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2 hours ago, troph said:

Jesus fucking Christ. The news is a flood, dead children, leadership that can’t fucking lead from the camp management to Kerr county to the state of Texas. It’s fucking news not my team your team.  
 

all separating this part out does is keep people from confronting facts. 

fucking snowflakes. 

 

those deaths are 99% on the mystic camp ownership/management team. noaa weather radio is a way to get updates. no adults were offsite / at home and getting weather updates ?  

where's the emergency action plan ?

they went to bed that night being ok with those cabins by the  river being full. someone just had to say, tell the kids to double up in the cabins off the river ?

i'll guess parents have to sign a hell of legal document. 

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Wrong.  He doesn't care about him.  Bonus, he's handicapped, so he cares even less than nothing.
 
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PRAYER. DOESN'T. WORK.

I'll let the Sack and his ilk connect the dots as to why.
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To be clear I’m kidding, @utee94 seems like a pretty good guy. But the leadership failure happening in this crisis situation is both appalling and newsworthy in the context of this tragedy. It really doesn’t seem political in the normal red/blue sense of the word. 
and, to be clear, I haven’t considered myself a Democrat since November of 2016.

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I have an easy solution for "Das Astros Fan in NBTX":  if you don't like Stefania's editorializing, don't watch KSAT News.

No, the snowflakes can’t do that. 

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37 minutes ago, tx ind said:

1994 was the last time a Democrat won a statewide race in this state.

We should have known of the coming downfall when "The Sign" by Ace of Base hit number one that year.

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3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I have an easy solution for "Das Astros Fan in NBTX":  if you don't like Stefania's editorializing, don't watch KSAT News.

 

fake astros fan, they didn't say 'fuck the rangers !' 

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8 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:


@utee94 this you?

There were no facts to report from the press conference, just fellating Dotard and each other, that was the point of her rant.

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3 minutes ago, tx ind said:

There were no facts to report from the press conference, just fellating Dotard and each other, that was the point of her rant.

You might say she DID report the facts.

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5 hours ago, Red Five said:

"President Trump loves Texans, and is deeply concerned for everyone and their families."

Yep sounds just like him alright. 

 

trump couldn't identify texas on a map 

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13 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

“Prayer matters. Prayers could have been the reason the waters stopped rising”

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I hate these fake religious fucks so much. Not having attended the camp but having heard that it's highly religious, I imagine those christian children prayed and prayed. They probably prayed someone with the state or county would arrive with help. Lotta good it did.  

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27 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

those deaths are 99% on the mystic camp ownership/management team. noaa weather radio is a way to get updates. no adults were offsite / at home and getting weather updates ?  

where's the emergency action plan ?

they went to bed that night being ok with those cabins by the  river being full. someone just had to say, tell the kids to double up in the cabins off the river ?

i'll guess parents have to sign a hell of legal document. 

I agree. I’d say though that redundancy is most important when planning for emergency preparedness. Here’s how I see the responsibility: 

- camp ownership and management - buck stops there - no way they should have had those campers in bed asleep at 1-2am.

- city and county leadership should know the vulnerable parts of the city and county and the moment government outlets rang the alarm bell city and county resources - as limited as they may be - needed to be activated. Get the patrol cars, fire trucks, any other vehicles out and clearing the areas. 

- I have no real blame for the state unless or except to the extent state representatives were mobilizing and not interacting with local leaders over night. The part about the state that pisses me off is the god almighty crap, thoughts and prayers, and if they lied about what was known and covered up negligence which I think they did.

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31 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Just a check in on how Kerr, Kendall, and Burnet counties all voted.

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My takeaway is that it's interesting the margin was 77% to 22% in all three counties.  

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Just now, ChiTownDoc said:

First RIP to all these poor victims.  I can’t imagine what their families are going through.  
 

Then I have to address the stupidity at the end of your post.  There’s 0.0% chance those clowns leave unless someone worse is on deck.  
 

We should have a debate about renaming that Guadalupe river soon enough though.  So there’s that…

And that’s the problem 

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1 minute ago, troph said:

I agree. I’d say though that redundancy is most important when planning for emergency preparedness. Here’s how I see the responsibility: 

- camp ownership and management - buck stops there - no way they should have had those campers in bed asleep at 1-2am.

- city and county leadership should know the vulnerable parts of the city and county and the moment government outlets rang the alarm bell city and county resources - as limited as they may be - needed to be activated. Get the patrol cars, fire trucks, any other vehicles out and clearing the areas. 

- I have no real blame for the state unless or except to the extent state representatives were mobilizing and not interacting with local leaders over night. The part about the state that pisses me off is the god almighty crap, thoughts and prayers, and if they lied about what was known and covered up negligence which I think they did.

I disagree. In my mind the blame lies with the state and local governments. Because - and here's the catch - ultimate responsibility lies with the parents. But it would be absurd for parents to individually inspect a camp's preparedness. We're a civilized country and we should be able to count on government to handle basic safety prep and preventive measures, or to ensure they're in place. Especially where it concerns 1,000 isolated children at a camp. 

