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San Jose state is not a total laughing stock as they were in the not so distant past.    I mean they did go into OT last year against OU’s new Savior of a QB when he was leading Washington St in the PAC 2.  But yea Sparty of San Jose shouldn’t be too much of an issue.    I think?   

 After yesterday I kind of wished we’d had played San Jose in game one and then Ohio State in game two much like we will next season when we open at home against Texas St and follow with the Buckeyes at home the following week.   I understand the thinking about playing the fellow top tier team in game one to potentially make a statement out of the gate or see where you stack up.  But on the other hand, the thinking about getting the rust out in a real game situation against an actual opponent is valid too.  Unfortunately in the college ranks unlike high school, you don’t have the opportunity to scrimmage in August against someone else so that’s why I’ve always like reserving week two for that marque game.   

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18 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

San Jose state is not a total laughing stock as they were in the not so distant past.    I mean they did go into OT last year against OU’s new Savior of a QB when he was leading Washington St in the PAC 2.  But yea Sparty of San Jose shouldn’t be too much of an issue.    I think?   

 After yesterday I kind of wished we’d had played San Jose in game one and then Ohio State in game two much like we will next season when we open at home against Texas St and follow with the Buckeyes at home the following week.   I understand the thinking about playing the fellow top tier team in game one to potentially make a statement out of the gate or see where you stack up.  But on the other hand, the thinking about getting the rust out in a real game situation against an actual opponent is valid too.  Unfortunately in the college ranks unlike high school, you don’t have the opportunity to scrimmage in August against someone else so that’s why I’ve always like reserving week two for that marque game.   

Yeah that was my ideal- decent group of 5 team (not Boise or something- but an 8-4 type program down there) and then big blue blood tilt.  Everyone probably is better served (including viewing public) by that

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26 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

San Jose state is not a total laughing stock as they were in the not so distant past.    I mean they did go into OT last year against OU’s new Savior of a QB when he was leading Washington St in the PAC 2.  But yea Sparty of San Jose shouldn’t be too much of an issue.    I think?   

 After yesterday I kind of wished we’d had played San Jose in game one and then Ohio State in game two much like we will next season when we open at home against Texas St and follow with the Buckeyes at home the following week.   I understand the thinking about playing the fellow top tier team in game one to potentially make a statement out of the gate or see where you stack up.  But on the other hand, the thinking about getting the rust out in a real game situation against an actual opponent is valid too.  Unfortunately in the college ranks unlike high school, you don’t have the opportunity to scrimmage in August against someone else so that’s why I’ve always like reserving week two for that marque game.   

San Jose St lost to Central Michigan 16-14 at home. We’re gonna beat the ever living fuck outta them. 
 

Sark needs to be a straight up asshole to Arch this next month. Really challenge him and the offense. We only have one more loss or we have to win the SEC. 

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27 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Yeah that was my ideal- decent group of 5 team (not Boise or something- but an 8-4 type program down there) and then big blue blood tilt.  Everyone probably is better served (including viewing public) by that

I actually like our non conference next year.  We got an up and coming Texas State who will be in the PAC 12 for what that is worth.  Then Buckeye followed by UTSA who has exceeded most expectations as a new program going into its second decade.  Moving forward I think you keep one of those two, a power 4 which we’ve already filled for the next four years with OSU, Michigan and Norte Dame and one of the group of fives.   I will bet my bottom dollar that Bama, Tennessee, UGA etc are going to keep a slot open for a cupcake like Austin Peay, Mercer, Tennessee-Martin, etc. and claim it’s a regional matchup or something to justify keeping it to pump up the not too engaged fans.  

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13 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

I actually like our non conference next year.  We got an up and coming Texas State who will be in the PAC 12 for what that is worth.  Then Buckeye followed by UTSA who has exceeded most expectations as a new program going into its second decade.  Moving forward I think you keep one of those two, a power 4 which we’ve already filled for the next four years with OSU, Michigan and Norte Dame and one of the group of fives.   I will bet my bottom dollar that Bama, Tennessee, UGA etc are going to keep a slot open for a cupcake like Austin Peay, Mercer, Tennessee-Martin, etc. and claim it’s a regional matchup or something to justify keeping it to pump up the not too engaged fans.  

Agreed. Next years schedule is going to be nuts. 
I suspect we will get, Texas state, Ohio state, UTSA, OU, aggy, Arkansas, LSU, bama, Auburn, TN, South Carolina or Missouri, and ole miss. 
maybe we get South Carolina and Missouri and miss bama since that happened recently. 
I think with Arch coming back we absolutely have Ole Miss, LSU and TN on the schedule since we’ve missed them recently. I hope it’s Mizzou we miss as we’ve played them plenty and there is no “newness” associated with it while there is also no historical importance to the game. 

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59 minutes ago, RabidM said:

Can we please use 2 punt returners?  How many times do we have to see punts not get fielded and lose tons of yardage? 

Niblett is scared to field punts. He muffed several in scrimmage situations in camp, per several people who would know.

I don't know why he is back there.

