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For months now, one of my college-educated friends and I have been having a cordial discussion about if massive, massive voter fraud changed the election results. She is in the Lindell/Powell/Guiliani camp.
We had it out yesterday. There is nothing I can ever say to convince her that speculation is not "evidence." She has her feelings, and she will never, ever, ever change them.
It's pretty fucking sad.

She is stupid and gullible and has little problem with accepting flat crazy explanations. Should be down for hot sex once she sees your “Stop The Steal” embroidered bedsheets.

Also, will boil your pet rabbit when you try to dump her MAGA ass.
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The biggest snowflakes, the best snowflakes, big strapping snowflakes right out of central casting, with beautiful tears in their eyes.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/23/politics/arizona-senate-republicans-election-audit/index.html

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An election audit of the 2020 ballots from Arizona's largest county -- one demanded by Republican state senators, overseen by a purveyor of election conspiracies and live streamed by a pro-Trump television network -- kicked off on Friday. 

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Earlier in the week, Maricopa County handed nearly 2.1 million ballots and nearly 400 tabulation machines over to the state Senate after Republican lawmakers subpoenaed the materials and a judge ruled county officials had to comply. In a last-ditch effort to block the controversial audit, the Arizona Democratic Party and the lone Democrat serving on the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, which oversees elections, sued to halt the count Thursday evening. A judge agreed to briefly pause the audit after a Friday hearing, but Democrats declined to provide the required $1 million bond and so the audit continued.

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On Friday, Trump continued to spread his election conspiracy claims in a statement and thanked Arizona's "brave and patriotic" Republican state senators. 

Arizona Senate President Karen Fann, a Republican who has led the charge for the audit, has insisted she's running a fair process to ensure election integrity. But the overtly partisan review has already sparked an outcry from nonpartisan election security experts, GOP officials in Maricopa County and Arizona's secretary of state, among others. 

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"I have been avoiding calling it an audit to be quite honest with you, because that's not what it is. They have been making this up as they go along," Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, a Democrat, said in an interview with CNN. "This is just a fishing expedition by people who are determined to find something wrong.

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The review is being overseen by a company whose chief executive supported Trump and shared election conspiracies in since deleted tweets, and it will be live broadcast by the right-wing One American News Network. The audit's GOP organizers have been cagey about who will be doing the ballot counting and whether the teams will be bipartisan. They also have ignored requests from election integrity groups to allow nonpartisan election administration experts to observe the process. And journalists who want to report on the endeavor are only allowed to do so if they agree to participate in the process as election observers and will be barred from taking notes or video. 

"This is not like any audit I've ever seen," said Mark Lindeman, the acting co-director of Verified Voting, a nonpartisan organization focused on technology and election administration. "If it intends to be perceived as fair-minded and credible, they've made some bad mistakes."

 

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5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Haha hilarious except really dangerous and scary

Reportedly they were marking up ballots during the “audit” with blue ink not “knowing” that ballots where allowed to be filled in with blue ink.

Again reportedly, they thought ballots where only allowed to be filled in with black ink.

Another reason why I moved.

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On 4/23/2021 at 3:42 AM, Bookman said:

For months now, one of my college-educated friends and I have been having a cordial discussion about if massive, massive voter fraud changed the election results. She is in the Lindell/Powell/Guiliani camp.

We had it out yesterday. There is nothing I can ever say to convince her that speculation is not "evidence." She has her feelings, and she will never, ever, ever change them.

It's pretty fucking sad.

There are two ways to be fooled.

One is to believe what isn't true.

The other is to refuse to believe what is true. 

~ Soren Kierkegaard

 

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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/26/powells-claims-were-legally-opinion-michigan-republicans-lawyer/7383886002/

 

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An attorney representing six Michigan Republicans who sought to overturn the state's election says claims made in the effort by conservative lawyer Sidney Powell were "opinion" in the eyes of the law.

Attorney Stefanie Lambert Junttila laid out that argument in a filing Friday night as a group of Republican lawyers faces a push for sanctions in Michigan's Eastern District federal court.

