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^ I take your point to be "he had one hot streak that landed him this job. A second hot streak 10 years later* shouldn't get him extended, or even save his job at this point."

 

 

* 220-221, whatever it takes

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That is tough to accomplish in four years, but I wouldn't put it past Shaka.

Shaka should definitely get at least one more year. Many of his recruits will finally be upperclassmen by then, and he'll have his best shot of any year he's been here. Fans need to realize 2 maj

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46 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

It’s not about being right on the internet and it doesn’t apply in particular to Shaka, it’s a generalized belief that what you do over 35 games times 5 years is more important than what you do in any 1 stretch of between 1 and 6 games. 
It’s more an argument on not letting the flimsiness or vagaries of the tournament color your opinion on the quality of the coach. 

For instance, let's say Texas finishes 1-4, 0-3 in the regular season, 1-1 in the tournament. That would be his 5th non winning Big 12 season in 6 tries.

Somehow he gets a 6 seed, and survives a 11 seed upset, while the 3 seed in our bracket gets upset. Let's also say the 10 seed goes on a run in our side of the bracket as well, leading Texas to a Sweet 16 meeting with said 10 seed. Oh what do you know, the 12 seed takes out the 1 seed in other Sweet 16 game. Now Texas will have faced a 11, 14, 10, and 12 seed to make it to the Final 4. Does he really get credit for that magical run?

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7 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

This is a ridiculous take. Arguably the best team in the conference the past 2 years is coached by a guy who was routinely lambasted over his first 6 years for how atrocious a coach he was. Things don't have to remain constant because you want to be right on the internet. 

baylor had no choice but to wait.  we don't but...we don't give a rip.

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37 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

For instance, let's say Texas finishes 1-4, 0-3 in the regular season, 1-1 in the tournament. That would be his 5th non winning Big 12 season in 6 tries.

Somehow he gets a 6 seed, and survives a 11 seed upset, while the 3 seed in our bracket gets upset. Let's also say the 10 seed goes on a run in our side of the bracket as well, leading Texas to a Sweet 16 meeting with said 10 seed. Oh what do you know, the 12 seed takes out the 1 seed in other Sweet 16 game. Now Texas will have faced a 11, 14, 10, and 12 seed to make it to the Final 4. Does he really get credit for that magical run?

You're basically describing at least 2 or 3 of Baylor's elite 8 runs. 

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Just now, Catdaddyhorn said:

You're basically describing at least 2 or 3 of Baylor's elite 8 runs. 

Funny you should write that just as Baylor just locked up their first conference title in over 70 years.

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12 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Funny you should write that just as Baylor just locked up their first conference title in over 70 years.

As I said before they have arguably been the best team in the conference over the last 2 years. 

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14 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

You're basically describing at least 2 or 3 of Baylor's elite 8 runs. 

I remember those, I was at NRG for that 2010 Baylor E8 run.  14, 11, 10 and then ran into #1 Duke.   They did the same thing in 2012 - 14, 11, 10 and then ran into #1 Kentucky. 

Sounds like KU in 2011 too when they lost to VCU - 16, 9, 12 and 11.  But they lost to #11 Shaka Smart. 

The NCAA tournament is both about being good but also running into a lot of luck when it's a one and done thing - you run into a hot shooting team or a team gelling at the right time and lose early or your regional is full of upsets and you keep running into lower seeded teams all the way to the Elite 8. 

Or you lose on a half-court banked in 3 to an 11 seed because that's March. (FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK)

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My view on Shaka is that he is a disappointment and Texas can do better.... But he is also not as bad as many on here think that he is.

College head coaches have to wear a lot of hats: recruiting (both identifying and landing talent), media, player development, boosters, in game coaching, staff development, player retention, etc. Shaka is not terrible at all of them. I would say that he is actually elite in recruiting, which then sets expectations, which then expose how bad he is at some of the others.

I also think our view on Shaka should be heavily weighted toward the later half of his tenure here. He was only 37 when he got the job and SHOULD still be learning and improving. The last 3 years haven’t been terrible. In 2019 we won the NIT, but should have made the tourney. Last year we probably would have made the tourney. And this year we will be a 4-6 seed.

For clarity, I still think we should fire him and can do better. He will never be Bill Self or Tom Izzo and that is what we should be shooting for.

