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Remember when Boehner was pushed out by the Tea Party and replaced by Ryan. Paul Ryan and the Tea Party wanted something done about the deficit and they sure as shit did something. They made it much bigger and then killed the idea that a ballooning deficit is bad.

"Ryan, a onetime preacher about the evil of debt, now brushes aside any questions about how annual deficits rocketed under his watch — from about $430 billion in 2015, when he took the gavel, to almost $1 trillion as he heads for the exit three years later."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/powerpost/deficit-hawks-are-dead-and-few-in-washington-can-muster-any-outrage/2018/09/14/1d6e95b0-b840-11e8-94eb-3bd52dfe917b_story.html

 

 

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So the Tea Party was just a con-job by billionaires to further enrich themselves through deregulation and corporate tax cuts all while driving up the deficit?

You don’t say.

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One more data point showing that process and political norms will not save us. They will push us til the pitchforks come out. 

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20 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

So the Tea Party was just a con-job by billionaires to further enrich themselves through deregulation and corporate tax cuts all while driving up the deficit?

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I think they're still there and they'd rather R's be deficit hawks than not, but they've been overcome with Trumpian Nationalism and that's more important to them right now.

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On 10/2/2018 at 4:15 PM, F250 said:

Remember when Boehner was pushed out by the Tea Party and replaced by Ryan. Paul Ryan and the Tea Party wanted something done about the deficit and they sure as shit did something. They made it much bigger and then killed the idea that a ballooning deficit is bad.

"Ryan, a onetime preacher about the evil of debt, now brushes aside any questions about how annual deficits rocketed under his watch — from about $430 billion in 2015, when he took the gavel, to almost $1 trillion as he heads for the exit three years later."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/powerpost/deficit-hawks-are-dead-and-few-in-washington-can-muster-any-outrage/2018/09/14/1d6e95b0-b840-11e8-94eb-3bd52dfe917b_story.html

 

 

Ryan, was a huge disappointment from the time he took the SotH job.  Not sure if he cut a single thing at any point in his tenure, a rubber stamp.  This is not new news of course.  

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Klobuchar talking about reining in the debt in her announcement speech over the weekend was a beautiful dog whistle.

GOP leaders came flowering praise shortly afterwards 

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On 10/2/2018 at 4:15 PM, F250 said:

Remember when Boehner was pushed out by the Tea Party and replaced by Ryan. Paul Ryan and the Tea Party wanted something done about the deficit and they sure as shit did something. They made it much bigger and then killed the idea that a ballooning deficit is bad.

"Ryan, a onetime preacher about the evil of debt, now brushes aside any questions about how annual deficits rocketed under his watch — from about $430 billion in 2015, when he took the gavel, to almost $1 trillion as he heads for the exit three years later."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/powerpost/deficit-hawks-are-dead-and-few-in-washington-can-muster-any-outrage/2018/09/14/1d6e95b0-b840-11e8-94eb-3bd52dfe917b_story.html

 

 

Boehner was pushed out by a bunch of people. The Tea Party was always a minority within the Pub caucus. Paul Ryan was never a Tea Party member, but was favored by the Tea Party because of his long focus on the deficit. They believed he would do something about the deficit. It is hardly their fault that Ryan was a shithead douchebag who skips leg day. The Tea Party position was the only morally responsible position. Destroying the economy by stealing from your children is immoral, period.

Ultimately the fault lies in the voters, and in the underlying cultural rot that has led everyone to only look out for what they can get. You would have to be blind not to see that people want free stuff, not balanced budgets. The poll showing >70% support for Medicare For All is one among many data points demonstrating obliviousness to actual policy implications (immediately bankruptcy). These are clear signs of where the mind of the electorate is.

The deficit of $1.1 trillion is 5.5% of GDP at the peak of the economic cycle. We'll go far past $2T next recession. We'd all just better sit back and enjoy what prosperity we have left. The Great Reset is going to be painful. The illusion that prosperity comes from government will destroy this country no different than it did in Greece and is destroying the economies of the rest of the continent.

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Destroying your economy immediately and with certainty in order to avoid some uncertain destruction in some uncertain future somehow being the responsible position is the great farce at the center of "fiscal responsibility."

