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Charlie Kirk assassinated at an event in Utah (by a 22 YO groyper)


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Posted
1 hour ago, bolverk said:

Here's some context:
A veiled threat to stone transpeople by justifying it through the Old Testament, while criticizing someone for being tolerant of transpeople who justify their tolerance from the New Testament Christ's command to love your neighbor as yourself. Then, the second post where he angrily shouts to that audience that someone is an abomination to God.

These aren't soundbites with short clips taken out of context. Maybe -phobe is the wrong suffix, but then again, fear is at the heart of hate. And Kirk clearly hated transpeople.

 


oh he went after Ms Rachel??

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There it is. The narrative is official before showing the American people any definitive evidence. 

They take advantage of your grace or patience or belief in the truth. We can't prove them wrong, so they can say whatever they want. The propaganda regime is fully operational. 

 

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, coachherman'sgrill said:

To quote some others in this thread who have said its horrible to celebrate his death. My question is why are we celebrating his life? The one dude he keeps saying post a video or whatever of what he did wrong, I ask you, sir, post something he did that was good.

I think for many young conservatives, he taught them to have courage to stand up for what they believe in and to fight for your values. He engaged in discourse with those that have opposing viewpoints in a public manner (most of the time in settings that are less than welcoming to conservative viewpoints) rather than from behind a keyboard or on edited cable news.  I'm sure you'd agree that his values and ideologies are challenged by many, and publicly expressing and defending those viewpoints takes courage, even if you don't agree with them. I would also argue amongst his followers he also instilled a sense of purpose in young people emphasizing marriage, family, faith, personal responsibility and yes, patriotism. And in a time where half the country calls most conservatives fascist, this dude went about it the right way through open discussion. Ironically, instead of silencing him, assassinating the man in front of his wife and kids and thousands of students will make his message that much more popular amongst young voters. 

I don't think the man deserves a national holiday, but every generation seems to have a watershed sort of event (JFK, MLK, Challenger Explosion, 9/11 etc.) that forever changes them. I think this will be one of those events for this generation even if he isn't celebrated individually. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

I think for many young conservatives, he taught them to have courage to stand up for what they believe in and to fight for your values. He engaged in discourse with those that have opposing viewpoints in a public manner (most of the time in settings that are less than welcoming to conservative viewpoints) rather than from behind a keyboard or on edited cable news.  I'm sure you'd agree that his values and ideologies are challenged by many, and publicly expressing and defending those viewpoints takes courage, even if you don't agree with them. I would also argue amongst his followers he also instilled a sense of purpose in young people emphasizing marriage, family, faith, personal responsibility and yes, patriotism. And in a time where half the country calls most conservatives fascist, this dude went about it the right way through open discussion. Ironically, instead of silencing him, assassinating the man in front of his wife and kids and thousands of students will make his message that much more popular amongst young voters. 

I don't think the man deserves a national holiday, but every generation seems to have a watershed sort of event (JFK, MLK, Challenger Explosion, 9/11 etc.) that forever changes them. I think this will be one of those events for this generation even if he isn't celebrated individually. 

Thank you for your thoughtful reply! We are going to have to just agree to disagree. 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

I think for many young conservatives, he taught them to have courage to stand up for what they believe in and to fight for your values. He engaged in discourse with those that have opposing viewpoints in a public manner (most of the time in settings that are less than welcoming to conservative viewpoints) rather than from behind a keyboard or on edited cable news.  I'm sure you'd agree that his values and ideologies are challenged by many, and publicly expressing and defending those viewpoints takes courage, even if you don't agree with them. I would also argue amongst his followers he also instilled a sense of purpose in young people emphasizing marriage, family, faith, personal responsibility and yes, patriotism. And in a time where half the country calls most conservatives fascist, this dude went about it the right way through open discussion. Ironically, instead of silencing him, assassinating the man in front of his wife and kids and thousands of students will make his message that much more popular amongst young voters. 

I don't think the man deserves a national holiday, but every generation seems to have a watershed sort of event (JFK, MLK, Challenger Explosion, 9/11 etc.) that forever changes them. I think this will be one of those events for this generation even if he isn't celebrated individually. 