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45 minutes ago, HookEm said:

My view on Shaka is that he is a disappointment and Texas can do better.... But he is also not as bad as many on here think that he is.

yeah he's actually worse. most UT hoops fans think that Shaka was at least a great mid major coach at VCU, when the fact of the matter is that, for a 12 year period, VCU employed Jeff Capel, Anthony Grant, Shaka Smart, and Will Wade as it's respective HCs, and you would have a *very* tough time convincing any objective person that Shaka wasn't the worst coach out of those four. other than his absolutely inexplicable run to the final four, in a tourney that his team should never have been in, the man has *zero* career accomplishments in nearly two decades as a HC.

i can't explain why you can't see that you're a Shaka Smart Stan. every single piece of statistical, empirical, and anecdotal evidence proves that Shaka Smart is beyond out of his depth in the Big XII, and merely a good recruiter/bad coach in a mid major conference, and yet almost daily you find yourself in here championing Shaka in some form or fashion. fyi- it's getting fucking old. you are not the objective voice of reason that you think you are; you're a delusional Shaka Smart Stan who keeps defending and advocating for a coach who is literally no better than Tom Penders while scoring half the points and playing godawful, ugly ass basketball. i really wish you would stop, but something tells me that no matter what the record shows, you'll still be in here defending and pimping Shaka, for no discernible reason whatsoever. 

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57 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Last year we probably would have made the tourney.

wrong again. the bracket matrix consensus from last year had Texas nowhere near the tourney. for you to point to last year and say, "we were gonna be in the tourney!" as if it's a)true, and b)in any way reflective of how last year went, is fucking stupid.

Shaka was *done* here with his shitass performance last year until multiple injuries forced him to start playing Kai Jones, Royce Hamm, and Brock Cunningham, who collectively saved his job after his previously abysmal performance with his preferred players. your rose colored picture of every Shaka Smart fuck up is transparent as shit. your motives remain a mystery. either way, stop. 

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1 hour ago, HookEm said:

The last 3 years haven’t been terrible. 
 

the last three years:

55-45 overall, 26-25 in the league, and one (upcoming) tourney appearance. excluding that magical NIT run we are 50-45 over the last three years, while being favored in no fewer than 66% of our games.

2019:

back to back home losses to RADFORD and VCU in the non conference. we ended the regular season by going 6-12. SIX AND FUCKING TWELVE. when went 11-18 over our final 29 games, and yet you paint this season as a success. GTFOH.

2020: 

we finished #61 in Kenpom. we finished ranked #153 in AdjO, a nearly impossible feat for a program of our stature, and finished in the mid-low 200's in nearly every major offensive metric tracked by kenpom. and once again, Shaka was proper fucked until dumb luck forced him to play his own outcasts, serendipitously saving his job. and yet you again paint this as a rosy picture. again: FUCK OFF.

2021: do i even have to describe this season? his best, most complete roster ever, one which every poster worth a damn here agrees is a Final Four caliber roster, and yet we find ourselves 5-6 in our last 11, and plummeting in every rating system save the retarded fucking human polls. and yet again, you not only defend, but damn near champion this bullshit and tell us that Shaka really isn't all that bad, and neither are the last three years.

get. the fuck. out of here. you were a clueless know-it-all on shaggy, and changing your posting handle doesn't change the fact that you still don't know shit about fuck when it comes to basketball over here on surly. get over this retarded idea that you're the lone objective poster here (your shtick is so transparent), and kindly fuck off with your ignorant, uneducated bullshit about how everyone here except you is actually wrong when it comes to Shaka. 

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This is why you have ruined this board. I post that I think we need to fire Shaka, but I simply don‚Äôt think he is as bad as you. Bad enough to fire, but not the anti-christ. Somehow this makes me a Shaka ‚ÄúStan‚ÄĚ.

So you post 4 back to back longcat posts (that I stopped reading after the first paragraph) to tell me I’m wrong.

You are everything wrong with modern society. You push polarizing views and brand people who are moderate as the other polar view. You incite arguments when there are none. You don’t have the intellect to make a concise point so you vomit out 10,000 words of ranting garbage.

Fuck off.

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2 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

on what fucking planet??

 

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I assume he means that team should've performed better during the regular season and gotten into the big boy tournament.

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4 hours ago, HookEm said:

My view on Shaka is that he is a disappointment and Texas can do better.... But he is also not as bad as many on here think that he is.

