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10 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Didn’t really run - Was a weight man.

 

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Were you worried the camera was going to take your soul?

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16 minutes ago, Pokoloco said:

What from this makes you think that I don't care a child died?

My quoting your post in this thread, where you sarcastically imply that others don't care that a kid died, is a reminder of how fucking flippant and disrespectful you were about the root causes of another child's death discussed in that other thread.

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Posted (edited)

Where's the outrage by the Second Amendment folks? Are they funding his habeas petition? 

This kid has a clear constitutional right to carry a knife to protect himself. He stood his ground, which is the established policy of this state. 

I can't think of anything more Texan and more American than this. 

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18 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Where's the outrage by the Second Amendment folks? Are they funding his habeas petition? 

This kid has a clear constitutional right to carry a knife to protect himself. He stood his ground, which is the established policy of this state. 

I can't think of anything more Texan and more American than this. 

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1 hour ago, Bookman said:

Where's the outrage by the Second Amendment folks? Are they funding his habeas petition? 

This kid has a clear constitutional right to carry a knife to protect himself. He stood his ground, which is the established policy of this state. 

I can't think of anything more Texan and more American than this. 

I think the question is was Anthony looking for a fight?   There’s some info out there that says he escalated this.  
 

If I’m carrying a knife, gun, Billy club and I bait you into a fight to Sue said weapon on you then I’m not sure second amendment applies here.  
 

this has turned into an. Ugly situation as usual.  

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Where's the outrage by the Second Amendment folks? Are they funding his habeas petition? 
This kid has a clear constitutional right to carry a knife to protect himself. He stood his ground, which is the established policy of this state. 
I can't think of anything more Texan and more American than this. 

Did posting this make you feel better?
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Posted (edited)
26 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

I think the question is was Anthony looking for a fight?   There’s some info out there that says he escalated this.  
 

If I’m carrying a knife, gun, Billy club and I bait you into a fight to Sue said weapon on you then I’m not sure second amendment applies here.  
 

this has turned into an. Ugly situation as usual.  

Since this thread started out full cloak room, see Rittenhouse, et al, but we know why it wouldn’t apply here.

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19 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Sure were a lot of non-Memorial people in the tent or otherwise close enough to witness things.

Unless you were there, everything you think you know is no better than gossip. Now we have this list of 20+(?), 40+(?) supposed witnesses, a number that seems suspiciously large. There is no reason at all for this to be national news, except maybe to distract from the fact that everyone's retirement has been wiped out and the people without any money in the market will soon find that the buying power of their money is not half of what they thought it'd be. But I guess race agitation heals all wounds, including those inflicted by $80,000 Ford Fiestas.

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Posted
On 4/7/2025 at 7:30 PM, BurntEyes said:

How do you define national outrage?

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I just let End Wokeness define it for me, personally 

If he’s busy I ask Cat Turd or DC Drano 

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4 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Your hatred for Derka is blinding you into wading into totally unnecessary political territory. He was the messenger. I cannot fathom Derka being an End Wokeness proponent. 

All I've said in this thread is 1) there's two sides to every story, both are biased, and none of us know the full details, 2) bad actors on both sides of the political aisle twist information to push their preferred political worldview, and 3) it's a very tragic situation for all involved

3 eminently reasonable points that have absolutely nothing to do with Derka

And the post you quote is my response to someone who lumped me in with the "FREE POOR INNOCENT KARMELO!!!" crowd when the entire time I've said that side is just as biased and unreliable as the other side.

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8 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Reasonable points, but I know enough to know this kid is a murderer regardless of any other facts. 

The suspects own quote to police "he put his hands on me, I told him not to" tracks independent witness statements.  He didn't claim he was getting his ass kicked or strangled or any actual "self defense" with a deadly weapon, his statement indicates at most he was pushed/grabbed and he murdered a fellow student in response (with a knife he voluntarily brought to a fucking track meet).  The CR regulars can search high and low for nuance (per usual) but there isn't anything out there even suggesting this isn't cut and dry murder.

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34 minutes ago, Skipper said:

The suspects own quote to police "he put his hands on me, I told him not to" tracks independent witness statements.  He didn't claim he was getting his ass kicked or strangled or any actual "self defense" with a deadly weapon, his statement indicates at most he was pushed/grabbed and he murdered a fellow student in response (with a knife he voluntarily brought to a fucking track meet).  The CR regulars can search high and low for nuance (per usual) but there isn't anything out there even suggesting this isn't cut and dry murder.

The part that makes me madly skeptical of any defense is the fact the he brought a knife to a foot fight. 

Granted, it was ages ago, but never at any point during my HS sports life did I consider bringing a knife to any of my sporting events, and people got shot at some of the sporting events I attended. (Non that I played in)

That's the major clue that had me on a super heavy murder lean from the start. Add to it he was in the victims tent, and it just doesn't look good.

I've not heard the notes you pointed out about witness statements, but in fairness, I've not dug in any depth for details either.

