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Posted (edited)
15 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

Damnint!!!!

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‘The Architect of the Whole Plan’: Harvard Law Graduate Ken Chesebro’s Path to Jan. 6

On Jan. 6, Kenneth J. Chesebro was seen outside the Capitol wearing a red “Trump 2020” hat as rioters amassed around the building, according to CNN. But two decades earlier, in Bush v. Gore, Chesebro worked extensively under liberal legal scholar Laurence H. Tribe to craft a legal justification to recount votes in Florida.

He won't be the only Harvard grad on his cell wing for long.  Guess what? ANOTHER black woman will be pulling his degree.  Say "hello" to Claudine Gray, Harvard University President:

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Posted
8 hours ago, safe sex said:

Literally any other person would be locked up, right?

Not necessarily no.  A single violation of a gag order -- and tbh this really isn't a separate violation -- probably gets you a fine and a warning that the next one may put you in jail for a few days.

Sometimes, something resembling a gag order is part of your bail/pretrial release conditions.  Yeah, violate that and you may get sent back to the pokey, especially in the federal system.

But when the gag order is separate from bail/release conditions, the order of punishment is usually as follows:  fine, bigger fine, jail.

Also, some federal judges, but not all of them, do not suffer fools and are more likely to do something harsh first time out of the box.

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What happened is a screenshot of the offending "Truth" that Trump had deleted was still on his MAGA website. Meidas found it and now the judge is not pleased.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

I think this is actually what he wants at this point.  Spend a night in a cell and get his base all riled up.  He paints himself as a victim and the right froths.

He doesn't want to go to jail. He does this shit because he thinks he can get away with it and fundraise.

He fucked up and is finding out.

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Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I think this is actually what he wants at this point.  Spend a night in a cell and get his base all riled up.  He paints himself as a victim and the right froths.

Honestly, I hope that Engoron doesn't do it.

I might guess here's what happens:  Trump will claim it was inadvertent and it will be difficult to prove otherwise.  If he's jailed for any length of time, he may seek a writ of habeas corpus and that might be granted on the ground that it's not a "new" violation of the order and in any case not purposeful.  And then he will claim vindication and Engoron hopelessly biased etc.

Seemingly, there will be other opportunities for Trump to get his tit in the wringer for more clear cut violations.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Honestly, I hope that Engoron doesn't do it.

I might guess here's what happens:  Trump will claim it was inadvertent and it will be difficult to prove otherwise.  If he's jailed for any length of time, he may seek a writ of habeas corpus and that might be granted on the ground that it's not a "new" violation of the order and in any case not purposeful.  And then he will claim vindication and Engoron hopelessly biased etc.

Seemingly, there will be other opportunities for Trump to get his tit in the wringer for more clear cut violations.

I think it really was inadvertent and he and his lawyers didn't even know it was there.

The problem is he's lost any benefit of the doubt. 

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Posted
Just now, The Dog said:

I think it really was inadvertent and he and his lawyers didn't even know it was there.

I think so too and he's not going to be jailed for that.

Posted
21 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Honestly, I hope that Engoron doesn't do it.

I might guess here's what happens:  Trump will claim it was inadvertent and it will be difficult to prove otherwise.  If he's jailed for any length of time, he may seek a writ of habeas corpus and that might be granted on the ground that it's not a "new" violation of the order and in any case not purposeful.  And then he will claim vindication and Engoron hopelessly biased etc.

Seemingly, there will be other opportunities for Trump to get his tit in the wringer for more clear cut violations.

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Posted
30 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I think this is actually what he wants at this point.  Spend a night in a cell and get his base all riled up.  He paints himself as a victim and the right froths.

Counter point...  he goes to jail and the same loud 1% just make noise and nothing happens.  Either way it's the jail that suffers.

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38 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Honestly, I hope that Engoron doesn't do it.

I might guess here's what happens:  Trump will claim it was inadvertent and it will be difficult to prove otherwise.  If he's jailed for any length of time, he may seek a writ of habeas corpus and that might be granted on the ground that it's not a "new" violation of the order and in any case not purposeful.  And then he will claim vindication and Engoron hopelessly biased etc.

Seemingly, there will be other opportunities for Trump to get his tit in the wringer for more clear cut violations.

I don't want him going to jail for this because then I'll be all ...

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I'm trying to last until he actually gets put away forreals.

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I actually believe Trump's lawyer when he blames the campaign for being so disorganized they don't know what is on their own website. Not excusing it but does anyone think Trump hires/appoints people that will in turn hire a competent team?

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Must suck for Chesebro to see the last of his co-defendants plead guilty, just as jury selection is starting.

Which I'm glad to hear. Hopefully he doesn't seek a plea because I want to hear Sydney Powell tell all on the stand.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Interdasting.

Really hope they're giving up the goods, bigtime, bro.

If, as many suspect, this was the RICO strategery all along, it seems to be working.

I know some pleas are pursued/accepted by the prosecution because even they might believe their case is weak. While maybe that's possible here, I presume that Chesebro and Powell didn't believe that. They don't seem like the type to back down easily. 

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Felony plea for Cheesebro!

Jordon loses more votes on the 3rd try

 

Trump has to be tired of #winning

 

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“Stepping back, we can see that the commitment to actual facts is the reason why Powell’s plea and Willis’s entire case — along with that of Special Counsel Jack Smith’s — matter so much. Avalanches occur when the bonds between layers of snow are weak. So too, in successful prosecutions of collaborators, the pace of guilty pleas quickens after the first bonds that tie co-conspirators together give way under the weight of evidence.” https://themessenger.com/opinion/sidney-powell-guilty-plea-deal-georgia-fani-willis-trump-giuliani-prosecution

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8 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

Hopefully he gets some time.

5 years probation, $5K, letter, community service.  And he's filing his plea as a first time offender so at the end of his probation, he can legally claim that he was never convicted.

However I would assume that state bars will have an issue with a felony. Or is that not a big deal. non-lawyer here.

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2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I think this is actually what he wants at this point.  Spend a night in a cell and get his base all riled up.  He paints himself as a victim and the right froths.

HE absolutely does not want to go to jail at any point.  He'll bluster and bluff, but jail is the last thing this douche wants.  

Posted (edited)
17 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

5 years probation, $5K, letter, community service.  And he's filing his plea as a first time offender so at the end of his probation, he can legally claim that he was never convicted.

However I would assume that state bars will have an issue with a felony. Or is that not a big deal. non-lawyer here.

Oof the felony is conspiracy to file false documents.

Texas almost automatically suspends (in the case of a non-conviction, deferred arrangement like this) or disbars (straight-up conviction by plea or trial) those with felony convictions.  I imagine most states are similar (in fact, know they are with some variation, at least as of about 20 years ago).

There is a slight bit of wiggle room in Texas in the event the felony is not one of moral turpitude, which generally means directly impacts one's fitness to practice law.  But filing false documents is most likely not going to be one of those offenses.

Of course, AFAIK he's not licensed in Texas, but I think the licensing/discipline schemes are pretty similar nationwide.

So, this plea highly likely jeopardizes his law license.  He must have been quite fearful of a conviction.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

 

Imagine some one so arrogant that they post a drawing of Jesus next to them.  If Obama or Biden did something like this, evangelicals would be flipping out about how sacrilegious this is portraying. Instead, I would think many would buy this trump  art for their mantle.

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1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Imagine some one so arrogant that they post a drawing of Jesus next to them.  If Obama or Biden did something like this, evangelicals would be flipping out about how sacrilegious this is portraying. Instead, I would think many would buy this trump  art for their mantle.

Now imagine Obama in a tan suit

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