College head coaches have to wear a lot of hats: recruiting (both identifying and landing talent), media, player development, boosters, in game coaching, staff development, player retention, etc. Shaka is not terrible at all of them. I would say that he is actually elite in recruiting, which then sets expectations, which then expose how bad he is at some of the others.

I also think our view on Shaka should be heavily weighted toward the later half of his tenure here. He was only 37 when he got the job and SHOULD still be learning and improving. The last 3 years haven’t been terrible. In 2019 we won the NIT, but should have made the tourney. Last year we probably would have made the tourney. And this year we will be a 4-6 seed.

For clarity, I still think we should fire him and can do better. He will never be Bill Self or Tom Izzo and that is what we should be shooting for.

I would agree his recruiting has actually been pretty good, but I have to disagree on a few issues: 1) The way we ended 2019, there is no way we belonged in the tourney, I think we were completely and fairly slotted in the right spot.  If we had gotten hot near the end, maybe one can argue it's a different story/closer case but we did the opposite.  2) I think the most obvious thing from many years with his coaching is that Shaka simply isn't an innovative or even average offensive coach.  I don't need to regurgitate stat after stat, virtually anyone with the eye test alone probably can agree with that statement.  You also have some players that are not elite at something doing that too often offensively, while players elite at something else are not being used that way enough.

But for me, the real issue is that the players brought to campus are not developed well enough, and that translates to results never seeming to match the talent level.  I could understand a middling record if our talent was subpar, but I just don't believe that has been the case.   

He's coached Texas recently to 8-10 (6th), 8-10 (6th), 9-9 (Tied for third I think), and right now 9-6 (5th).  Granted, this is a very tough conference, but this a 34-35 conference record recently, and anyone can see the recent recruiting Big 12 ranks (2nd, 3rd, 10th because Greg Brown was the only signee, but I'd still say that's solid, and 2nd).  So for me, the real question is if we can find another coach that can maintain, improve, or not go down too much with recruiting talent, but actually coach them to a higher level of performance.  I'd love to hear who that coach might be, because I admit I am sometimes thinking about this more often than I should (when I am supposed to be focused on other things).  Really...love to hear it, lol.  

We all know we are a football school, but I still think the basketball program can reasonably fight for the Big 12 title a lot of years and be a perennial tourney participant...with occasional deep runs with the right combination of luck and talent, etc.  I don't reasonably expect a routine Final Four contender (but it would be nice to end up with a nice Baylor run or in a dream world have two decades of Kansas...) whereas in football I would have higher expectations.   

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6 hours ago, HookEm said:

This is why you have ruined this board. I post that I think we need to fire Shaka, but I simply don‚Äôt think he is as bad as you. Bad enough to fire, but not the anti-christ. Somehow this makes me a Shaka ‚ÄúStan‚ÄĚ.

So you post 4 back to back longcat posts (that I stopped reading after the first paragraph) to tell me I’m wrong.

You are everything wrong with modern society. You push polarizing views and brand people who are moderate as the other polar view. You incite arguments when there are none. You don’t have the intellect to make a concise point so you vomit out 10,000 words of ranting garbage.

Fuck off.

He posts like a political campaign chairman incessantly trying to bludgeon everyone with a singular message. 

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7 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

wrong again. the bracket matrix consensus from last year had Texas nowhere near the tourney. for you to point to last year and say, "we were gonna be in the tourney!" as if it's a)true, and b)in any way reflective of how last year went, is fucking stupid.

Shaka was *done* here with his shitass performance last year until multiple injuries forced him to start playing Kai Jones, Royce Hamm, and Brock Cunningham, who collectively saved his job after his previously abysmal performance with his preferred players. your rose colored picture of every Shaka Smart fuck up is transparent as shit. your motives remain a mystery. either way, stop. 

Define nowhere near the tourney. Because I'm looking at this link and it says something else. 

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Ok I probably overstated 2019. We were 8-10 in conference and had some nice wins. And 6 of our conference losses were by 5 points or less. We were much better than our record as the NIT run showed, but that team was never going to make the tourney with that record.


No point in debating player development. Again, I don‚Äôt think he is ‚Äúgood‚ÄĚ at it, but I also don‚Äôt think he is terrible. Even with the greatest coaches, not every player develops to their potential, so there are plenty to pick as examples to prove the point. I would give Shaka a C here. I mean this year‚Äôs team is basically the same as last year‚Äôs but they are a good bit better.