I have yet to see any evidence of any of this

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Posted
38 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Do you need a tissue?

Nope, perfectly fine. You can be as big of a cunt as you want to be, if that’s your prerogative. Enjoy America. 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

There it is. The narrative is official before showing the American people any definitive evidence. 

They take advantage of your grace or patience or belief in the truth. We can't prove them wrong, so they can say whatever they want. The propaganda regime is fully operational. 

 

 

The probability of any resurrected manifesto not being in line with turnip’s statement is zero point zero.

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Posted (edited)
19 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

I think for many young conservatives, he taught them to have courage to stand up for what they believe in and to fight for your values. He engaged in discourse with those that have opposing viewpoints in a public manner (most of the time in settings that are less than welcoming to conservative viewpoints) rather than from behind a keyboard or on edited cable news.  I'm sure you'd agree that his values and ideologies are challenged by many, and publicly expressing and defending those viewpoints takes courage, even if you don't agree with them. I would also argue amongst his followers he also instilled a sense of purpose in young people emphasizing marriage, family, faith, personal responsibility and yes, patriotism. And in a time where half the country calls most conservatives fascist, this dude went about it the right way through open discussion. Ironically, instead of silencing him, assassinating the man in front of his wife and kids and thousands of students will make his message that much more popular amongst young voters. 

I don't think the man deserves a national holiday, but every generation seems to have a watershed sort of event (JFK, MLK, Challenger Explosion, 9/11 etc.) that forever changes them. I think this will be one of those events for this generation even if he isn't celebrated individually. 

wow, this is really shitty fanfic. he did literally none of this. what has been cataloged over the last 80+ pages is his vitriol, hate, trolling, and general disdain and disregard for anyone not cis, white, and xtian. he died literally being a troll. he was asked a question about trans shooters (which should have been a layup for him) and he decided to make it about race and gang violence as some kind of gotcha. That was his whole platform and agenda. I'm certainly open to the idea that his intentions were initially to do what is purported above, but all of the evidence of my eyes and ears say he was a hate-mongering asshole. did he deserve to die so publicly and suddenly? no. did he put himself in the position that was a distinct possibility? absolutely. hence why he was wearing body armor.

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Posted (edited)
59 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

That’s incorrect. See previous 80 pages. 

I didn't see anybody in the past 80 pages saying otherwise. Plenty of people I don't like I don't want to be killed. Especially because this dude was still young, he might have come around eventually. It was just a tragic deal.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Translation:  He gave permission to impressionable young minds to hate and to crawl further into a conservative silo. 

I have to laugh at the idea of "open discourse."  Have you watched any of his "debates?"  Do you understand what is really happening there?

Yeah those debates were not exactly honest discussions. But we all kept talking to him anyway. Not that we get much credit for that.

Posted
1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

No. He taught them to be raging bigots, and that it's okay to say vile, racist shit to people. Proof? My daughter is now in another state because she could not take the racism at her school. We've already been in the news once recently for bullying a middle school kid through racist texts. So she is left to finish her senior year elsewhere. Her hispanic friend told us kids at school thought it was funny to tell her they were going to call ICE on her even though her family has been here for generations and her dad is an MIT grad. These are your church going conservative kids that Kirk is grooming. 

It comes down to this:

Charlie Kirk declared war on marginalized people.

But now that he's dead, according to the media, he only "stood for what he believed in."

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

I didn't see anybody in the past 80 pages saying otherwise. Plenty of people I don't like I don't want to be killed. Especially because this dude was still young, he might have come around eventually. It was just a tragic deal.

Unreal. 

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Posted

Not every death is tragic. All lives are not of equal value. We kill enemies all the time. Life is cheap.

Fuck the amoral and malign for projecting their wickedness on everybody else.

Alas, a country is what it embraces.