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Boehner was pushed out by a bunch of people. The Tea Party was always a minority within the Pub caucus. Paul Ryan was never a Tea Party member, but was favored by the Tea Party because of his long focus on the deficit. They believed he would do something about the deficit. It is hardly their fault that Ryan was a shithead douchebag who skips leg day. The Tea Party position was the only morally responsible position. Destroying the economy by stealing from your children is immoral, period.

Ultimately the fault lies in the voters, and in the underlying cultural rot that has led everyone to only look out for what they can get. You would have to be blind not to see that people want free stuff, not balanced budgets. The poll showing >70% support for Medicare For All is one among many data points demonstrating obliviousness to actual policy implications (immediately bankruptcy). These are clear signs of where the mind of the electorate is.

The deficit of $1.1 trillion is 5.5% of GDP at the peak of the economic cycle. We'll go far past $2T next recession. We'd all just better sit back and enjoy what prosperity we have left. The Great Reset is going to be painful. The illusion that prosperity comes from government will destroy this country no different than it did in Greece and is destroying the economies of the rest of the continent.

Nope. Ultimately the fault lies with the republicans. They are the ones who passed tax laws specifically designed to explode the deficit. First Reagan, then GWB, and now trump.

If you want to blame republican voters like yourself then fine. Otherwise, fuck off. 

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2 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Nope. Ultimately the fault lies with the republicans. They are the ones who passed tax laws specifically designed to explode the deficit. First Reagan, then GWB, and now trump.

If you want to blame republican voters like yourself then fine. Otherwise, fuck off. 

LOL. Typical rupublicanism. It isn’t the fault of, you know, the actual republicans in government, it’s the fault of the VOTERS! Party of responsibility? Pffftt 

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42 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Boehner was pushed out by a bunch of people. The Tea Party was always a minority within the Pub caucus. Paul Ryan was never a Tea Party member, but was favored by the Tea Party because of his long focus on the deficit. They believed he would do something about the deficit. It is hardly their fault that Ryan was a shithead douchebag who skips leg day. The Tea Party position was the only morally responsible position. Destroying the economy by stealing from your children is immoral, period.

Ultimately the fault lies in the voters, and in the underlying cultural rot that has led everyone to only look out for what they can get. You would have to be blind not to see that people want free stuff, not balanced budgets. The poll showing >70% support for Medicare For All is one among many data points demonstrating obliviousness to actual policy implications (immediately bankruptcy). These are clear signs of where the mind of the electorate is.

The deficit of $1.1 trillion is 5.5% of GDP at the peak of the economic cycle. We'll go far past $2T next recession. We'd all just better sit back and enjoy what prosperity we have left. The Great Reset is going to be painful. The illusion that prosperity comes from government will destroy this country no different than it did in Greece and is destroying the economies of the rest of the continent.

The United States of America will never go bankrupt.

You have to know that.

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Nope. Ultimately the fault lies with the republicans. They are the ones who passed tax laws specifically designed to explode the deficit. First Reagan, then GWB, and now trump.
If you want to blame republican voters like yourself then fine. Otherwise, fuck off. 

This is true.....the million dollar question is whether Democrats when in control again will actually put on their big boy pants and rein it in, or will they make it worse.

Bill Clinton actually managed it pretty well by striking a deal with Republicans. Obama was a victim of the financial crisis and had to spend, but he must be given credit for at least trying to keep it relatively under control in the last two years of his presidency. If the Dems can do it, they will have a huge block of voters behind them for life, including me.

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7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The United States of America will never go bankrupt.

You have to know that.

That's like saying I didn't kill the guy I just held him under water for ten minutes until he stopped moving.

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2 hours ago, SimonBolivar said:

I think they're still there and they'd rather R's be deficit hawks than not, but they've been overcome with Trumpian Nationalism and that's more important to them right now.

Sure they are still there, just waiting for a Democrat congress and President. That tough fiscal hardass streak comes and goes depending on whether they are pissing or getting pissed on.

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5 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

That's like saying I didn't kill the guy I just held him under water for ten minutes until he stopped moving.

It's not like that at all. 

The United States of America will never, ever go bankrupt.

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I take it Texashammer was vehemently opposed to the GOP tax cuts. I honestly dont recall his comments either way, but I have to assume that would be his position based on his comment 

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Destroying the economy by stealing from your children is immoral, period

 

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3 minutes ago, Blotto said:

I take it Texashammer was vehemently opposed to the GOP tax cuts. I honestly dont recall his comments either way, but I have to assume that would be his position based on his comment 

I assume he's concerned about the Pentagon budget as well.