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Last year we were in a 4-way tie for third in the Big-12. How many 9-9 Big 12 teams have missed the tourney in the last 5 years?

Winning a game in the Big-12 Tournament would have got us in for sure IMO and we closed the year pretty hot.

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5 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Ok I probably overstated 2019. We were 8-10 in conference and had some nice wins. And 6 of our conference losses were by 5 points or less. We were much better than our record as the NIT run showed, but that team was never going to make the tourney with that record.


No point in debating player development. Again, I don‚Äôt think he is ‚Äúgood‚ÄĚ at it, but I also don‚Äôt think he is terrible. Even with the greatest coaches, not every player develops to their potential, so there are plenty to pick as examples to prove the point. I would give Shaka a C here. I mean this year‚Äôs team is basically the same as last year‚Äôs but they are a good bit better.

Shakas' skill set is that he is/was at least a great motivator.  He created a culture while he was at VCU, and surrounded himself with really good X's, and O's guys. Wade (a huge prick, but a pretty good X's and O's guy), and current VCU coach Rhodes (who just won coach of the year for a second time in the A-10) were his 2 main assistants, and they're the ones who made HAVOC work.  His success eroded when they both left. He only had one trick, and that was press, press, press.

He made 2-3 star kids believe they could win. He also made his FF run with most of Anthony Grants recruits. 

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7 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

the last three years:

55-45 overall, 26-25 in the league, and one (upcoming) tourney appearance. excluding that magical NIT run we are 50-45 over the last three years, while being favored in no fewer than 66% of our games.

2019:

back to back home losses to RADFORD and VCU in the non conference. we ended the regular season by going 6-12. SIX AND FUCKING TWELVE. when went 11-18 over our final 29 games, and yet you paint this season as a success. GTFOH.

2020: 

we finished #61 in Kenpom. we finished ranked #153 in AdjO, a nearly impossible feat for a program of our stature, and finished in the mid-low 200's in nearly every major offensive metric tracked by kenpom. and once again, Shaka was proper fucked until dumb luck forced him to play his own outcasts, serendipitously saving his job. and yet you again paint this as a rosy picture. again: FUCK OFF.

2021: do i even have to describe this season? his best, most complete roster ever, one which every poster worth a damn here agrees is a Final Four caliber roster, and yet we find ourselves 5-6 in our last 11, and plummeting in every rating system save the retarded fucking human polls. and yet again, you not only defend, but damn near champion this bullshit and tell us that Shaka really isn't all that bad, and neither are the last three years.

get. the fuck. out of here. you were a clueless know-it-all on shaggy, and changing your posting handle doesn't change the fact that you still don't know shit about fuck when it comes to basketball over here on surly. get over this retarded idea that you're the lone objective poster here (your shtick is so transparent), and kindly fuck off with your ignorant, uneducated bullshit about how everyone here except you is actually wrong when it comes to Shaka. 

What was his shaggy handle?  

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I made this chart just now and think it sums up how I feel about Shaka:

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It shows win% in the Big-12 regular season over all periods of Shaka's tenure here.  Whether you are talking about this year (21), last 3 years (19-21), or entire tenure, Shaka has done no better than 4th vs. his peers... but no worse than 6th. 

Does that mean we should fire him?  Probably.  Does that make him the worst coach in the big 12?  No.  

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2 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Does that mean we should fire him?  Probably.  Does that make him the worst coach in the big 12?  No.  

This is illogical. We are not comparing coaches on an even playing field. Shaka benefits from a school that (despite some limitations with facilities and fan apathy) can recruit at a high level based on brand and location.

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5 minutes ago, Machinator said:

This is illogical. We are not comparing coaches on an even playing field. Shaka benefits from a school that (despite some limitations with facilities and fan apathy) can recruit at a high level based on brand and location.

Do you think Shaka would do worse at ISU, K-State, TCU and Oklahoma than their respective coaches?

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7 hours ago, HookEm said:

This is why you have ruined this board. I post that I think we need to fire Shaka, but I simply don‚Äôt think he is as bad as you. Bad enough to fire, but not the anti-christ. Somehow this makes me a Shaka ‚ÄúStan‚ÄĚ.

So you post 4 back to back longcat posts (that I stopped reading after the first paragraph) to tell me I’m wrong.

