the drain

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250408-major-brain-drain-researchers-eye-exit-from-trump-s-america

Democrat leadership isn't interesting in fighting it. They want to keep pretending it's 1976 and business as usual.

looking for a way out. Have no idea how that will happen, and it may never happen, but will keep trying. 

Where you gonna go that the rich won't want to take a huge slice?  Everything belongs to them is their view.  Colonialism 101.  Also, we have a history of breaking treaties, yet we thought it wouldn't ever affect us, regular people?  We're watching the rule of law now to see what breaks and which way, with 2 SCJustices admittedly ready to concede everything to the rich.  Any of them that take gifts are ready to sign off--that's the cost of what they're receiving. 

What I don't get is how billionaires and soon to be trillionaires can direct people to believe that immigrants, poor and minorities are taking all their money and benefits.  It's all right there in the word billionaire, yet we look at the impoverished and decide they're the ones fucking us over. But in the end, the rich will end up on hooks, which is the way it's ever been.  Yet they persist, same as criminals with the belief that they can make it work for them. The masses will eventually take back their pound of flesh and it will all repeat again.    

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20 minutes ago, Nivek said:

A mediocre white man is what is needed right now.   

It’s time for the Surley PAC to get to work. We’ve got a target-rich environment here.  Secretary of State Derka solving the Middle East crisis seems as reasonable as anything else that’s happened in recent years.

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18 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

I would 100% rather have Col. Jessup as President.

At least he is honest about what he is.

Zero kidding here -- I'd absolutely prefer Col Jessup.  Because, while he was completely wrongheaded about it, his motivation at least included a genuine goal of protecting the country.  Col. Jessup wasn't looking out for Col. Jessup (well, not only looking out for himself), he genuinely intended to serve the greater good, even if his vision of how to do so was twisted.

There is not a single atom of Donald Trump that is not singularly focused on feeding his selfish ends.

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40 minutes ago, Nivek said:

A mediocre white man is what is needed right now.   

So many possible Surly presidential candidates.  I hereby throw my hat in the ring.

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It’s time for the Surley PAC to get to work. We’ve got a target-rich environment here.  Secretary of State Derka solving the Middle East crisis seems as reasonable as anything else that’s happened in recent years.

“Hey guys, I’ve brought my own recipe for the hookah. You should give it a try before we talk business.”
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There are easy solutions, concentrating on the fundamentals, people are selfish, work on increasing their income over their spending, concentrate just on that and win elections
Everything else is a trap. Including the centrist trap of promising Goldman and Sach's solutions.
 

With all due respect, this is a childish opinion. And, I mostly agree with avoiding wedge issues. Where we differ is on the ease of running on fundamentals. But wedge issues dominate the cycle and do so spectacularly.

Fundamentals starts with campaign finance reform. Thats not an easy win, especially with the forces stacked up against it: SCOTUS, Congress, Foreign influences, and our own media (who sits at the trough).
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16 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Honestly, the problem is far less the Democratic parties fault, although of course, they bear some fault, then it is the destruction of news that pretends to be objective.   

Having spent at least seven decades on this planet, it is my opinion that we have essentially the same amount of uneducated gullible mooks as we ever did.  What we did not have are supposed news outlets like Fox News spreading completely false news to injure one political party while completely ignoring the broadcast of news problematic for their preferred political party.    

And while I get that people will depend on Facebook and their friends and family for some information, it was Rush and the GOP who convinced a large part of the country that there is absolutely no true fact to be gleaned by reading the Washington Post or New York Times or any newspaper that is not MAGA supportive.   I grew up watching the news in the 60s and the objective facts in the ABC NBC and CBS nightly shows did not vary that much in content.    They more or less gave straight news reporting and then people argued about what the facts meant.   There were no such things as alternative facts.  THAT situation is the most damaging.  Once you convince a large portion of America that they are a disloyal non-patriot if they receive news from anywhere but the Dear Leader’s source, there is nothing a democrat can say on a stump speech or commercial that will penetrate through that thick steel curtain of stupidity. 

When people talk about the better talking points that Democrats could make, they gloss over the fact that a third of the country will never see that point - or if the commercial starts to come on - they will turn the channel or start talking transgender operations during the rest of it.     Advocating for better messaging is obviously a great thing, but it seems to ignore that one side has made it a religion not to listen to or believe that messaging, be it better or not. 

