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27 minutes ago, victory88 said:

I'm not taking sides here man.  Who said Iran is absolved from funding Hamas and the crimes they have committed?  It's okay to hold both sides accountable, you know that right? 

As it pertains to Iran, for what, exactly, does Israel need to be held accountable?

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2 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

As it pertains to Iran, for what, exactly, does Israel need to be held accountable?

Do you just read what you want to read?  Where did I state Israel needs to be held accountable for Iran?  I've made multiple posts stating they need to be held responsible for their actions with Gaza.  I've also stated that the US does not need to risk lives or waste tax payer dollars to back this conflict between Iran and Israel.

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You can't strike another country unless that country is about to attack you first. Iran was not going to attack Israel, so as much as there are valid criticisms one could have about Iran, Israel's attack on Iran violated international law.

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2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

You can't strike another country unless that country is about to attack you first. Iran was not going to attack Israel, so as much as there are valid criticisms one could have about Iran, Israel's attack on Iran violated international law.

Iran launched ballistic missiles at Israel in April and October of 2024.  Or is there like a 3 month return fire limitation and then its like it didn't happen?

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1 minute ago, babysdaddy said:

Iran launched ballistic missiles at Israel in April and October of 2024.  Or is there like a 3 month return fire limitation and then its like it didn't happen?

And do you know why that happened?

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7 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

The geopolitics guys I've listened to, Ian Bremmer and Peter Zeihan, both think regime change will be very tough to accomplish because the IRGC effectively run the country. 

Yeah, the US would be happy to have a free, secular, and stable Iran. But you run into a similar thing to the debaathification problem in that any semblance of civil society or technocratic ability has been concentrated in the clerical-military repression apparatus. There’s no bench or shadow opposition to step in and do it. 

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21 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

You can't strike another country unless that country is about to attack you first. Iran was not going to attack Israel, so as much as there are valid criticisms one could have about Iran, Israel's attack on Iran violated international law.

Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq say hello....

"War is a racket"

 Smedley D. Butler, 1935

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26 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Do you just read what you want to read?  Where did I state Israel needs to be held accountable for Iran?  I've made multiple posts stating they need to be held responsible for their actions with Gaza.  I've also stated that the US does not need to risk lives or waste tax payer dollars to back this conflict between Iran and Israel.

You strongly suggested it when you stated you wanted both sides held accountable. 

28 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

You can't strike another country unless that country is about to attack you first. Iran was not going to attack Israel, so as much as there are valid criticisms one could have about Iran, Israel's attack on Iran violated international law.

So Israel was going to attack Gaza on October 8, 2023, and that’s why 10/7 occurred?

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59 minutes ago, 'stache said:

The President of the United States is tweeting like a teenager in matters of international conflict involving nuclear armament. India's PM also had to fact check him in real time today when he lied about solving their recent scuffle with Pakistan. But let's not comment on any of it because CLOAK ROOM! How fucking pathetic.

Expect a strongly worded post from Rexy Snowflake anytime now. 

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A point I made earlier. Reminds me of the Iraq invasion. Buddy with the 3ID called me one night said we are going in. I said wait to see the UN resolution. His replies "you don't move this much shit for nothing." 

Yeah, he was right. I was optimistic. 

 

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2 hours ago, Pasken said:

War Is great for ratings, especially in the summer.

I would normally agree to that, but we already saw the comments being sent out to various people and organizations in support of it, and Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham are out in public making the case to attack Iran (along with other Republicans who are making the rounds).  

I don’t think those things happen in a vacuum. 

I hope I’m wrong but this is feeling like Iraq in late 2002/early 2003.  The fact that Israel cleared a lot of pieces off the board is probably making some people a little more eager than they might have been. 

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1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

A point I made earlier. Reminds me of the Iraq invasion. Buddy with the 3ID called me one night said we are going in. I said wait to see the UN resolution. His replies "you don't move this much shit for nothing." 

Yeah, friends told me months in advance that we were going to go into Iraq because of how much was being moved and prepared.  

I think the biggest tell is Republican legislators hitting up the circuit and making the case. They are not spontaneously doing that on their own.  

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Seems like there's some last-ditch shuttle diplomacy going on involving Iran, Oman. Egypt, and China. Probably too late but worth keeping an eye on what, if anything, comes out of this meeting that Iran has denied attending.

These are all posts from the AP's updates in chronological order, starting early this morning.
https://apnews.com/live/israel-iran-attack-conflict-updates

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6 hours ago, Royalfan5 said:

It seems wildly optimistic that we'd sustain follow through aid for even 6 weeks. 

I stated much earlier let the Arab states provide the aid. The international red Crescent for instance. It cannot be US. We just open the port. 

Love it or hate it, no one does logistics better than the DOD. We could have the airports operational in 24 hours, contract all the local trucking companies. It would take the UN and NATO a few months of meetings to decide who was in charge of what and the missions official language. 