You are everything wrong with modern society. You push polarizing views and brand people who are moderate as the other polar view. You incite arguments when there are none. You don’t have the intellect to make a concise point so you vomit out 10,000 words of ranting garbage.

Fuck off.

To be fair, your take was extremely shitty and riddled with inaccuracies and a lack of context. 
 

14 minutes ago, HookEm said:

I made this chart just now and think it sums up how I feel about Shaka:

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It shows win% in the Big-12 regular season over all periods of Shaka's tenure here.  Whether you are talking about this year (21), last 3 years (19-21), or entire tenure, Shaka has done no better than 4th vs. his peers... but no worse than 6th. 

Does that mean we should fire him?  Probably.  Does that make him the worst coach in the big 12?  No.  

Your chart is a really weird attempt to smooth over his tenure by factoring in the 2021 season into every year you show. He’s 49-56 in conference and has only been above .500 twice in his tenure. His best season was with Barnes players. He’s had plenty of time to get his guys in here and his best season so far has us 5th in conference with a loaded roster. He sucks and should be fired. 

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Wut?  I'm not combining 18 and 21 and skipping 19 and 20.  This is last 1 year, last 2 years, last 3 years, last 4, etc.  How is that weird?  Would it be better to just judge him on the 17-19 seasons?

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13 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Do you think Shaka would do worse at ISU, K-State, TCU and Oklahoma than their respective coaches?

Lol Shaka has done worse than Oklahoma almost every season and he’s at the better school. Bruce Weber has had KSU markedly better than us in 3 out of Shaka’s 6 seasons and tied for 1st in the Big 12. Shaka’s never even sniffed that, and he did that at Kansas fucking State.
 

So You’ve shown  that Shaka is better than the two worst coaches in the Big 12, which means absolutely nothing. 

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14 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Do you think Shaka would do worse at ISU, K-State, TCU and Oklahoma than their respective coaches?

I think Prohm is the worst coach in the Big 12, so yes to that.

Weber is a superior tactical coach but his recruiting/roster management is suspect (even accounting for inferior resources and recruiting base). Despite that, he's taken Kansas State to the tourney 5/8 times (excluding the incomplete 2020 season), has won a share of a Big 12 regular season title, and has an (admittedly fluky) Elite Eight run.

Dixon might be worse than Shaka. That said, he inherited a program that played in a high school gym and was in the shitter, and has gone 5-5 against Texas thus far in his tenure.

Kruger is easily the better coach and has done better at a program with less upside than Texas.

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To reframe the discussion:

We should strive to hire a guy who is the best head coach in the Big 12.

We should be very happy if he's the second-best coach.

If he's third- or fourth-best, with our resources, we can achieve success commensurate with the majority of fan expectations.

Shaka is at best the seventh-best head coach in this conference.

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I agree with all of your points except possibly the last one.  I would have Shaka in the 5-6 range.

But it doesn't even matter because that still isn't good enough to retain.

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Having said all that, here's some perspective. The Big 12 has: two Hall of Fame coaches, one of the best young coaches in the country, a slimy git who has nevertheless become a great coach, and a guy who's taken four different programs to a Sweet Sixteen and two to a Final Four. This is a legitimately great conference for basketball coaches.

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4 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Define nowhere near the tourney. Because I'm looking at this link and it says something else. 

that link shows more than half of the projected tourney fields excluding Texas. we couldn't even get into the field in more than half of the projections.

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4 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

He posts like a political campaign chairman incessantly trying to bludgeon everyone with a singular message. 

i'm just responding to what one Shaka Stan incessantly says. he throws a bunch of crap out there with nothing to back it up other than personal sentiment, and i respond to it. that's what this forum is here for. did i go too far? yeah, probably. i was drunk, angry, and tired of his crap. but don't act like i just brought up my own posts out of nowhere. 

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3 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

What was his shaggy handle?  

NEWherebutA&M. pretty sure at one point he also signed up here under that handle and then made like one post, all for plausible deniability. so weird how many posters saw this new site as a chance to escape their posting past.

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2 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

Lol Shaka has done worse than Oklahoma almost every season and he’s at the better school.

I guess. OU is historically a better program than Texas (since like, 1980 at least). Not sure if it's easier to win there or not but I'd think it's pretty close to a wash.

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13 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I guess. OU is historically a better program than Texas (since like, 1980 at least). Not sure if it's easier to win there or not but I'd think it's pretty close to a wash.