That in my opinion is the bigger problem. A third of the country totally embraces self-induced voluntary ignorance of the other side’s alleged facts.  Until that changes, there is very little that the Democrats can do except wait for the GOP to run the country so far in the ground that they look for an alternative. 

Yup.  Trump is just a symptom.  This path has been set since Reagan and been going on for decades.  Pubs run on racism, hatred, and tax cuts for rich and exploding the defecit.  Dems occasionally get elected to clean up the economic resultant disaster, then the morons of this country rinse and repeat.  Every American alive has now essentially forgotten real pain and suffering experienced by prior generations.  Unfortunately there is no short cut for it.  No cute slogan or heart felt speaech is gonna cut it.  We are due a complete economic and social disaster.   Extreme pain and suffering for millions.  Maybe then, and only then will we get some fundamental changes to avoid another Trump for the following 80 or so years.  Buckle up, lay back and enjoy it. 

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Agree with many of the recent points. Here is what I think the Democrats need to do. 

They need to focus on one theme over and over and over: the fact that Republicans are lying about everything. And attack their “news” sources relentlessly. 

And then point out fact via fiction over and over on every single issue, as a quick side note, not a main focus. 

Hammer the lying theme home for the next 3.5 years relentlessly, and nothing else. Forget the “working family” crap, “the rich paying their fair share”, and every other tired message that has failed to resonate.  Attack the root cause - the truth and lying.  Attack them. Don’t say things that can be attacked. Win the crowd. Win the election. Win the mid-terms.

Conversely, I disagree strongly with the strategy of ramping up the far left progressive messaging in an attempt to draw in new voters. Why? Because the election showed us that young people are more complicated than just wanting progressive government.  They’ve shown they also can be victims of disinformation. And important segments of those potential voters do have real concerns about the overstepping of the government for minorities, and other issues.  For example young professional white males need to be won too. Trump’s campaigning brilliance was saying things that appealed to every potential voting segment, including racists, nationalists, etc. While the Democrats shouldn’t lie like Trump, or target unsavory segments, they should also not alienate large voting segments.  

 

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15 hours ago, Mdhorn said:

What I don't get is how billionaires and soon to be trillionaires can direct people to believe that immigrants, poor and minorities are taking all their money and benefits.  It's all right there in the word billionaire, yet we look at the impoverished and decide they're the ones fucking us over. But in the end, the rich will end up on hooks, which is the way it's ever been.  Yet they persist, same as criminals with the belief that they can make it work for them. The masses will eventually take back their pound of flesh and it will all repeat again.    

Because people already WANT to hate. There is a pile of sticks already smoldering, all you have to do is pour a little gasoline on it. We've spent this country's history telling a segment of the constituents that these other people that don't look like you are lesser than you and that's why they need to live and go to school over there. They are less intelligent, and uncivilized. Your violence is okay. You had to exterminate all the Native Americans because they were savages. Black people needed to be kept in place or else they would rape all our women. Take the Mahendra Patel incident. If that happened in an era with no store video he would go to prison for years, even though dude is a well educated engineer and owns multiple properties in the community. All it took was for some white lady to accuse him of doing something and he is sitting in jail for 45 days, evidence to the contrary.

This country is falling behind other industrialized nations precisely because of the above. We cannot allow socialized medicine because some undeserving brown person might take advantage of it. Don't believe me? Let's look at Mississippi. It is no coincidence that the brownest state in the union is also the worst. Cannot allow investment in infrastructure or make any efforts to bring any industry. Their efforts to keep the status quo have prevented any growth. Wallowing in shit since the 1870's.

 

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16 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Zero kidding here -- I'd absolutely prefer Col Jessup.  Because, while he was completely wrongheaded about it, his motivation at least included a genuine goal of protecting the country.  Col. Jessup wasn't looking out for Col. Jessup (well, not only looking out for himself), he genuinely intended to serve the greater good, even if his vision of how to do so was twisted.

There is not a single atom of Donald Trump that is not singularly focused on feeding his selfish ends.

Jessup was also competent. 