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1 minute ago, Hookem2147 said:

Niblett is scared to field punts. He muffed several in scrimmage situations in camp, per several people who would know.

I don't know why he is back there.

Because Banks is an idiot 

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Niblett is scared to field punts. He muffed several in scrimmage situations in camp, per several people who would know.
I don't know why he is back there.

I was pretty surprised that wasn’t Moore returning punts. He must have been too busy being a complete non-factor on offense.
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San Jose State has a returning QB (Walker Eget) and runs a unique offense with a lot of quick passes. Eget was only sacked 5 times last year on 328 pass attempts. They can't run the ball at all.

Their defense got gutted in the portal, and their special teams sucks (missed two FGs with a lefty kicker to lose the Central Michigan game, one of them was a chip shot). 

I'll say we win something like 48-10.

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2 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

San Jose State has a returning QB (Walker Eget) and runs a unique offense with a lot of quick passes. Eget was only sacked 5 times last year on 328 pass attempts. They can't run the ball at all.

Their defense got gutted in the portal, and their special teams sucks (missed two FGs with a lefty kicker to lose the Central Michigan game, one of them was a chip shot). 

I'll say we win something like 48-10.

If they run ball control, possession passing we won’t have enough possessions to score 48 with our lack of speed on offense.  Lack of explosive plays will be an issue for us all year.  35-10.

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Well, OP pretty much said it.  We’ve got a solid month (3 games & a BYE week) that offers zero opportunity to measure and assess this team’s much needed progression after their week 1 performance, granted it was week 1…..on the road….against a defending champion top ranked team.  San Jose State, UTEP, & Sam Houston State are what they are so pretty much nothing can be gleamed by performances in those games.  That next opportunity will come the first week of October at The Swamp.  It’s easy, and appropriate, to consider that repeatedly we’ve seen team quality week 1 to week 2 historically jump considerably.  It’s also true that something was very wrong with the offense in The Shoe yesterday be that the shortcomings of a still inexperienced starting QB under enormous pressure, a coaching staff that stuck to a conservative game plan too long, or possibly even that our starting WR group has taken a step back compared to the heavily transfer portal-fed groups the past couple of years.  There are a lot of possibilities to consider, but for now all we can do is wait for the SEC schedule. Right now I see a lot of possible futures on the table, and they are all over the map from outright disaster to early growing pains give way to true contender.  But though we all like to opine, some quite strongly, none of us know a damn thing what to expect anymore than we did at 11am Saturday afternoon in Columbus. But these next few weeks……don’t get too high and don’t get too low. 

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Yesterday was a disaster and we couldn't even complete simple pitch and catches, but writing off our explosiveness is silly. 

I think(hope?) yesterday's game was an aberration, but we're fortunate to have 3 easy games in September to get things right. IMO we should go pass heavy and keep RB room fresh and healthy for conference play. No need for Baxter or Wisner to have lots of carries in these non-conference games. 

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

San Jose State has a returning QB (Walker Eget) and runs a unique offense with a lot of quick passes. Eget was only sacked 5 times last year on 328 pass attempts. They can't run the ball at all.

Their defense got gutted in the portal, and their special teams sucks (missed two FGs with a lefty kicker to lose the Central Michigan game, one of them was a chip shot). 

I'll say we win something like 48-10.

Good call, we're 37.5 point favorites. 

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42 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Niblett is scared to field punts. He muffed several in scrimmage situations in camp, per several people who would know.

I don't know why he is back there.

To that end, anyone else surprised to see Baxter on kickoff returns? That was a huge wtf moment for me and it was the first play of the game. If only I knew what was to follow...

 

 

Random things I'd like to see over the next 3 weeks:

We joked about not needing a FG kicker because we were only scoring TDs all Offseason, but can we get at least an idea of how good our transfer kicker is/ where his limitations are.  We'll need to know later in the season. 

Starting LG. I'm not buying that moving Neto to LT opened Flood and other coaches eyes to Stroh's progression. Stroh looked fine yesterday, but besides Baker's false starts, most OL problems I saw were on the left side. 

More rotation in the RB room. Did Clark or Gibson even see the field yesterday? We need to keep Wisner and Baxter fresh for the season ahead. 

Tre Moore. Where was he at? It seemed like we kept 5 DBs out there all game, even though there were plenty of plays where the offense had less than 3 receivers on the field. 

Groupings of DT. Aside from the Tate TD, the defense overall played great yesterday. Still, I thought we would've put more pressure on Sayin than we did. Osu had a tough time running the ball, maybe figuring out the best combinations of tackles that will complement each other will help in pass rush. 

No more designed QB runs. Like, seriously, what in the ever living fuck? When he was first hired, Sark said his running game is for the RBs, not the QB. I didn't mind the goal line call, if it had been in 12 personnel and not over the middle. But there seemed to have been plays that weren't just Arch scrambling. 

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15 hours ago, Nueces River Rat said:

San Jose state is not a total laughing stock as they were in the not so distant past.    I mean they did go into OT last year against OU’s new Savior of a QB when he was leading Washington St in the PAC 2.  But yea Sparty of San Jose shouldn’t be too much of an issue.    I think?   