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3 hours ago, Skipper said:

The suspects own quote to police "he put his hands on me, I told him not to" tracks independent witness statements.  He didn't claim he was getting his ass kicked or strangled or any actual "self defense" with a deadly weapon, his statement indicates at most he was pushed/grabbed and he murdered a fellow student in response (with a knife he voluntarily brought to a fucking track meet).  The CR regulars can search high and low for nuance (per usual) but there isn't anything out there even suggesting this isn't cut and dry murder.

I don't practice in Texas but seems to me there's an argument that can be made for manslaughter. Homicide laws actually do have quite a bit of nuance (per usual.) 

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5 hours ago, MotownHorn said:

All I've said in this thread is 1) there's two sides to every story, both are biased, and none of us know the full details, 2) bad actors on both sides of the political aisle twist information to push their preferred political worldview, and 3) it's a very tragic situation for all involved

3 eminently reasonable points that have absolutely nothing to do with Derka

And the post you quote is my response to someone who lumped me in with the "FREE POOR INNOCENT KARMELO!!!" crowd when the entire time I've said that side is just as biased and unreliable as the other side.

I haven't seen any of that here, the nuance is between whether it's a death penalty, life wo parole, or possibility of parole, and the possibility of self defense although I haven't seen any legitimate source reporting facts that would support that possibility. That sort of nuance isn't interesting to him, it's just murder and anyone who considers surrounding circumumstances for any reason is just being a woke librul "free karmelo" agitator. 

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This is where I fall - kid's going away for decades, the question is how many.  There's still a lot that will come out before the trial, and then after.  It's obviously getting a lot of attention in Frisco, so the information outlets are flowing.  It's a matter of sifting through it all to glean what is valid and what is just conjecture.  

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5 hours ago, Skipper said:

The suspects own quote to police "he put his hands on me, I told him not to" tracks independent witness statements.  He didn't claim he was getting his ass kicked or strangled or any actual "self defense" with a deadly weapon, his statement indicates at most he was pushed/grabbed and he murdered a fellow student in response (with a knife he voluntarily brought to a fucking track meet).  The CR regulars can search high and low for nuance (per usual) but there isn't anything out there even suggesting this isn't cut and dry murder.

You can count me as a far left CR regular.  IMO, Karmelo provoked him so that he can use his knife.  Karmelo needs to be in jail for the rest of his life

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38 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

You can count me as a far left CR regular.  IMO, Karmelo provoked him so that he can use his knife.  Karmelo needs to be in jail for the rest of his life

Damn. I have a hard time with that. We’re talking about a 17 year old kid without a fully developed prefrontal cortex. If he’s found guilty, I think he needs to do time, but I don’t think you lock him up and throw away the key. To be honest, I don’t know what the right sentence is and I’m glad it’s not my job to make those types of decisions about people’s lives. 

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13 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

The part that makes me madly skeptical of any defense is the fact the he brought a knife to a foot fight. 

Granted, it was ages ago, but never at any point during my HS sports life did I consider bringing a knife to any of my sporting events, and people got shot at some of the sporting events I attended. (Non that I played in)

That's the major clue that had me on a super heavy murder lean from the start. Add to it he was in the victims tent, and it just doesn't look good.

I've not heard the notes you pointed out about witness statements, but in fairness, I've not dug in any depth for details either.

When I was in middle school one random day they brought all the boys into the auditorium. They had officials at each of the exits. They told us if we came down and put any weapons on the table there would be no charges. However, If we got up and tried to leave with anything we would be in trouble. Kids were setting down all manner of weapons. I read the next day that close to 300 were confiscated. True story. That was a middle school. Color me not surprised a 17 year old has a weapon.

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On 4/7/2025 at 11:50 AM, Rex Kramer said:

Other kids absolutely do not hang out in tents. I’ve been to meets where I walk by and speak with my daughter. This past meet, run against several Frisco schools on the same day of this cowardly murder, I was asked to leave the side of the field where the athletes and their tents are. That parents weren’t allowed over there. I suspect the answer to your second statement is largely venue dependent. 

I’m not calling you a liar, but athletes absolutely do not hang out under the others’ tents. The statement is preposterous. 

Other kids do go and hang out in tents of other schools which is exactly why you have a watcher in the first place. My daughter's club volleyball teammates also run track at other schools. They will go look for each other and hang.

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When I swam in high school we were all the time in other teams tents or bleacher sections, you knew the other competitors and it was prime territory to meet girls.  
 

Never had a knife but always packed a big gun in the trunks tho. 

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Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, Thatguy said:

When I was in middle school one random day they brought all the boys into the auditorium. They had officials at each of the exits. They told us if we came down and put any weapons on the table there would be no charges. However, If we got up and tried to leave with anything we would be in trouble. Kids were setting down all manner of weapons. I read the next day that close to 300 were confiscated. True story. That was a middle school. Color me not surprised a 17 year old has a weapon.

Apparently he'd already been disciplined for carrying a knife on campus - which is this day, is a BIG problem.  The details will come out, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't suspended. He wasn't participating in the event.  That much seems to be clear.  

 

5 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Other kids do go and hang out in tents of other schools which is exactly why you have a watcher in the first place. My daughter's club volleyball teammates also run track at other schools. They will go look for each other and hang.

