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12 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

I’ve had several recent conversations with friends who are falling into the same trap as Bozo. “My rational, educated buddies want to support Democrats, but can’t bring themselves to do it because of [insert anti-woke propagandist canard of the week].”

The problem isn’t Democrats. The problem is your friends are fucking stupid. Stop indulging them. Stop being polite. Lead. Help them understand that what they’re hearing and seeing is bullshit propaganda designed to have them doing exactly what they’re doing: staying on the sidelines while fascists take control. 

Yep. These people are fucking with you. 

Lead, be authentic, don't cross the line in the sand, and embrace them into the fold whenever that day comes. 

 

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46 minutes ago, 'stache said:

This is fucking stunning to me. “Politicians talking policy is part of the problem.” I mean I don’t disagree considering the audience (ie the American electorate) but still. “We have concepts of a plan” was said by the victor during the campaign. Again, stunning.

 

9 minutes ago, 'stache said:

She had my vote in the primary precisely because she talked policy and how to correct some of the excesses of American capitalism.

Look, I dig that shit, too, but I'm also a subscriber to The Atlantic and even read the articles in Playboy when I was still in the throes of adolescence.  

My point is that the Democrats have gotten tricked into thinking they can policy their way into an electoral majority.  "If we pass the programs that people say they want, they will vote for more of it."  Either that shit doesn't work or it requires a superior communication strategy to sell it and putting that together is more challenging than getting the program passed.  

 

1 hour ago, Nivek said:

The bitcoin thing is silly.  It needs to be regulated, the pump/dump or rug pulls common in crypto scams are hurting younger folks and they need protection from their own gullibility.

Forget the ethics of it, the cold reality is that it's popular amongst a certain group of voters, some of whom poured money into the Trump campaign in a quid pro quo appeal for light (or no) regulation with the most transactional and corrupt President in our life time.  A smart politician shouldn't be picking fights unless it's VERY intentional.  

You can't forever stand on principle on this if that loses elections.  At least for me, I'm not interested in being the most noble person in an authoritarian state.  

Here's the transcript of an Ezra Klein interview that narrates how the crypto industry went from being unaffiliated to activated in favor of Trump.  

Joe Biden is president. Gary Gensler is his S.E.C. chair. Gensler is a huge crypto skeptic. He wants crypto regulated as securities, for the most part, which crypto people hate.

 

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18 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

 

Look, I dig that shit, too, but I'm also a subscriber to The Atlantic and even read the articles in Playboy when I was still in the throes of adolescence.  

My point is that the Democrats have gotten tricked into thinking they can policy their way into an electoral majority.  "If we pass the programs that people say they want, they will vote for more of it."  Either that shit doesn't work or it requires a superior communication strategy to sell it and putting that together is more challenging than getting the program passed.  

 

Forget the ethics of it, the cold reality is that it's popular amongst a certain group of voters, some of whom poured money into the Trump campaign in a quid pro quo appeal for light (or no) regulation with the most transactional and corrupt President in our life time.  A smart politician shouldn't be picking fights unless it's VERY intentional.  

You can't forever stand on principle on this if that loses elections.  At least for me, I'm not interested in being the most noble person in an authoritarian state.  

Here's the transcript of an Ezra Klein interview that narrates how the crypto industry went from being unaffiliated to activated in favor of Trump.  

Joe Biden is president. Gary Gensler is his S.E.C. chair. Gensler is a huge crypto skeptic. He wants crypto regulated as securities, for the most part, which crypto people hate.

 

 

Then why don't we all just become republicans and call it a day and be cool with everything going on?

 

Crypto bros don't want regulation because they think they are smarter than the system. Whatever, good for them, they are the 0.001% (maybe). The problem is that most people aren't that, think they can play the system and get fucked. Regulation protects those people, because the crypto bros specifically don't want regulation to prey on the dumb (just like we see with all of the coin scams these days).

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1 hour ago, 'stache said:

She had my vote in the primary precisely because she talked policy and how to correct some of the excesses of American capitalism. It’s the same shit that every female candidate faces. Too bossy, too emotional, just plain unlikable, etc., etc., etc. It’s clear to me the next nominee has to be a straight white male. I hate it but that’s the only chance. Newsom isn’t my favorite but he’s playing the game and is also capable in my opinion of effective governance. I like Buttegeig way better, but you know, gay, and probably talks too much policy for this stupid af country.

Likewise. I was outspoken to my circle about how I thought she would make an incredible president. I was dumbfounded when the women in my life would nitpick her and prefer Biden or someone else

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27 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

 

Look, I dig that shit, too, but I'm also a subscriber to The Atlantic and even read the articles in Playboy when I was still in the throes of adolescence.  