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The republicans long term strategy for quite some time has been to pass tax cuts they know can’t be paid for in order to eventually force one of two scenarios: (1) deep cuts to social security and Medicare that they know they otherwise couldn’t get passed, or (2) bankrupt the country. It’s quite dishonest of course but that’s been the Republican Party for over 40 plus years. 

Their “strategy” is to point a gun at your head and say make the cuts we want or we’ll shoot. Pretty simple really. It’s right up Trump’s criminal alley too. Hell it might even work!

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The short term strategy is pass tax cuts to enrich the owners of the Republican Party while blaming the “libs” and ahem, “minorities” for welfare, gays, guns, and abortions. 

That’s worked quite well too. It’s good to control the money. 

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The republicans long term strategy for quite some time has been to pass tax cuts they know can’t be paid for in order to eventually force one of two scenarios: (1) deep cuts to social security and Medicare that they know they otherwise couldn’t get passed, or (2) bankrupt the country. It’s quite dishonest of course but that’s been the Republican Party for over 40 plus years. 
Their “strategy” is to point a gun at your head and say make the cuts we want or we’ll shoot. Pretty simple really. It’s right up Trump’s criminal alley too. Hell it might even work!


Sadly, it will work too because voters are dumb and dems don’t know how not to bend to disaster politics

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Nah they are just resting in preparation for the next Democratic Congress and President. Then they’ll really be concerned again. Super concerned. They will write strongly worded letters and everything. 

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Just now, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Nah they are just resting in preparation for the next Democratic Congress and President. Then they’ll really be concerned again. Super concerned. They will write strongly worded letters and everything. 

They'll have to bust out their little Tea Party outfits again. Tricorns, cullotes, and muskets for errbody!

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3 minutes ago, happyfunball said:

 


Sadly, it will work too because voters are dumb and dems don’t know how not to bend to disaster politics

 

Say what you will about the youngs, but so far they haven’t at large fallen for the republicans bullshit. I personally don’t see that changing so the republican strategy is hanging by a thread before demographics change which the republicans eventually can only win by voter suppression methods and apartheid before their time is up. The battle is not over yet. 

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On 10/2/2018 at 3:15 PM, F250 said:

Remember when Boehner was pushed out by the Tea Party and replaced by Ryan. Paul Ryan and the Tea Party wanted something done about the deficit and they sure as shit did something. They made it much bigger and then killed the idea that a ballooning deficit is bad.

 "Ryan, a onetime preacher about the evil of debt, now brushes aside any questions about how annual deficits rocketed under his watch — from about $430 billion in 2015, when he took the gavel, to almost $1 trillion as he heads for the exit three years later."

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/powerpost/deficit-hawks-are-dead-and-few-in-washington-can-muster-any-outrage/2018/09/14/1d6e95b0-b840-11e8-94eb-3bd52dfe917b_story.html

 

 

 

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The short term strategy is pass tax cuts to enrich the owners of the Republican Party while blaming the “libs” and ahem, “minorities” for welfare, gays, guns, and abortions. 
That’s worked quite well too. It’s good to control the money. 

Forty years is short term?

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Boehner was pushed out by a bunch of people. The Tea Party was always a minority within the Pub caucus. Paul Ryan was never a Tea Party member, but was favored by the Tea Party because of his long focus on the deficit. They believed he would do something about the deficit. It is hardly their fault that Ryan was a shithead douchebag who skips leg day. The Tea Party position was the only morally responsible position. Destroying the economy by stealing from your children is immoral, period.

Ultimately the fault lies in the voters, and in the underlying cultural rot that has led everyone to only look out for what they can get. You would have to be blind not to see that people want free stuff, not balanced budgets. The poll showing >70% support for Medicare For All is one among many data points demonstrating obliviousness to actual policy implications (immediately bankruptcy). These are clear signs of where the mind of the electorate is.

The deficit of $1.1 trillion is 5.5% of GDP at the peak of the economic cycle. We'll go far past $2T next recession. We'd all just better sit back and enjoy what prosperity we have left. The Great Reset is going to be painful. The illusion that prosperity comes from government will destroy this country no different than it did in Greece and is destroying the economies of the rest of the continent.