Other kids that they know, sure.  Other kids that are not competing, not in school gear, is a completely different matter  

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15 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

You can count me as a far left CR regular.  IMO, Karmelo provoked him so that he can use his knife.  Karmelo needs to be in jail for the rest of his life

Same county, 2015, two white 16 year olds were convicted of murdering a latino classmate at Wylie East because they didn’t like that he was dating a girl one of them liked. They had a whole detailed plan to ambush him in the woods, transport the body and bury it elsewhere. 
 

They were each sentenced to 30 years in prison, eligible for parole after 15. And they were even being charged as adults mind you. No big national story, no outrage, no End Wokeness retweets. But yeah let’s throw away this kid for life.

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6 hours ago, Thatguy said:

When I was in middle school one random day they brought all the boys into the auditorium. They had officials at each of the exits. They told us if we came down and put any weapons on the table there would be no charges. However, If we got up and tried to leave with anything we would be in trouble. Kids were setting down all manner of weapons. I read the next day that close to 300 were confiscated. True story. That was a middle school. Color me not surprised a 17 year old has a weapon.

I feel naked without a pocketknife on me and have for a long time, going back to high school.  I don't think carrying even a small knife was looked upon particularly favorably in my day, but it mostly depended on whether you flashed it around or not.  This was before the days of metal detectors and at one of the whitest hs in the state.

I likely would have been one of those depositing a knife on the table, unless I thought it would be confiscated.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I feel naked without a pocketknife on me and have for a long time, going back to high school.  I don't think carrying even a small knife was looked upon particularly favorably in my day, but it mostly depended on whether you flashed it around or not.  This was before the days of metal detectors and at one of the whitest hs in the state.

I likely would have been one of those depositing a knife on the table, unless I thought it would be confiscated.

Things and times are definitely different than our track meets in 1A in the 80’s. Our coach would ask to borrow a pocket knife to cut athletic tape, and would bitch about it if no one brought one. 
 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Apparently he'd already been disciplined for carrying a knife on campus - which is this day, is a BIG problem.  The details will come out, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't suspended. He wasn't participating in the event.  That much seems to be clear.  

 

Other kids that they know, sure.  Other kids that are not competing, not in school gear, is a completely different matter  

That will go for his defense. If he frequently had it on him and he knew someone in their tent then there goes the premeditated.

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10 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I feel naked without a pocketknife on me and have for a long time, going back to high school.  I don't think carrying even a small knife was looked upon particularly favorably in my day, but it mostly depended on whether you flashed it around or not.  This was before the days of metal detectors and at one of the whitest hs in the state.

I likely would have been one of those depositing a knife on the table, unless I thought it would be confiscated.

I grew up in rough areas. I always had something to defend myself with because I knew the dudes you had to worry about were carrying too.

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48 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Same county, 2015, two white 16 year olds were convicted of murdering a latino classmate at Wylie East because they didn’t like that he was dating a girl one of them liked. They had a whole detailed plan to ambush him in the woods, transport the body and bury it elsewhere. 
 

They were each sentenced to 30 years in prison, eligible for parole after 15. And they were even being charged as adults mind you. No big national story, no outrage, no End Wokeness retweets. But yeah let’s throw away this kid for life.

They pled out.  If he pleads guilty, he is probably looking at a similar sentence.

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6 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Other kids do go and hang out in tents of other schools which is exactly why you have a watcher in the first place. My daughter's club volleyball teammates also run track at other schools. They will go look for each other and hang.

Careful, you're gonna get shouted down that "I was referring to Frisco track meets only", which is not the case, but here we are.

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Careful, you're gonna get shouted down that "I was referring to Frisco track meets only", which is not the case, but here we are.

I mean it's self explanatory Jimmy. If other kids weren't coming to your tent why would you need a watcher? Logic is hard in 2025. Anywho, those track meets are where guys try to work their game on the girls. I am not saying the kid wasn't guilty, but said meet was at his school right? So not totally out of pocket for a kid to be cruising for some track girls. Everywhere we play volleyball most of the football and basketball boys are there trying to pick up the opposing volleyball girls. I was at a game this year and a ball bounced over by this group of boys. One of them said to my kid "let me put you on". My daughter laughed and asked "what are you a freshman?" to the roar of the group. Teenage boys are gonna teenage boy. Especially where there are fit girls in spandex.

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I get the sense that people from Austin and Houston are not able to grasp just how insular the communities and schools of Far North Texas are. I get the sense the watchers aren't there because teens are giggly and flirty with each other @Thatguy. These areas it's more likely there are watcher because they want make sure the kids zoned into their schools via apartments aren't stealing their things. 

I mean, the Fisco mascot was the Coons for the longest time and it was a running joke.

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1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

That will go for his defense. If he frequently had it on him and he knew someone in their tent then there goes the premeditated.

He didn't know anyone at that tent, and he certainly didn't know the victim.  Karmelo's parents stated that in a prepared statement.  Again, there were prior concerns of theft at these meets so the coaches had kids watch the tents during events.  

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57 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 One of them said to my kid "let me put you on". 

 

Is this a pickup line I should learn for the middle age divorced suburban mom dating market and if so WTF does it even mean?

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