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3 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

There’s 0.0% chance those clowns leave unless someone worse is on deck.  

I was ruminating on that as well, but just wondering what it must be like to have a lifetime job (well, I don't know if Texas has term limits) with a nice income and perks and all that whether you do anything at all or just nothing. No accountability, no consequences.  You just have to wear a tie sometimes.  

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1 minute ago, Chopper said:

I disagree. In my mind the blame lies with the state and local governments. Because - and here's the catch - ultimate responsibility lies with the parents. But it would be absurd for parents to individually inspect a camp's preparedness. We're a civilized country and we should be able to count on government to handle basic safety prep and preventive measures, or to ensure they're in place. Especially where it concerns 1,000 isolated children at a camp. 

We literally pay taxes to (in part) fund this kind of public safety infrastructure.

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1 minute ago, Chopper said:

Because - and here's the catch - ultimate responsibility lies with the parents. But it would be absurd for parents to individually inspect a camp's preparedness. We're a civilized country and we should be able to count on government to handle basic safety prep and preventive measures, or to ensure they're in place.

After Grenfel Tower I did some serious recalibration about how much I trust anyone's direction or advice in an emergency.  Some of those people could have gotten out if they hadn't followed direction to shelter in place.

After Uvalde and the story of the woman who was at one point handcuffed by the police, got them to remove the cuffs, then ran in and save her kids was another data point.  

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26 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I disagree. In my mind the blame lies with the state and local governments. Because - and here's the catch - ultimate responsibility lies with the parents. But it would be absurd for parents to individually inspect a camp's preparedness. We're a civilized country and we should be able to count on government to handle basic safety prep and preventive measures, or to ensure they're in place. Especially where it concerns 1,000 isolated children at a camp. 

Are you kidding ? A flood prone river with cabins literally feet from the banks. If I owned that camp I’d take EVERY rain event seriously and I’d be up making sure those campers were safe. Government is the fail safe and should come in to help but management and ownership did NOTHING until it was too late. They didn’t wake them up, they didn’t call first responders asking for help, NOTHING.

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1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

That was not was said, but it's better than what he said. 

 

No, you’re just a fucking idiot. As you have shown for literally years. 

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37 minutes ago, CycleTex87 said:

I’m a lifelong Republican and Presbyterian.  Been to MoRanch (PCUSA property) on FM 1340 west of Hunt umpteen times.  The failures of Greg “It could have been worse” Abbott  and the rest of the state level Republicans, including dipshits Dan Patrick and Ken Paxton makes me fucking furious.  Maybe this is the catalyst to change these fucksticks out. 

Each of the elected members you’re angry at will win their next election by double digits. Uvalde says way more than this 

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6 minutes ago, troph said:

Are you kidding ? A flood prone river with cabins literally feet from the banks. If I owned that camp I’d take EVERY rain event seriously and I’d be up making sure those campers were safe. Government is the fail safe and should come in to help but management and ownership did NOTHING until it was too late. They didn’t wake them up, they didn’t call first responders asking for help, NOTHING.

Both of these things are correct. 

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More than one asshat who says gulf of America died today. I’m here for it. Pick a side. 

this is where we are. One less for you is one more for me 

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2 hours ago, workswithseed said:

 

Is he republican? Is this representative of Christ to you?

Christ hates traitors and you. Hell is calling 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, CycleTex87 said:

Both of these things are correct. 

I said both are responsible but when you have custody of kids the buck stops with you - unless you need local resources once you alert local government of your need.

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42 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

We literally pay taxes to (in part) fund this kind of public safety infrastructure.

Those taxes were bravely and patriotically diverted towards lining the pockets of megadonors securing the border with no-bid contracts badly needed private sector solutions to build concentration camps increased capacity to process people we must ethnically cleanse criminal illegal aliens because nothing is more important than the Replacement Theory Joe Biden opened the border for four years.

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1 hour ago, CycleTex87 said:

I’m a lifelong Republican and Presbyterian.  Been to MoRanch (PCUSA property) on FM 1340 west of Hunt umpteen times.  The failures of Greg “It could have been worse” Abbott  and the rest of the state level Republicans, including dipshits Dan Patrick and Ken Paxton makes me fucking furious.  Maybe this is the catalyst to change these fucksticks out. 

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Each county in Texas can opt into a reverse 911 program.  This is an alert system that sends warnings throughout the county according to addresses.  But the problem is those Reverse 911 systems are linked solely to landlines.  

  • Kerr County currently uses a system called CodeRed, which operates like Reverse 911.

  • However, it only reaches registered landlines; cell phones and VOIP numbers must be manually signed up through the county portal people.com+8kerrvilletx.gov+8reddit.com+8.

  • That means standard cellphones were not automatically notified, unless someone had beforehand opted in.

 

  • Camp Mystic probably did have at least one operational landline, since reverse 911 focuses on those.

  • But if that landline was not registered in the county’s system—or was affected by power/water outages—it likely didn’t relay any alert.