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Posted
35 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

I think for many young conservatives, he taught them to have courage to stand up for what they believe in and to fight for your values. He engaged in discourse with those that have opposing viewpoints in a public manner (most of the time in settings that are less than welcoming to conservative viewpoints) rather than from behind a keyboard or on edited cable news.  I'm sure you'd agree that his values and ideologies are challenged by many, and publicly expressing and defending those viewpoints takes courage, even if you don't agree with them. I would also argue amongst his followers he also instilled a sense of purpose in young people emphasizing marriage, family, faith, personal responsibility and yes, patriotism. And in a time where half the country calls most conservatives fascist, this dude went about it the right way through open discussion. Ironically, instead of silencing him, assassinating the man in front of his wife and kids and thousands of students will make his message that much more popular amongst young voters. 

I don't think the man deserves a national holiday, but every generation seems to have a watershed sort of event (JFK, MLK, Challenger Explosion, 9/11 etc.) that forever changes them. I think this will be one of those events for this generation even if he isn't celebrated individually. 

You're just gonna ignore the examples I provided for you after you asked for them and continue to post bullshit? 


 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Covri said:

You're just gonna ignore the examples I provided for you after you asked for them and continue to post bullshit? 


 

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23 minutes ago, mchookem said:

these guys are kind of breaking my heart 💔

 

jesse is great

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Posted
58 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

I think for many young conservatives, he taught them to have courage to stand up for what they believe in and to fight for your values.

Unfortunately, too many of the values they are fight for are rooted in hate. See: transphobia, homophobia, misogyny, and, of course, racism.

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14 minutes ago, Covri said:

You're just gonna ignore the examples I provided for you after you asked for them and continue to post bullshit? 


 

He already said he thinks those things he said were valid, so he agrees they are good points. That's all you need to know about his thought on this topic.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Enchubben said:

I think for many young conservatives, he taught them to have courage to stand up for what they believe in and to fight for your values. He engaged in discourse with those that have opposing viewpoints in a public manner (most of the time in settings that are less than welcoming to conservative viewpoints) rather than from behind a keyboard or on edited cable news.  I'm sure you'd agree that his values and ideologies are challenged by many, and publicly expressing and defending those viewpoints takes courage, even if you don't agree with them. I would also argue amongst his followers he also instilled a sense of purpose in young people emphasizing marriage, family, faith, personal responsibility and yes, patriotism. And in a time where half the country calls most conservatives fascist, this dude went about it the right way through open discussion. Ironically, instead of silencing him, assassinating the man in front of his wife and kids and thousands of students will make his message that much more popular amongst young voters. 

I don't think the man deserves a national holiday, but every generation seems to have a watershed sort of event (JFK, MLK, Challenger Explosion, 9/11 etc.) that forever changes them. I think this will be one of those events for this generation even if he isn't celebrated individually. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, GreenspointTexas said:

What kinda sweetheart deal they gonna give Robinson to come out and say hes a hardcore brain-washed left winger?

If they want the death penalty, there won't be any deal.

Posted
1 minute ago, GreenspointTexas said:

What kinda sweetheart deal they gonna give Robinson to come out and say hes a hardcore brain-washed left winger?

They're gonna give him that sweet Ashli Babbit money, set him up in a cush little country club "prison" with Ghilaine Maxwell and then not too far in the future, Trump will pardon him for "the good of the country." Robinson will have done his job -- let Trump/MAGA milk Charlie Kirk's death for political purposes AND pin it on "radical lefties."

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Posted (edited)
43 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Unreal. 

Ok...it wasn't a tragic deal somebody was gunned down in cold blood? What is the appropriate take you are looking for? 

Anyway try having a real conversation instead of just coming in ready to be a belligerent dick.

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Enchubben said:

I don't think the man deserves a national holiday, but every generation seems to have a watershed sort of event (JFK, MLK, Challenger Explosion, 9/11 etc.) that forever changes them. I think this will be one of those events for this generation even if he isn't celebrated individually. 

Bro. If only.

Seems like we have an incident like this every couple months. But here is hoping this is a watershed that ends political violence. Everybody isn't exactly talking like that though.