 

 

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"Indeed, based on case law, Ms. Powell's statements are not legally considered 'fact,' Junttila wrote. "Rather, by placing her statements in the broad and specific context of political debate, there are legally considered 'opinion.'"

Earlier this month,Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel asked a federal judge to consider Powell's response to a $1.3 billion defamation suit from Dominion Voting Systems in deciding whether to sanction her for the lawsuit that challenged Michigan's election results.

Nessel's office has sought $11,071 in attorneys' fees to be awarded to the state as part of the sanctions push.

 

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In defending herself against the Dominion suit, Powell said "no reasonable person" could conclude her statements about Dominion were "truly statements of fact." Powell also said it was the court's responsibility, not hers, to investigate the truth of the statements. 

The statements, Nessel wrote previously, "go to the heart" of the argument for sanctions against Powell, who was among the attorneys who represented Michigan Republicans who asked a judge to require that former President Donald Trump be named the state's winner.

The Republican's case, which is known as King v. Whitmer, relied on conspiracy theories and discredited claims of wrongdoing. Trump lost Michigan to Democrat Joe Biden by 3 percentage points or 154,000 votes.

Powell "all but admits that she and her co-counsel here have engaged in sanctionable conduct before this court," Nessel wrote earlier this month. "...That approach to litigation is sanctionable under any standard."

In her filing Friday night, Junttila countered that Nessel should be sanctioned, adding that the attorney general's office had filed a "frivolous brief" based on "the intentional misrepresentation of a legal argument."

"Powell's statements would not be actionable for defamation because she disclosed the underlying facts supporting her statements, and her statements were legally opinion," Junttila wrote of Powell's argument.

She added that "there is no admission by Ms. Powell in the Dominion Action that the facts presented to this court were false or non-believable," and "there is no admission that Ms. Powell failed to investigate the facts before bringing this case."

Powell was involved in failed election challenges in multiple swing states. She once described her legal effort as releasing the "kraken."

On Dec. 7, Detroit U.S. District Court Judge Linda Parker of Michigan's Eastern District rejected the Michigan Republicans' lawsuit, saying the effort aimed to "ignore the will of millions of voters."

In February, Nessel, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, three Democrats who are lawyers themselves, filed complaints, seeking to have attorneys Greg Rohl, Scott Hagerstrom, Junttila and Powell disbarred over their involvement in the election litigation.

 

 

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Is Chinese Pornography, porn that involves 1 or more Chinese people in the film itself?  Or it is porn that was made in China but is consumed by Americans (like most of our stuff)?  Or it is strictly Chinese porn, involving only Chinese citizens, produced in China, and authorized by the CCP?  

Or is it just shit that Drew and Lindsey Graham watch together on Sundays?  

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38 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Is Chinese Pornography, porn that involves 1 or more Chinese people in the film itself?  Or it is porn that was made in China but is consumed by Americans (like most of our stuff)?  Or it is strictly Chinese porn, involving only Chinese citizens, produced in China, and authorized by the CCP?  

Or is it just shit that Drew and Lindsey Graham watch together on Sundays?  

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On 4/23/2021 at 6:42 AM, Bookman said:

For months now, one of my college-educated friends and I have been having a cordial discussion about if massive, massive voter fraud changed the election results. She is in the Lindell/Powell/Guiliani camp.

We had it out yesterday. There is nothing I can ever say to convince her that speculation is not "evidence." She has her feelings, and she will never, ever, ever change them.

It's pretty fucking sad.

Stay positive. People who are convinced they are right while also belonging to a cult are not going to go down without a fight. She did not just one day up and decide to believe lies. It will take awhile, but have patience and think good things in this situation.

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15 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Lol at Cunttila flailing and asking for sanctions against the AG. Don't think that's going to work out for her. Too bad only $11k is at stake. 

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56 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Is Chinese Pornography, porn that involves 1 or more Chinese people in the film itself?  Or it is porn that was made in China but is consumed by Americans (like most of our stuff)?  Or it is strictly Chinese porn, involving only Chinese citizens, produced in China, and authorized by the CCP?  

Or is it just shit that Drew and Lindsey Graham watch together on Sundays?  