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8 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:


With all due respect, this is a childish opinion. And, I mostly agree with avoiding wedge issues. Where we differ is on the ease of running on fundamentals. But wedge issues dominate the cycle and do so spectacularly.

Fundamentals starts with campaign finance reform. Thats not an easy win, especially with the forces stacked up against it: SCOTUS, Congress, Foreign influences, and our own media (who sits at the trough).

Yes and no, I think there was another thread where the trans obsession is starting to backfire, its almost like people decided to vote for Trump based on their wallet and their wallet only. Let them waste money talking about irrelevant issues, meanwhile go meat and potatoes how you are going to do handouts for people that need it, Kamala could have won had she been singlemindedly populist from the start.

Campaign reform is just a bandaid at an even deeper level 40% of the population is in a fascist cult this means that Trump winning is a coin flip, this was a result of Fox News, Talk Radio and most distressing manosphere podcasts for children, Newsom's son with a feminist author is a 13 year old Charlie Kirk brainwashed moron. The next generation are joining the cult from very early age, Campaign reform is not fixing this.

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2 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

Agree with many of the recent points. Here is what I think the Democrats need to do. 

They need to focus on one theme over and over and over: the fact that Republicans are lying about everything. And attack their “news” sources relentlessly. 

And then point out fact via fiction over and over on every single issue, as a quick side note, not a main focus. 

Hammer the lying theme home for the next 3.5 years relentlessly, and nothing else. Forget the “working family” crap, “the rich paying their fair share”, and every other tired message that has failed to resonate.  Attack the root cause - the truth and lying.  Attack them. Don’t say things that can be attacked. Win the crowd. Win the election. Win the mid-terms.

Conversely, I disagree strongly with the strategy of ramping up the far left progressive messaging in an attempt to draw in new voters. Why? Because the election showed us that young people are more complicated than just wanting progressive government.  They’ve shown they also can be victims of disinformation. And important segments of those potential voters do have real concerns about the overstepping of the government for minorities, and other issues.  For example young professional white males need to be won too. Trump’s campaigning brilliance was saying things that appealed to every potential voting segment, including racists, nationalists, etc. While the Democrats shouldn’t lie like Trump, or target unsavory segments, they should also not alienate large voting segments.  

 

 

For me, corruption is the all-encompassing message.

Trump, his oligarch buddies, and a complicit GQP are rigging the country’s entire socioeconomic system against average Americans in plain sight. Frankly, it’s pretty fucking apparent and straightforward to point out with inumerable examples across the board. Plus, it doesn’t require a lot of higher thinking or complicated explanations. Finally, as a phenomenon, corruption doesn’t have an inherently liberal or conservative bias, and it’s not racially tinged or about any marginalized group.

Every ad, speech, or argument should begin with the thesis statement: “You are getting fucked by the most corrupt administration in US history.”

Then, follow up with umpteen examples based on the specific concerns of whichever audience is before you, whether it’s made up of old people (Medicare/Social Security), small businesses (tariffs/preferential tax breaks for megacorps), families (tax break for billionaires/environment and safety regulations) marginalized groups (they already know this), young people (education/student loans), etc.

Again, their corruption is widespread and out in the open, but Americans are too stupid or blinded by their hate to see how it hurts them. The gift is just sitting there, wrapped in a bow under the tree. Even if you have to grab, unwrap, and set it in their lap, do so.

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7 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

For me, corruption is the all-encompassing message.

Trump, his oligarch buddies, and a complicit GQP are rigging the country’s entire socioeconomic system against average Americans in plain sight. Frankly, it’s pretty fucking apparent and straightforward to point out with inumerable examples across the board. Plus, it doesn’t require a lot of higher thinking or complicated explanations. Finally, as a phenomenon, corruption doesn’t have an inherently liberal or conservative bias, and it’s not racially tinged or about any marginalized group.

Every ad, speech, or argument should begin with the thesis statement: “You are getting fucked by the most corrupt administration in US history.”

Then, follow up with umpteen examples based on the specific concerns of whichever audience is before you, whether it’s made up of old people (Medicare/Social Security), small businesses (tariffs/preferential tax breaks for megacorps), families (tax break for billionaires/environment and safety regulations) marginalized groups (they already know this), young people (education/student loans), etc.