 

I legitimately pity your devotion to party over reality.

 

This is true.....the million dollar question is whether Democrats when in control again will actually put on their big boy pants and rein it in, or will they make it worse.

 

Bill Clinton actually managed it pretty well by striking a deal with Republicans. Obama was a victim of the financial crisis and had to spend, but he must be given credit for at least trying to keep it relatively under control in the last two years of his presidency. If the Dems can do it, they will have a huge block of voters behind them for life, including me.

 

It isn't just Clinton. The pattern since Reagan has been GOP Presidents blowing up the deficit and wrecking the economy, then Democrats coming in to fix things. Of course, GOP just starts fucking shit up again when they return to power. So it goes. Dems want to spend on social programs and make an effort to pay for it. Rs want to spend on the military/corporate welfare and let a ballooning debt be the driver of social cuts. That they've cultivated a base that is somehow oblivious to this is impressive, in a dark way.

 

 

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When in the minority: government can’t afford your pie in the sky socialist dreams like free college and universal healthcare. 

When in the majority: cuts taxes that decrease revenue and explode the deficit 

SEE! See! Can’t afford it! Checkmate you dumb libs! 

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14 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

Boehner was pushed out by a bunch of people. The Tea Party was always a minority within the Pub caucus. Paul Ryan was never a Tea Party member, but was favored by the Tea Party because of his long focus on the deficit. They believed he would do something about the deficit. It is hardly their fault that Ryan was a shithead douchebag who skips leg day. The Tea Party position was the only morally responsible position. Destroying the economy by stealing from your children is immoral, period.

Ultimately the fault lies in the voters, and in the underlying cultural rot that has led everyone to only look out for what they can get. You would have to be blind not to see that people want free stuff, not balanced budgets. The poll showing >70% support for Medicare For All is one among many data points demonstrating obliviousness to actual policy implications (immediately bankruptcy). These are clear signs of where the mind of the electorate is.

The deficit of $1.1 trillion is 5.5% of GDP at the peak of the economic cycle. We'll go far past $2T next recession. We'd all just better sit back and enjoy what prosperity we have left. The Great Reset is going to be painful. The illusion that prosperity comes from government will destroy this country no different than it did in Greece and is destroying the economies of the rest of the continent.

 

Hey guys look over here-- a real life fiscal conservative!!!

 

Lets talk numbers--

How many billions we going to cut from the military?

How much of a percentage are we going to reduce your monthly SS payments by?

How much additional income taxes are you going to pay?

How much should we raise the gasoline tax? How much should we increase the FICA tax?

 

 

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13 hours ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Nah they are just resting in preparation for the next Democratic Congress and President. Then they’ll really be concerned again. Super concerned. They will write strongly worded letters and everything. 

They might even propose bills to end obamacare.

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14 hours ago, gmr548 said:

I legitimately pity your devotion to party over reality.

The OP is asserting the absurd notion that the "very strident" tea party caucus, is small minority of the Pub caucus and one known for it's principled devotion to a balanced budget, is in fact responsible for the size of the deficit. This is an absurd notion and one barely even worth describing, much less refuting.

Your pity should be directed to your own reading skills. It is very clear that the Republican Party is the single biggest barrier to responsible budgeting. This goes back a long way, but Cheney was well known for saying "deficits don't matter". Until they do. If this is some kind of breaking news to you, I recommend you do more reading on the subject.

The Democrats are celebrating a young woman who has just proposed three separate programs which individually would end in economic apocalypse. The basis for the popularity of these ideas is the fantastic notion that Democrats can simply grow money on trees. 

Had the voters supported politicians serious about spending cuts, there would have been spending cuts. I don't discount the shared responsibility of politicians themselves, but it is clear there is an underlying cultural rot that is responsible. Culture drives politics.

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The dems should introduce a bill into the house called the anti-redistribution act that caps the amount of money states can receive to the amount that is paid from that state to the federal coffers.  Let Republican try to explain why in reality all the dem states are subsidizing red states 

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On 2/13/2019 at 10:51 PM, tucker said:

The dems should introduce a bill into the house called the anti-redistribution act that caps the amount of money states can receive to the amount that is paid from that state to the federal coffers.  Let Republican try to explain why in reality all the dem states are subsidizing red states 

Call it the "States' Rights and Responsibilities Act." 

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