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7 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

Lol at Cunttila flailing and asking for sanctions against the AG. Don't think that's going to work out for her. Too bad only $11k is at stake. 

I'm very surprised at the amount.  I don't recall the specifics of that case, but a lot of these have been considerably more than a 12(b)(6), with defending TROs and responding to amended complaints and whatnot.

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2 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

 

What's wrong with Chinese pornography?  I've been pretty happy with what I've seen of it.  Japanese pornography tends to have better looking actors, but then they blur out the interesting bits so it's pretty much a wash.  I will never understand how a country that has the Festival of the Steel phallus every year, where they parade around giant dicks in the streets, has laws on the books that makes them pixelate all penises in media, including porn.

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2 hours ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

What's wrong with Chinese pornography?  I've been pretty happy with what I've seen of it.  Japanese pornography tends to have better looking actors, but then they blur out the interesting bits so it's pretty much a wash.  I will never understand how a country that has the Festival of the Steel phallus every year, where they parade around giant dicks in the streets, has laws on the books that makes them pixelate all penises in media, including porn.

You're on the wrong websites.

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6 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

Stay positive. People who are convinced they are right while also belonging to a cult are not going to go down without a fight. She did not just one day up and decide to believe lies. It will take awhile, but have patience and think good things in this situation.

Or, alternatively.....and just go with me here...F that stupid piece of shit, and cut her out of your life.

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9 hours ago, Lobo said:

Is Chinese Pornography, porn that involves 1 or more Chinese people in the film itself?  Or it is porn that was made in China but is consumed by Americans (like most of our stuff)?  Or it is strictly Chinese porn, involving only Chinese citizens, produced in China, and authorized by the CCP?  

Or is it just shit that Drew and Lindsey Graham watch together on Sundays?  

It’s a TP where the guys change places every few minutes. 

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10 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

Stay positive. People who are convinced they are right while also belonging to a cult are not going to go down without a fight. She did not just one day up and decide to believe lies. It will take awhile, but have patience and think good things in this situation.

I can only aspire to such positivity.

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SoS of Arizona. Not on Maddow.

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3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Or, alternatively.....and just go with me here...F that stupid piece of shit, and cut her out of your life.

Most are reachable.

The ones who cannot be reached probably carry Cluster B personality disorders. Our mental health system creates negative externalities. 

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That hate will burn you up Brisket. 

Keeps me warm.
Most are reachable.
The ones who cannot be reached probably carry Cluster B personality disorders. Our mental health system creates negative externalities. 

Or...some people are just raging fucking idiotic assholes. Just assholes. That’s all.
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41 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Most are reachable.

The ones who cannot be reached probably carry Cluster B personality disorders. Our mental health system creates negative externalities. 

I will maintain until the day I kick the bucket when it comes to mental health. Every single person in this country needs to have access to a mental health professional at least once a week. If you cannot afford it our government needs to pay for the visit. For those that are wealthy enough to afford it they should still be given a discount on their insurance for going. How many of our domestic terrorists that went off the rails and on shooting sprees were actively talking with a therapist every week? When you have someone that you know you are going to speak to each week that is there to help you it completely changes the mindset of the person. So much of what is wrong with our country is the lack of speaking to one another. We have got to take mental health seriously and providing everyone, regardless of age, the ability to visit a therapist will do wonders for the overall mental health of America. This is not a cheap solution, but it is one we should be pursuing and I think we eventually will do this. You may not be getting a 1000 dollar an hour therapist, but having access to a professional in the field of psychology is something we ALL should have had access to years ago as a country. 

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I will maintain until the day I kick the bucket when it comes to mental health. Every single person in this country needs to have access to a mental health professional at least once a week. If you cannot afford it our government needs to pay for the visit. For those that are wealthy enough to afford it they should still be given a discount on their insurance for going. How many of our domestic terrorists that went off the rails and on shooting sprees were actively talking with a therapist every week? When you have someone that you know you are going to speak to each week that is there to help you it completely changes the mindset of the person. So much of what is wrong with our country is the lack of speaking to one another. We have got to take mental health seriously and providing everyone, regardless of age, the ability to visit a therapist will do wonders for the overall mental health of America. This is not a cheap solution, but it is one we should be pursuing and I think we eventually will do this. You may not be getting a 1000 dollar an hour therapist, but having access to a professional in the field of psychology is something we ALL should have had access to years ago as a country. 