Again, their corruption is widespread and out in the open, but Americans are too stupid or blinded by their hate to see how it hurts them. The gift is just sitting there, wrapped in a bow under the tree. Even if you have to grab, unwrap, and set it in their lap, do so.

Agree. 

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3 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

Agree with many of the recent points. Here is what I think the Democrats need to do. 

They need to focus on one theme over and over and over: the fact that Republicans are lying about everything. And attack their “news” sources relentlessly. 

And then point out fact via fiction over and over on every single issue, as a quick side note, not a main focus. 

Hammer the lying theme home for the next 3.5 years relentlessly, and nothing else. Forget the “working family” crap, “the rich paying their fair share”, and every other tired message that has failed to resonate.  Attack the root cause - the truth and lying.  Attack them. Don’t say things that can be attacked. Win the crowd. Win the election. Win the mid-terms.

Conversely, I disagree strongly with the strategy of ramping up the far left progressive messaging in an attempt to draw in new voters. Why? Because the election showed us that young people are more complicated than just wanting progressive government.  They’ve shown they also can be victims of disinformation. And important segments of those potential voters do have real concerns about the overstepping of the government for minorities, and other issues.  For example young professional white males need to be won too. Trump’s campaigning brilliance was saying things that appealed to every potential voting segment, including racists, nationalists, etc. While the Democrats shouldn’t lie like Trump, or target unsavory segments, they should also not alienate large voting segments.  

 

 

29 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

For me, corruption is the all-encompassing message.

Trump, his oligarch buddies, and a complicit GQP are rigging the country’s entire socioeconomic system against average Americans in plain sight. Frankly, it’s pretty fucking apparent and straightforward to point out with inumerable examples across the board. Plus, it doesn’t require a lot of higher thinking or complicated explanations. Finally, as a phenomenon, corruption doesn’t have an inherently liberal or conservative bias, and it’s not racially tinged or about any marginalized group.

Every ad, speech, or argument should begin with the thesis statement: “You are getting fucked by the most corrupt administration in US history.”

Then, follow up with umpteen examples based on the specific concerns of whichever audience is before you, whether it’s made up of old people (Medicare/Social Security), small businesses (tariffs/preferential tax breaks for megacorps), families (tax break for billionaires/environment and safety regulations) marginalized groups (they already know this), young people (education/student loans), etc.

Again, their corruption is widespread and out in the open, but Americans are too stupid or blinded by their hate to see how it hurts them. The gift is just sitting there, wrapped in a bow under the tree. Even if you have to grab, unwrap, and set it in their lap, do so.

Yes to both. Even if it doesn’t work, it’s still the truth. And I would rather go down screaming the truth than pretending what they (GOP included) are doing is just normal politics. Corrupt liars resonates and is the truth. Shout it to the rooftops. Fuck everything else. 

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2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yes to both. Even if it doesn’t work, it’s still the truth. And I would rather go down screaming the truth than pretending what they (GOP included) are doing is just normal politics. Corrupt liars resonates and is the truth. Shout it to the rooftops. Fuck everything else. 

 

Lies and corruption are all that Trump and this regime offer. It’s all out in the open for anyone to see, and it takes very little imagination or exaggeration to explain.

It’s a clear, concise message that should be easily comprehensible to the masses.

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On 5/16/2025 at 3:58 PM, Gatorubet said:

Until that changes, there is very little that the Democrats can do except wait for the GOP to run the country so far in the ground that they look for an alternative. 

This.  Nothing will change until Trump breaks his MAGA base and they develop the need to look elsewhere.  

6 hours ago, royiv said:

Can we get back to leopards eating faces and take the current discussion to the Democratic Party thread where it belongs?

Will this do?  I'm guessing people in KY and MO voted for Trump and don't believe in climate change and applaud Elon's DOGE boys cutting all the fat from government, like FEMA.

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11 hours ago, Horn Dog said:

Yup.  Trump is just a symptom.  This path has been set since Reagan and been going on for decades.  Pubs run on racism, hatred, and tax cuts for rich and exploding the defecit.