  • Plus, once local systems like phones and internet went down during the flood, that lifeline likely failed.

 

 

  • No verified Reverse 911 call went out to residents around midnight on July 4.

  • The system depends on landline registration; cell phones don’t get alerts automatically.

  • If Camp Mystic had a landline—but it wasn’t registered or was down—they would have missed any alert.

  • Overall, this tragedy shines a glaring spotlight on the limitations and fragility of the current system—and the urgent need for more robust, multi-channel emergency alerts.

On top of that, how many remember in 2018 when the government set us a Wireless Alert System?  I assume that has also been defunded, since it's last one was in 2023.    I assume they could tailor WEA for target areas.  

 

So yes—and going forward, there are scheduled WEA tests via national broadcast networks.

 

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I am going to assume CodeRed is a cheaper alternative to Reverse 911 and the county didn't spend much money getting people to opt in.

 

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15 minutes ago, wood said:

fwiw ...

 

Agree with ole Troy. But I also layer in the state as well. The state licenses these camps. It is pretty obvious there were failures at Mystic, like lack of disaster preparedness, lack of communication, or just plain incompetence. A competent state government would revisit licensing rules and regulations specifically as it comes to disaster preparedness for sleepaway camps near bodies of water. But we all know the state is a bunch of fucking idiots, so nothing will change. 

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4 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

Each county in Texas can opt into a reverse 911 program.  This is an alert system that sends warnings throughout the county according to addresses.  But the problem is those Reverse 911 systems are linked solely to landlines.  

  • Kerr County currently uses a system called CodeRed, which operates like Reverse 911.

  • However, it only reaches registered landlines; cell phones and VOIP numbers must be manually signed up through the county portal people.com+8kerrvilletx.gov+8reddit.com+8.

  • That means standard cellphones were not automatically notified, unless someone had beforehand opted in.

 

  • Camp Mystic probably did have at least one operational landline, since reverse 911 focuses on those.

  • But if that landline was not registered in the county’s system—or was affected by power/water outages—it likely didn’t relay any alert.

  • Plus, once local systems like phones and internet went down during the flood, that lifeline likely failed.

 

 

  • No verified Reverse 911 call went out to residents around midnight on July 4.

  • The system depends on landline registration; cell phones don’t get alerts automatically.

  • If Camp Mystic had a landline—but it wasn’t registered or was down—they would have missed any alert.

  • Overall, this tragedy shines a glaring spotlight on the limitations and fragility of the current system—and the urgent need for more robust, multi-channel emergency alerts.

On top of that, how many remember in 2018 when the government set us a Wireless Alert System?  I assume that has also been defunded, since it's last one was in 2023.    I assume they could tailor WEA for target areas.  

 

So yes—and going forward, there are scheduled WEA tests via national broadcast networks.

 

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I am going to assume CodeRed is a cheaper alternative to Reverse 911 and the county didn't spend much money getting people to opt in.

 

So the county commissioners in 2016 debated putting in sirens and said nah?

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Watching a livestream, and there's a comment "God sent the floods"

That's a dipshit thing to say, and yet I'm certain people said that for Superstorm Sandy and again when people drowned in their basement apartments due to a similar tropical remnant torrent in 2021 (Hurricane Ida).

Supposing you were the sort of person to believe that natural disasters were a sign of God's wrath, what message would God be sending and to whom?

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Critical communication

On Friday, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick also said during a separate press event that TDEM Region 6 Assistant Chief Jay Hall “personally contacted the judges and mayors in that area and notified them all of potential flooding.” KXAN has requested record of that communication to verify that statement and its level of urgency.

“Yesterday morning, the message was sent,” Patrick added. “It is up to the local counties and mayors under the law to evacuate if they feel a need. That information was passed along.”

NWS issued a flash flood warning at 1:14 a.m. Friday for a portion of Kerr County – where the majority of flood-related deaths have been reported. But it would be at least four hours before any county or city government entity posted directions to evacuate on social media.

I’m on a Fourth of July trip to the Pacific Northwest in California, and I’ve only been following this sporadically. I’m not sure if this information is true, but it seems to me that this is not one of those “nobody could’ve possibly foreseen this” type tragedies.

As a scout leader for decades, I was always aware of weather events, I had a portable NOAA weather radar with me at all times set on auto emergency broadcast.    I have pissed off scouts that tried to set up tents in obvious rain drainage areas demanding they move, even if it would’ve meant just a wet tent - and not life-threatening wall of water.     

I do not understand not moving kids in cabins next to the river to higher ground once there is any chance of a  rain event greater than average.

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Just now, chainsaw said:

Watching a livestream, and there's a comment "God sent the floods"

That's a dipshit thing to say, and yet I'm certain people said that for Superstorm Sandy and again when people drowned in their basement apartments due to a similar tropical remnant torrent in 2021 (Hurricane Ida).

Supposing you were the sort of person to believe that natural disasters were a sign of God's wrath, what message would God be sending and to whom?

Let’s see. Republicans are running literally everything so

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