I couldn’t agree more.

But some people are just fucking assholes, and they choose to be assholes.
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11 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

Stay positive. People who are convinced they are right while also belonging to a cult are not going to go down without a fight. She did not just one day up and decide to believe lies. It will take awhile, but have patience and think good things in this situation.

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Yeah well speaking of Aaron Carter, he's actually a case study in the myriad logical disconnects it had to have taken for an electorate that size to come out for a Donald Trump.

"Aaron Carter ultimately decided not to vote for Trump

Musician Aaron Carter tweeted his support for Donald Trump's candidacy in February 2016, which sparked a contentious back and forth with his fans. The Hollywood Reporter detailed Carter's now-deleted jabs at fans who admonished him for supporting Trump. 

The rapper told People in April 2016 that the fans harassing him for his support of Trump don't understand politics, saying, "I'm too intelligent for you guys." He admitted, though, that he didn't support all of Trump's policies like those on immigration and LGBTQ+ issues. It seems Carter was amid a change of heart when he spoke with People because, later that month, The Hollywood Reporter highlighted the musician's 180° turn on the issue. In a since-deleted tweet, he wrote, "I have decided I will not be voting for Donald Trump. I've seen a lot and to ME. it's just something I can't take part in. Too many reasons."

In October 2016, after the release of the infamous Access Hollywood tape in which Trump brags about grabbing women "by the p*ssy," the singer/songwriter reiterated his lack of support for Donald Trump's candidacy (via Billboard), by writing in another since-deleted tweet, "No. I'm not supporting Donald trump anymore."

Yeah...this is the same Aaron Carter who, to this day, continues to defend Lou Pearlman. Poor guy could never identify a con-man, yet he prattles on about how he's "too intelligent" for the millions who did actually know better.

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15 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Who is Nicki Swift? Is she a pornstar? Sounds like a pornstar. Jesus, that site makes TMZ look like legitimate journalism.

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Clay Aiken got to know Donald Trump when he appeared as a contestant on Celebrity Apprentice. Aiken, a Democrat, didn't endorse Trump in 2016, but he did speak positively about his Apprentice boss' candidacy early in the process,

Nope. That’s not an example. Caitlyn Jenner? She’s running as a Republican. Let’s see her rebuke Trump on the campaign trail. Kanye West?

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West announced via a tweet he would be running for President but ultimately dropped out of the race. West's Presidential run was widely panned as a spoiler campaign intended to siphon black voters from Joe Biden, which West ultimately admitted to Forbes was true.

Nope. Gary Johnson supporter Jesse “The Body” Ventura? Nope.

Do you see a pattern here? How about examples of actual people, Trump supporters, Fox News junkies, that you know? If Nicki Swift is the best you can come up with then I think that supports my case.

Also, reality tv isn’t reality. It’s tv. Never forget that.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Do you see a pattern here? How about examples of actual people, Trump supporters, Fox News junkies, that you know? If Nicki Swift is the best you can come up with then I think that supports my case.

What is your position/case? That no current Trump supporter will later turn their backs on Trump?

I find that rather preposterous, but possible, I suppose. 

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What is your position/case? That no current Trump supporter will later turn their backs on Trump?
I find that rather preposterous, but possible, I suppose. 

What is the rate of defection from cults?

Being that the psychology here is damned near identical....we’ll see that percentage of defectors. So, not many.
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Dr. Eric Coomer of Dominion receives settlement and apology/retraction from Newsmax.  https://www.npr.org/2021/04/30/992534968/newsmax-issues-retraction-and-apology-to-dominion-employee-over-election-stories I imagine the settlement was significant.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/eric-coomer-dominion-voting-systems/2021/04/30/id/1019671/

Because Coomer was not a public figure, this was pretty easy.  Still a bunch of defendants on the hook.

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