Yeah, the tax cuts for the rich and exploding the deficit began with Reagan. The racism and bigotry dates back to Barry Goldwater. Then it was Nixon who employed it successfully and it’s been a fixture ever since. 

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2 hours ago, Bullneck said:

This.  Nothing will change until Trump breaks his MAGA base and they develop the need to look elsewhere.  

Will this do?  I'm guessing people in KY and MO voted for Trump and don't believe in climate change and applaud Elon's DOGE boys cutting all the fat from government, like FEMA.

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Not sure of veracity, but I was watching some weather-youtube channels to see if my house was going to Oz tonight, and I heard something along the lines of "we can't guarantee the accuracy of this information because this service uses Starlink and the storm basically is blocking out the signal."  The internet we deserve.

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1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Then it was Nixon who employed it successfully and it’s been a fixture ever since.

Man, fuck that dude.

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Democrats are lacking  a sensationalist, bomb throwing,  truly funny mother fucker.   hell we’re completely devoid of humor in general.  
 

someone who pops off and talks massive shit while truly not giving the first fuck about who gets shrapneled would go a long way toward helping mass the troops, then they turn over the reigns to a get-shit-done “i know people who’ll make your ass disappear” mean ol’ fuck kinda like LBJ who happened to have a massive wand between his legs and who has left a giant trail of hot bitches in his wake would be ideal.  
 

where are those fellas, you ask?  well I’m right here and i am both.   
 

i alone can fix this.  

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2 hours ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

Democrats are lacking  a sensationalist, bomb throwing,  truly funny mother fucker.   hell we’re completely devoid of humor in general.  
 

someone who pops off and talks massive shit while truly not giving the first fuck about who gets shrapneled would go a long way toward helping mass the troops, then they turn over the reigns to a get-shit-done “i know people who’ll make your ass disappear” mean ol’ fuck kinda like LBJ who happened to have a massive wand between his legs and who has left a giant trail of hot bitches in his wake would be ideal.  
 

where are those fellas, you ask?  well I’m right here and i am both.   
 

i alone can fix this.  

Well, when you say it like that...I...wait, what?

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On 5/15/2025 at 7:32 AM, Biff Tannen said:

Senator Chris Murphy was saying how the brazen corruption of the AF1 nonsense is breaking through to voters.  I don't see it at all.  It will be forgotten next week.  

It's not that Americans are not seeing it. It's that even people who didn't vote for him do not care about that as a priority. Many have families and are doing all they can just to make it day-to-day. When your society functions like ours is currently it will either keep following the moron leading it off the cliff and into the ocean or it lets everything run its course. I think using history as a guide that this will be a hard fall and a massive rebuild of the country on every level. We will make it to the other side of all of this, but when or how is anyone's guess. Just know that regimes like this do not last. The collapse of them can be catastrophic, but we will make it through. It's the repairing all of the damage for the next 20-30 years just to get a reset with the rest of the world that will be the hardest.

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Democrats are lacking  a sensationalist, bomb throwing,  truly funny mother fucker.   hell we’re completely devoid of humor in general.  
 
someone who pops off and talks massive shit while truly not giving the first fuck about who gets shrapneled would go a long way toward helping mass the troops, then they turn over the reigns to a get-shit-done “i know people who’ll make your ass disappear” mean ol’ fuck kinda like LBJ who happened to have a massive wand between his legs and who has left a giant trail of hot bitches in his wake would be ideal.  
 
where are those fellas, you ask?  well I’m right here and i am both.   
 
i alone can fix this.  

You have my vote!
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3 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

It's not that Americans are not seeing it. It's that even people who didn't vote for him do not care about that as a priority. Many have families and are doing all they can just to make it day-to-day. When your society functions like ours is currently it will either keep following the moron leading it off the cliff and into the ocean or it lets everything run its course. I think using history as a guide that this will be a hard fall and a massive rebuild of the country on every level. We will make it to the other side of all of this, but when or how is anyone's guess. Just know that regimes like this do not last. The collapse of them can be catastrophic, but we will make it through. It's the repairing all of the damage for the next 20-30 years just to get a reset with the rest of the world that will be the hardest.

Fully agree. But it doesn’t have to happen like that. It’s all avoidable.  That’s what is so frustrating. This is completely self-inflicted. 



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