My point is that the Democrats have gotten tricked into thinking they can policy their way into an electoral majority.  "If we pass the programs that people say they want, they will vote for more of it."  Either that shit doesn't work or it requires a superior communication strategy to sell it and putting that together is more challenging than getting the program passed.  

 

Forget the ethics of it, the cold reality is that it's popular amongst a certain group of voters, some of whom poured money into the Trump campaign in a quid pro quo appeal for light (or no) regulation with the most transactional and corrupt President in our life time.  A smart politician shouldn't be picking fights unless it's VERY intentional.  

You can't forever stand on principle on this if that loses elections.  At least for me, I'm not interested in being the most noble person in an authoritarian state.  

Here's the transcript of an Ezra Klein interview that narrates how the crypto industry went from being unaffiliated to activated in favor of Trump.  

Joe Biden is president. Gary Gensler is his S.E.C. chair. Gensler is a huge crypto skeptic. He wants crypto regulated as securities, for the most part, which crypto people hate.

 

The obscenely rich don't want the state that protects them and their wealth to regulate the means by which they accumulate said wealth?

I am shocked.

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Lumping me in with posters who vote Republican is sick. The only message board sin I committed is saying the same shit all of you thought 5-10 years ago about Trans people---that they have mental issues and need to learn to be extras and not main characters.

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My wife LOVES Warren. Like, has the sign and the t shirt. My wife also has three degrees and is very smart.
ANY Dem appealing to her is preaching to the choir. We don’t need to be speaking to her.
We need to be speaking to the Hispanic males in the Calley who didn’t just turn towards Trump, they did so AGAINST THEIR INTERESTS. Trump sold macho bullshit and told blatant - but sweet - lies about how brilliant the economy would be under him, and how everything bad that has ever happened is due to Biden.
Dems have to tell counter-lies (oversell what you can do on the economy, and WAY oversell how much Trump shit hurts, which is an easy sell). And run a man, who can sell man stuff.
Because not only do men want a manly man…a lot of women do too (the demographic in this country LEAST likely to ever vote for a woman is a set of women, actually).
On the shutdown, sell how the republicans are making your healthcare costs go up RIGHT NOW, to make billionaires rich. We’re just going to stand here until they fix what they’ve broken.

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28 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Then why don't we all just become republicans and call it a day and be cool with everything going on?

I'm sure this is rhetorical but let me respond anyway in case it advances the discussion--people aren't born Democrats and Republicans.  It's a social construct, it's tribal, and in the wake of diminishing religiosity one might even say it's a spiritual doctrine.  I'm guilty of this, too, Republicans have basically had a policy platform consisting of "let's be selfish assholes" my entire adulthood.  

I'm not interested in entirely abandoning virtue in the interest of winning elections, but if this board is at all representative, there continues to be this faith or belief that the best candidates show fidelity to Democratic core values and there's a lot of electoral evidence to the contrary.  You've got people (sorry, picking on you) like @BrickHorn who make light of Republican voter ignorance and think the solution is that they need more information or better shaming, and perhaps that's correct on the margins, but it's been the default strategy for Democrats over the past 50 years and then Democrats are surprised when they lose elections.  

I feel like Jon Lovett on PSA brings this up a lot and uses trans rights as a good example--are they better protected now than they were four years ago?  Whatever the intention was, it didn't work.  You can use that same methodology for crypto, women's health, hell, now it's the very foundation of what is true and what is not.  

TL:DR, nothing matters if you don't win elections.  Getting this back on target, nothing about the shutdown matters if it doesn't lead to an electoral victory (i.e., protecting a relatively small number of people from unaffordable insurance can't be the endgame).  

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I went to see Warren the last time she was speaking in Austin this summer.  I had liked what I had seen before on TV and SocMed, but she left me rather disappointed in her presentation.  Very bland and uninspiring.   

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39 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Lumping me in with posters who vote Republican is sick. The only message board sin I committed is saying the same shit all of you thought 5-10 years ago about Trans people---that they have mental issues and need to learn to be extras and not main characters.

How you talk about trans folks sounds a lot like how people used to talk about gay folks.

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44 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Lumping me in with posters who vote Republican is sick. The only message board sin I committed is saying the same shit all of you thought 5-10 years ago about Trans people---that they have mental issues and need to learn to be extras and not main characters.

Reported. Fuck off.

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43 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Lumping me in with posters who vote Republican is sick. The only message board sin I committed is saying the same shit all of you thought 5-10 years ago about Trans people---that they have mental issues and need to learn to be extras and not main characters.

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All I said is: pen & phone was a terrible precedent to set, the virus came from the lab, Biden's brain was mush, Kamala's inane ill-timed cackling will prevent her from winning the presidency, and government run healthcare will be both a cost and service disaster.   I'm therefore ,allegedly, a retarded, ***homosexual slur here***, ***homosexual slur here***, ***homosexual slur here***, arch-conservative.