 After yesterday I kind of wished we’d had played San Jose in game one and then Ohio State in game two much like we will next season when we open at home against Texas St and follow with the Buckeyes at home the following week.   I understand the thinking about playing the fellow top tier team in game one to potentially make a statement out of the gate or see where you stack up.  But on the other hand, the thinking about getting the rust out in a real game situation against an actual opponent is valid too.  Unfortunately in the college ranks unlike high school, you don’t have the opportunity to scrimmage in August against someone else so that’s why I’ve always like reserving week two for that marque game.   

SJSU lost to a Central Michigan team that threw 11 passes and outrushed them by more than 3x (236-75). Offensively, they did throw for 308 but it took them 45 attempts at 53% completion.

This is a bad team that should not score on the Texas first team defense. Hopefully they will rotate lots of young guys and get out of there healthy. I'm sure everyone will be stoked about a bounceback game from Arch but I doubt there will be anything to take from the next three games on that front. Of course he'll feel more comfortable and play cleaner.

 

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Yall say the next 3 weeks don’t mean shit. But they mean everything because this offense Looked like it hasn’t touched a field in a year yesterday.  
 

if we aren’t mopping the fucking floor talking 45-0 type shit we are in trouble. If we are 28-0 26-13 type bullshit we are super fucked. We need to be hanging 40 plus the next 3 weeks so everyone can rep rep rep rep until it’s muscle memory. Yesterdays bullshit looking fucking offense reminded me too much of 2010 when our lord and savior Gatorade all world Garret Gilbert struggled and our offense looked like shit 

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4 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Yall say the next 3 weeks don’t mean shit. But they mean everything because this offense Looked like it hasn’t touched a field in a year yesterday.  
 

if we aren’t mopping the fucking floor talking 45-0 type shit we are in trouble. If we are 28-0 26-13 type bullshit we are super fucked. We need to be hanging 40 plus the next 3 weeks so everyone can rep rep rep rep until it’s muscle memory. Yesterdays bullshit looking fucking offense reminded me too much of 2010 when our lord and savior Gatorade all world Garret Gilbert struggled and our offense looked like shit 

We're going to. I'm ripping this from Scipio/Wadlington, but football is pass/fail. What was on the field yesterday would absolutely be enough to wax SJSU 56-3 or whatever. Plenty of shitty Mack/Strong/Herman teams and Sark's 2021 team managed to run up outsized margins against lesser opponents. We've already seen Arch Manning do so with many of the same flaws he exhibited yesterday. You can get away with things against SJSU, UTEP, and SHSU that you can't against Ohio State.

Fuck it's going to be a long month lol

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We can definitely learn things the next three weeks, but not many of them would be good.

If Arch presses to make up for a shit outing and struggles to look good against the next few teams it’s gonna be a long season.

Not saying it’s likely, and certainly hoping for a get right performance this weekend.

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18 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I'd rather play and lose a game like yesterday 11 times out of 10 then this dreck we have on our scheudule.

Eh. I do actually enjoy watching our team beat the shit outta pansies. It's... less stressful.

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If you want to get an idea of the tape on that performance. From his viewing of the All 22 and game film it seems the problems were Arch's uncharacteristic poor mechanics, Arch pressing and not processing and releasing quick enough, and Sark being way too damn predictable. Last season after Georgia stomped the offense in Austin several Georgia players said they knew what was coming based on film. This makes it clear OSU knew the same things. If Sark doesn't start changing things up a lot more, and putting in things to punish teams for sitting on his normal stuff, this offense will struggle against well coached defenses with top level talent. 

 

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8 hours ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Yall say the next 3 weeks don’t mean shit. But they mean everything because this offense Looked like it hasn’t touched a field in a year yesterday.  
 

if we aren’t mopping the fucking floor talking 45-0 type shit we are in trouble. If we are 28-0 26-13 type bullshit we are super fucked. We need to be hanging 40 plus the next 3 weeks so everyone can rep rep rep rep until it’s muscle memory. Yesterdays bullshit looking fucking offense reminded me too much of 2010 when our lord and savior Gatorade all world Garret Gilbert struggled and our offense looked like shit 

Dude. It’s an existential certainty we are going to beat the shit out of these teams. This roster is way too good not to. It will teach us nothing. 

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I need to see Arch process like a third year in the system player vs a true freshman. 

Also at some point the inability to get a yard when needed via OL push has to get Flood questioned. He loves these huge OL but when it counts they get their shit pushed in. 

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Just now, David Dennison said:

It's good practice.

Repetition, repetition, repetition against 3 other defenses.

I ain’t looking to take away anything from the next 3 games except seeing Arch get on the same page with his receivers and into a rhythm that will go into SEC play. 

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My concern level is

1. sark playcalling(mainly red zone)

2. No number 1 wr or wr speed from what we saw with no separation 

3. arch.

i have zero concerns for the defense. They are elite and will carry this team. Offense just needs to produce 21-28 a game(in big games) and this team runs the table.

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