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Posted
4 hours ago, Zeus said:

If someone who mocked an assassination later acted violently, and the institution had done nothing, they could be sued for negligence.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, C-Man said:

They're gonna give him that sweet Ashli Babbit money, set him up in a cush little country club "prison" with Ghilaine Maxwell and then not too far in the future, Trump will pardon him for "the good of the country." Robinson will have done his job -- let Trump/MAGA milk Charlie Kirk's death for political purposes AND pin it on "radical lefties."

No fucking way. If he doesn’t go with the “I’m a trans leftist liberal” they are gonna Jack Ruby him so fast. Then the govt will say it was a liberal who took him out because libs didn’t want the truth about just how liberal he was to come out in court. 

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3 minutes ago, MrBig said:

No fucking way. If he doesn’t go with the “I’m a trans leftist liberal” they are gonna Jack Ruby him so fast. Then the govt will say it was a liberal who took him out because libs didn’t want the truth about just how liberal he was to come out in court. 

Also possible.

Posted
18 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

What kinda sweetheart deal they gonna give Robinson to come out and say hes a hardcore brain-washed left winger?

If his attorney is actually advocating for him, that’s exactly the route they should go.  

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Posted
1 minute ago, Ted Lange said:

If his attorney is actually advocating for him, that’s exactly the route they should go.  

At this point in history, it might arguably be legal malpractice if his attorney does NOT advise him to follow that path.

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

If his attorney is actually advocating for him, that’s exactly the route they should go.  

And then he should recant said liberalism, fall back in line with "core MAGA values," and start a podcast from prison.

Merch will sell itself.

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not guilty by reason of insanity, caused by wicked leftist.   They’d either need to allow it or admit that how violent “the left” are actually has no effect, despite decades of arguing the opposite. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Valmy77 said:

Yeah those debates were not exactly honest discussions. But we all kept talking to him anyway. Not that we get much credit for that.

huh, kinda like everybody keeps trying to talk to Enchubben lol

these people are just gone. and with them everything America tried to pretend it was for 250 years.

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Posted
59 minutes ago, G650 said:

That is an absolutely insane position, and the fact that you "kinda' agree with it is basically the reason I have zero hope this country ever heals.

Agreed. The people who even now, after claiming to review the blatant examples of hate from Charlie Kirk, still don't see anything wrong with it... align and believe what he said is true. Same with Trump, JD Vance and their administration, Abbott, Paxton, Patrick etc. I'd have hope this country could heal as well, but the minority in charge is breaking the rules to the game to stay in power. This shutting down free speech in many cases, for anyone simply quoting the hateful words Kirk said, is again another push to see how much further they can continue to go towards authoritarianism. 

Posted
10 hours ago, Enchubben said:

I’m willing to listen to others and reconsider my opinion of Kirk if people can point to specific things he has done or said that make him a bad person. I just haven’t seen anything that indicates that.

You are a fucking idiot. Post less.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

No. He taught them to be raging bigots, and that it's okay to say vile, racist shit to people. Proof? My daughter is now in another state because she could not take the racism at her school. We've already been in the news once recently for bullying a middle school kid through racist texts. So she is left to finish her senior year elsewhere. Her hispanic friend told us kids at school thought it was funny to tell her they were going to call ICE on her even though her family has been here for generations and her dad is an MIT grad. These are your church going conservative kids that Kirk is grooming. 

...and i know i can afford to be flippant, but i really, really feel for y'all with children. seriously. i'm just incredibly sorry we are where/what we are. i cannot even imagine the grief and stress of having to worry about my child's future in the face of all this. 💔

Posted
1 hour ago, Texasborn91 said:

You can be as big of a cunt as you want to be, if that’s your prerogative. Enjoy America. 

No you can't.  You have to act the way Maga lets you act.

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Yeah sounds like you will lose your job or be expelled from school. Cancel culture.

21 minutes ago, SpiralOut said:

Turns out that Charlie Kirk was such a sweet and wonderful guy that even the Russians are sad he's gone.  

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The Democrat Ideology? I wonder what that might be.

Do what our donors want while paying lip service to our voters.



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