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47 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

You've got people (sorry, picking on you) like @BrickHorn who make light of Republican voter ignorance and think the solution is that they need more information or better shaming

Well, I successfully converted a few die hard Republicans into reliable Democratic voters in recent years. And I did it by appealing to their intellect and morals, not pandering to knee-jerk dipshittery. But it takes effort.

Too many of y’all lazy fucks view the masses as irredeemable idiots. Many are. But you don’t need to sway them. There are more than enough good people on the margins who can be snapped back into reality. 

Jesus. It feels like I’m debating a bunch of Bill Mahers in here. “The only way we can save our cherished principles is to give up on them.” What a brilliant idea!

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Marjorie Taylor Greene Turns on Trump and Tells GOP to End the Shutdown

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The Georgia Republican said she does not believe that “vulnerable Americans should pay the price because of politics.”

Updated Oct. 3 2025 3:16PM EDT Published Oct. 3 2025 2:23PM EDT

One-time MAGA stalwart Marjorie Taylor Greene is deepening her rift with President Donald Trump’s coalition with a demand that Republicans end the government shutdown.

The Georgia Republican said this week’s shutdown “doesn’t have to be happening” and placed blame for the impasse on the GOP, which controls the White House and holds a majority in the House and Senate.

“Right now this shutdown is a big political fight and drama, but it doesn’t have to be happening,” she told InfoWars. “The Senate can use the nuclear option and override the 60-vote rule. They can pass the CR with a simple majority.”

Marjorie Taylor Greene warns Trump that the new data centers he plans to build will "steal" water from counties and states. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who has been one of President Donald Trump’s biggest allies in Congress, is now clashing with him on the shutdown, Jeffrey Epstein, and U.S. military support for Israel. Andrew Harnik/Getty Images 

The lawmaker noted that the Senate activated this rule to expedite the confirmation of Trump’s nominees last month. The funding bill that has the Senate in gridlock has already passed the House. 

Like Greene, the majority of Americans also blame the GOP for the shutdown, according to a poll conducted by The Washington Post this week. This is despite desperate attempts by the Trump administration, which include potential Hatch Act violations, to pin the stalemate on the Democrats. 

Republicans, including Trump, have falsely claimed that Democrats are to blame for the shutdown because they want to give free healthcare to undocumented immigrants. In fact, federal law bars unauthorized immigrants from buying Obamacare marketplace plans or receiving Obamacare subsidies. They’re also ineligible for Medicaid, Medicare, and CHIP.

Greene went on to criticize her fellow Republicans for playing politics when the shutdown is harming Americans, forcing TSA agents, air traffic controllers, and soldiers to continue working without pay. She also noted that WIC program benefits are frozen for struggling families and single mothers. 

GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene speaks during a news conference with 10 of the alleged victims of disgraced financier and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein outside the U.S. Capitol on September 03, 2025. Marjorie Taylor Greene is among the few Republicans still calling for the full release of the “Epstein files,” putting her on the White House’s bad side. Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images 

“These are single moms that, you know, people have hit hard times over the past four years because of inflation, and the cost of living is extremely high right now,” the congresswoman said. “And so I don’t think that these vulnerable Americans should pay the price because of politics in Washington, D.C. I believe that soon, the Republican senators need to actually grow some courage and a spine.”

Greene is known for her blistering rebukes of Democrats, but during MAGA 2.0, she has also used such sharp words to criticize those within her own party. Her office did not immediately respond to a request for comment from the Daily Beast on Friday.

Her split from Trump, 79, emerged after it became clear his administration was not going to declassify the so-called “Epstein files,” in which he is named, for the public to read themselves, as he had long promised.

Greene, 51, indicated on Friday’s show that she still supports the president but is frustrated with his governing, which has lately included sharing a plethora of AI-generated content and memes. She has also broken with the White House over the continuing U.S. military support for Israel and told The New York Times that her reaction to White House pushback has been to say, “[Expletive] you!”

She kept more of a level head during her interview on the right-wing InfoWars.

“I support President Trump,” she said on Friday. “I campaigned for him very hard, but I am frustrated at the fact that we aren’t passing bills to make his policies permanent.

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Posted
26 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Well, I successfully converted a few die hard Republicans into reliable Democratic voters in recent years. And I did it by appealing to their intellect and morals, not pandering to knee-jerk dipshittery. But it takes effort.

Too many of y’all lazy fucks view the masses as irredeemable idiots. Many are. But you don’t need to sway them. There are more than enough good people on the margins who can be snapped back into reality. 

Jesus. It feels like I’m debating a bunch of Bill Mahers in here. “The only way we can save our cherished principles is to give up on them.” What a brilliant idea!

Honestly, cheap eggs probably works better than reason.