Texas has been >>>> OU since TJ. That said, we continue to move further and further away from TJ, KD, and the success we had in tha aughts. OU still hasn't ever caught or surpassed us since then. they're a football powerhouse who no major HS hoops recruit dreams of playing for; an afterthought. we're a football has-been who is still seen as a destination school for top hoops recruits all over the country. there's no question which program is bigger/has more cache.

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as for HE/NE's idea that i "ruin this board" by responding to his incessant championing of Shaka Smart with stats and facts, well, i don't know what to tell you. you keep coming here every single day insisting that everyone else here but you is wrong about Shaka, and eventually i'm going to take the time to respond. if that's your definition of "ruining the board" then find a new board. 

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3 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

Texas has been >>>> since TJ. That said, we continue to move further and further away from TJ, KD, and the success we had in tha aughts. OU still hasn't ever caught or surpassed us since then. they're a football powerhouse who no major HS hoops recruit dreams of playing for; an afterthought. we're a football has-been who is still seen as a destination school for top hoops recruits all over the country. there's no question which program is bigger/has more cache.

Texas definitely gets better players. Maybe that 2016 Final Four is coloring their program a bit better than it actually is for me. And I guess I forgot they got absolutely abused by Nova that year so they weren't really a contender. 

It should be easier to win at Texas - it just hasn't been since Shaka got here. 

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10 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

Texas has been >>>> OU since TJ. That said, we continue to move further and further away from TJ, KD, and the success we had in tha aughts. OU still hasn't ever caught or surpassed us since then. they're a football powerhouse who no major HS hoops recruit dreams of playing for; an afterthought. we're a football has-been who is still seen as a destination school for top hoops recruits all over the country. there's no question which program is bigger/has more cache.

They've been a #1 seed at least twice in recent memory (Hield and Griffin teams). I'm not sure how you arrive at Texas has been >>>> OU since TJ. Especially because they were a #1 seed during the TJ years as well. 

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Just now, Catdaddyhorn said:

They've been a #1 seed at least twice in recent memory (Hield and Griffin teams). I'm not sure how you arrive at Texas has been >>>> OU since TJ.

ask every college recruit, coach, and analyst which program is bigger and get back to me. 

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2 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

They've been a #1 seed at least twice in recent memory (Hield and Griffin teams). I'm not sure how you arrive at Texas has been >>>> OU since TJ.

They've only had 3 guys drafted since Blake and one of those guys was the 54th pick and never did anything. Granted, both Blake and Trae are better than any Texas player since KD.

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i mean what do you think determines which program is "bigger". UCONN is a hoops blue blood with more skins on the wall in the last 20-25 years than all programs save one or two. is UCONN considered a top 3 hoops destination program? nope. because getting a couple #1 seeds, or in this case winning four national titles, isn't what determines how "big" your program is. KU, Kentucky, Sparty, UNC, Duke, Gonzaga, and more schools are still "bigger" programs than UCONN.

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There's no doubt our Q rating is better, but I assumed we were talking about actual results on the court. Going by the metric of which school is more aestetically appealing our Football program is better than all but a few as well. 

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NEWherebutA&M. pretty sure at one point he also signed up here under that handle and then made like one post, all for plausible deniability. so weird how many posters saw this new site as a chance to escape their posting past.

Wrong. And also rich that you criticize people for using a new handle.
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3 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

i mean what do you think determines which program is "bigger". UCONN is a hoops blue blood with more skins on the wall in the last 20-25 years than all programs save one or two. is UCONN considered a top 3 hoops destination program? nope. because getting a couple #1 seeds, or in this case winning four national titles, isn't what determines how "big" your program is. KU, Kentucky, Sparty, UNC, Duke, Gonzaga, and more schools are still "bigger" programs than UCONN.

Burt used the term better school. Not bigger program. OU has absolutely been better at basketball than Texas the past 10ish years. Before the aughts they were better as well. 

Granted, his point was tied to what a coach should be expected to do, and I'd agree that it should be easier to win at Texas because the caliber of players we have gotten has been in a different tier than OU for at least 15 years now. 

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21 minutes ago, HookEm said:


Wrong. And also rich that you criticize people for using a new handle.

not wrong. and someone came here and took my handle and was posting and pretending to be me before i could actually use my own handle. i've never hidden who i was to duck criticism. 

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