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16 minutes ago, markstanco said:


It was one game, that happens at times. UCLA comes to mind.

True but I’d be willing to bet Gundy is toast.  Bill did lose 55-0 to OU in Bill Snyder family stadium so yes, it happens ha 

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1 hour ago, PGFrog said:

You are a bit confused on Patterson's scheduling before joining the B 12.  

They would play anyone big conference school that would schedule them and that includes Texas, OU, Nebraska, LSU, Ohio State, Tech, Baylor, Arizona,  and Oregon State and not those Baylor teams were with Briles and the Tech teams were with the Pirate, so not exactly the soft touches you lumped us in with and also note Texas, OU, and Nebraska were all at those schools.  

Re-read the post. The enabler for the strategy is being a member in a conference with a good media deal. That doesn’t apply to TCU until 2012, and I see a lot of SMU, FCS schools and bottom feeder P5 schools (Sure, throwing an LSU). 

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Do you think Snyders model would work in this era?

No and it’s not working. Their media “partners” are on Their asses about crappy scheduling, not wanting to subsidize B12 September schedules of unwatchable games. You’re seeing, for the first time, these schools play conference games in week 1. 
 
The other thing is the need for revenue, to fund the program competitively. That’s a problem, and it’s going to get worse. That’s why Cody Campbell wants a shared media deal. 

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The very first Big XII game ever was in Week1.

Try again.  The declarative bullshit is bullshit.

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9 hours ago, Incredulity said:

IMPO the current status quo won't last that long.  

40mil/year in NIL vs. 7mil over 3 is making this so top heavy(I don't know if Gundy is dollars and cents accurate, but it certainly is directionally so).  The top 30 or so teams are going to SuperLeague this thing or something.  

IMPO?

In My Puny Opinion?

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1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

True but I’d be willing to bet Gundy is toast.  Bill did lose 55-0 to OU in Bill Snyder family stadium so yes, it happens ha 

Oh I totally agree he will be forced into retirement and go out with pride. Damn good coach with little to work with with you guys in Norman gobbling up all the big recruits. My point was 69-3 was weird and very unlikely again. 
 

I used with twice in a row. 

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More info on the donor trip to Oregon with the AD

https://tulsaworld.com/sports/college/osu/article_e5b52d96-8964-4088-bb64-cd601983ff68.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

 

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It was a roll of the dice, taking important donors and university personnel to the Pacific Northwest for the Oklahoma State-Oregon football disaster.

Had the Cowboys played well in a close loss, or played extremely well in an upset victory, this exercise would have been regarded as having been strategically brilliant.

Instead, there was a 69-3 Cowboy loss, and now there are these questions.

 

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Might such a demoralizing outcome have a pronounced and possibly disastrous effect on athletics fund-raising?

Has Cowboy athletic director Chad Weiberg been working without a contract for two months because he won’t receive a new contract?

Among donors, does a head-coaching change feel (A) possible, (B) likely or (C) certain?

From conversations with informed supporters of Oklahoma State University athletics, there are these answers.

 

 

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Fund-raising: The flow of donations might dry up if OSU doesn’t make leadership changes. Mike Gundy’s approval rating was damaged last November, when he was critical of fans. His 2024 team was 0-9 in the Big 12.

Gundy’s Cowboys are winless in their last 10 meetings with FBS opponents. In OSU’s last two games against FBS teams – Colorado and Oregon – the combined final score was 121-3.

Since midseason 2022, the overall Oklahoma State football record is 16-20.

Weiberg’s contract: The Tulsa World was told weeks ago that the 53-year-old Weiberg would be getting a new contract. His original four-year, $750,000-a-year situation expired on June 30.

Now, from a different source: “There’s a reason (a new contract) hasn’t gotten done, and that’s because it’s not getting done. I would be surprised if Chad is around to hire a new coach.”

That second sentence is a spoiler on the third question — the Gundy question: The answer on that one is an emphatic (C) — that the 2025 Cowboys are Gundy’s 21st and final Oklahoma State football team.

It is said that one donor is ready to deliver a heavy, eight-figure contribution — specifically for football revenue sharing — but not before a coaching change is made.

For the reasons I shared in the Sunday Tulsa World, there doesn’t seem to be a strong push to fire the 58-year-old Gundy now. It would be pointless. OSU doesn’t have the type of roster that an interim coach could lead to a flurry of great performances and victories.