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4 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

Sorry we don't live in an idiot filled state. My state is full of smart people. We like having Senators that are intelligent, well spoken, and educated. GUESS WHAT? In our state she is a person of the people. And she very much represents us.

This is just a bullshit take. For starters, has she ever made AR-15 bacon?

I thought not. 

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13 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Marjorie Taylor Greene Turns on Trump and Tells GOP to End the Shutdown

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The Georgia Republican said she does not believe that “vulnerable Americans should pay the price because of politics.”

Updated Oct. 3 2025 3:16PM EDT Published Oct. 3 2025 2:23PM EDT

One-time MAGA stalwart Marjorie Taylor Greene is deepening her rift with President Donald Trump’s coalition with a demand that Republicans end the government shutdown.

The Georgia Republican said this week’s shutdown “doesn’t have to be happening” and placed blame for the impasse on the GOP, which controls the White House and holds a majority in the House and Senate.

“Right now this shutdown is a big political fight and drama, but it doesn’t have to be happening,” she told InfoWars. “The Senate can use the nuclear option and override the 60-vote rule. They can pass the CR with a simple majority.”

Marjorie Taylor Greene warns Trump that the new data centers he plans to build will "steal" water from counties and states. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who has been one of President Donald Trump’s biggest allies in Congress, is now clashing with him on the shutdown, Jeffrey Epstein, and U.S. military support for Israel. Andrew Harnik/Getty Images 

The lawmaker noted that the Senate activated this rule to expedite the confirmation of Trump’s nominees last month. The funding bill that has the Senate in gridlock has already passed the House. 

Like Greene, the majority of Americans also blame the GOP for the shutdown, according to a poll conducted by The Washington Post this week. This is despite desperate attempts by the Trump administration, which include potential Hatch Act violations, to pin the stalemate on the Democrats. 

Republicans, including Trump, have falsely claimed that Democrats are to blame for the shutdown because they want to give free healthcare to undocumented immigrants. In fact, federal law bars unauthorized immigrants from buying Obamacare marketplace plans or receiving Obamacare subsidies. They’re also ineligible for Medicaid, Medicare, and CHIP.

Greene went on to criticize her fellow Republicans for playing politics when the shutdown is harming Americans, forcing TSA agents, air traffic controllers, and soldiers to continue working without pay. She also noted that WIC program benefits are frozen for struggling families and single mothers. 

GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene speaks during a news conference with 10 of the alleged victims of disgraced financier and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein outside the U.S. Capitol on September 03, 2025. Marjorie Taylor Greene is among the few Republicans still calling for the full release of the “Epstein files,” putting her on the White House’s bad side. Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images 

“These are single moms that, you know, people have hit hard times over the past four years because of inflation, and the cost of living is extremely high right now,” the congresswoman said. “And so I don’t think that these vulnerable Americans should pay the price because of politics in Washington, D.C. I believe that soon, the Republican senators need to actually grow some courage and a spine.”

Greene is known for her blistering rebukes of Democrats, but during MAGA 2.0, she has also used such sharp words to criticize those within her own party. Her office did not immediately respond to a request for comment from the Daily Beast on Friday.

Her split from Trump, 79, emerged after it became clear his administration was not going to declassify the so-called “Epstein files,” in which he is named, for the public to read themselves, as he had long promised.

Greene, 51, indicated on Friday’s show that she still supports the president but is frustrated with his governing, which has lately included sharing a plethora of AI-generated content and memes. She has also broken with the White House over the continuing U.S. military support for Israel and told The New York Times that her reaction to White House pushback has been to say, “[Expletive] you!”

She kept more of a level head during her interview on the right-wing InfoWars.

“I support President Trump,” she said on Friday. “I campaigned for him very hard, but I am frustrated at the fact that we aren’t passing bills to make his policies permanent.

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Is it possible that things have become so horrific over there, that MTG seems sane and normal by comparison? Is such a thing even possible?

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1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Is it possible that things have become so horrific over there, that MTG seems sane and normal by comparison? Is such a thing even possible?

she's catching heat from her constituents apparently. 

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6 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Fatty votes on an exclusively tribal basis, Most Republicans do. 
can we talk about the shutdown on the shutdown thread?

What frustrates me about all of this is the framing of the problem.  R's claim that the D's refused to agree to a clean funding bill.  They were short, what, 6 or 7 senators (with the Nevada D senator and hoodie from PA voting for it plus maybe one more)?  Didn't the D senators propose their own bill which had 46 or 47 in favor?  Why couldn't 13 or 14 senators compromise and vote for that to keep the government open?  

The D's bowed to the R's back in the spring.  They voted to keep the government open on the expectation that R's would come to the table to negotiate other issues.  What happened instead is that they got steamrolled and the BBB was passed.  Capitulation as a precurser to negotiation never ends well.

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