And also, of course, Gundy is synonymous with Oklahoma State football.

For 35 of his 58 years on this planet, Gundy has been a Cowboy football figure: four seasons as a quarterback, six as an assistant coach, four as Les Miles’ offensive coordinator and 21 as the mostly successful and occasionally very successful head man.

Most donors are fine, I’m told, with letting Gundy finish the season and negotiate a reasonable number on exit money — or stand strong on a demand for the full amount, believed to be about $15 million. Gundy would end his coaching career and begin his television career.

Again from sources: Within the network of donors, the most talked-about of OSU coaching candidates are 38-year-old Zac Robinson, a former Cowboy quarterback who today coordinates the Atlanta Falcons’ offense; and Todd Monken, who coordinated the Brandon Weeden-Justin Blackmon offense during the 2011 Cowboys’ run to the Big 12 title. The 59-year-old Monken now is the Baltimore Ravens’ offensive coordinator.

If there is a coaching change, I would nominate Oregon offensive coordinator Will Stein as someone who commands attention. He’s a Kentucky native who in 2008-12 was a Louisville quarterback.

Long before the Ducks’ offense scored eight touchdowns against OSU, Stein was established as a rising star – destined to get a Power Four head-coaching opportunity. He seems to be what many schools want in a head coach: someone who is wired for offense, someone who is young (35) and someone who is polished and does well in media settings.

Presumably, Stein has Texas connections. As recently as 2019, he coordinated the offense at Lake Travis High School in the Austin area.

The Oklahoma State athletic director situation is delicate because Weiberg still is recovering from an Aug. 2 open-heart surgery.

If a change in the AD’s office is inevitable — as has been stated recently by multiple sources — it would happen after Weiberg has more time to get stronger and wrap his mind around the disappointment of losing the No. 1 role in the athletic department of his alma mater.

And if a Weiberg change happens before the university has identified its next athletic director, is there a chance that former OSU AD Mike Holder might agree to a short-term return to that job?

Holder is a phenomenal fund-raiser and was the athletic director in 2005-21 — the period during which OSU evolved into a football school.

It is said that several donors would “heavily” support the hiring of an athletic director, Wren Baker, who currently oversees the athletics operation at West Virginia.

Baker is a Valliant native who graduated from OSU in 2003, and during his time in Stillwater was a four-year member of the Cowboy basketball program’s support staff.

Before moving to West Virginia in 2022, Baker was the Rogers State athletic director in 2006-10. He was a deputy AD at Memphis and Missouri before working as the North Texas athletic director in 2016-22.

Baker is said to have the combination of traditional organizational abilities and fresh ideas on fund-raising and marketing.

The OSU-Oregon football trip was hosted by Weiberg and OSU President Jim Hess. A group of Board of Regents members and donors boarded a chartered jet and traveled from Stillwater Regional Airport on Thursday. They returned from Eugene on Sunday.

On Saturday, Weiberg, Hess and their guests were witnesses to one of the worst games in Cowboy program history.

In this week’s Associated Press poll, the Ducks received one first-place vote. After rolling for 631 total yards and making it look easy against a completely hapless OSU squad, Oregon looked like the best team in college football.

Oklahoma State’s next game is a home game — a Sept. 19 clash with the University of Tulsa. For Gundy, Weiberg and the whole of the OSU community, it’ll be a sobering Friday night if there are 15,000 empty seats.

 

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Iceman said:

The very first Big XII game ever was in Week1.

Try again.  The declarative bullshit is bullshit.

That was a Texas-Missouri game, idiot! No one is questioning Texas’ willingness to have a difficult schedule.

 
You seem to have forgotten- we were in the B12 for 29 years. We saw how the IR8 teams free-rode the contract, using the first month as tune up games, scheduling FCS. It’s only now that ESPN and Fox are letting the league know what a loss leader it is that the conference is asking schools to give a little up in scheduling. 

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I ran the Stassen database. From 1995-2023, Texas Tech scheduled three Sunbelt teams, eight WAC, 16 CUSA, 10 AAC, 10 MWC, 11 Big West, five PAC, three ACC, and seven SEC. So, an average of 2.5 FCS and G5 teams, and .5 P5 teams per season. 
 
Thats ok, though. The media contract wasn’t valued on the Tech viewer contribution, anyway. Then. 

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