Make Jebel Ali Airport as the air hub. Right near it is the UN and US assistance warehouses. There is a lot of medicine and food in there. The scenario it was designed for is a tent city for 100K and provision of food, cooking fuel (including small stoves) and water purification units. Iran is not that bad (yet). 

We open, they provide, Iranians move at the Regional level. 

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9 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

A point I made earlier. Reminds me of the Iraq invasion. Buddy with the 3ID called me one night said we are going in. I said wait to see the UN resolution. His replies "you don't move this much shit for nothing." 

Yeah, he was right. I was optimistic. 

 

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4 hours ago, bolverk said:

He was pretty vocal over the weekend about a governor and former VP candidate suggesting that China might be a good mediator but was utterly silent when the current president suggested Putin, as were a couple of other posters.

 

It's impossible to keep up with the dumb shit spewing from his mouth, so it got past me. Your creepy fixation is duly noted. 

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11 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

I stated much earlier let the Arab states provide the aid. The international red Crescent for instance. It cannot be US. We just open the port. 

Love it or hate it, no one does logistics better than the DOD. We could have the airports operational in 24 hours, contract all the local trucking companies. It would take the UN and NATO a few months of meetings to decide who was in charge of what and the missions official language. 

Make Jebel Ali Airport as the air hub. Right near it is the UN and US assistance warehouses. There is a lot of medicine and food in there. The scenario it was designed for is a tent city for 100K and provision of food, cooking fuel (including small stoves) and water purification units. Iran is not that bad (yet). 

We open, they provide, Iranians move at the Regional level. 

Are you not concerned that under current leadership, a lot of that expertise has been stripped? Does the DOGEing of our foreign aid programs and capabilities not present a problem?

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2 minutes ago, royiv said:

Are you not concerned that under current leadership, a lot of that expertise has been stripped? Does the DOGEing of our foreign aid programs and capabilities not present a problem?

too cloak room!

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

Iran did 10/7 just like Saddam did 9/11 right?

Another fallacy. Links between 10/7 and Iran are undeniable. I’ve said nothing about Saddam and 9/11. You’re not good at this. 

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15 minutes ago, troph said:

I thought we were supposed to ignore everything trump says?  

Nah you can acknowledge it but can’t voice an opinion. The way message boards were designed. 

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Below is a good but somewhat long piece on the current and historical aspects of internal forces at play within Iran.

Israel-Iran updates: Khamenei warns US strikes will have serious consequences

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June 18 (Reuters) - Iran's ruling establishment is under intense pressure from Israeli strikes that continue to target senior figures, the security apparatus and the state media.

However, despite repeated bouts of nationwide protests stretching back decades, Iran's opposition is fragmented among rival groups and ideological factions and appears to have little organised presence inside the country.

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Here are some opposition groups or blocs:

MONARCHISTS

Iran's last shah, Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, fled in 1979 as the revolution took hold. He died in Egypt in 1980.

His son, Reza Pahlavi, was heir to the Peacock Throne when the dynasty was ousted and, now based in the United States, he calls for regime change through non-violent civil disobedience and a referendum on a new government.

However while Pahlavi has plenty of admirers in the Iranian diaspora who support a return to the monarchy, it is uncertain how popular that idea might be inside the country.

Most Iranians are not old enough to remember life before the revolution and the country looks very different to the one Pahlavi's father fled 46 years ago.

While many Iranians look back with nostalgia on that pre-revolutionary era, many others also recall its inequalities and oppression.

Meanwhile there are splits even among pro-monarchist groups.

PEOPLE'S MUJAHIDEEN ORGANISATION

The Mujahideen were a powerful leftist group that staged bombing campaigns against the Shah's government and U.S. targets in the 1970s but ultimately fell out with the other factions.

The group is often known by its Persian name, the Mujahideen-e Khalq Organisation, or by the acronyms MEK or MKO.

Many Iranians, including sworn enemies of the Islamic Republic, cannot forgive it for siding with Iraq against Iran during the war of 1980-88.

The group was the first to publicly reveal in 2002 that Iran had a secret uranium enrichment programme, but it has shown little sign of any active presence inside Iran for years.

In exile, its leader Massoud Rajavi has not been seen for more than 20 years and his wife, Maryam Rajavi, has taken control. Rights groups have criticised it for what they call cult-like behaviour and abuses of its followers, which the group denies.

The group is the main force behind the National Council of Resistance of Iran, led by Maryam Rajavi, which has an active presence in many Western countries.

ETHNIC MINORITY GROUPS

Iran's mostly Sunni Muslim Kurdish and Baluch minorities have often chafed against rule from the Persian-speaking, Shi'ite government in Tehran.

Several Kurdish groups have long organised opposition to the Islamic Republic in the western parts of the country where they form a majority, and there have been periods of active insurgency against government forces.

In Baluchistan, along Iran's border with Pakistan, opposition to Tehran ranges from supporters of Sunni clerics seeking to carve out more space for their followers within the Islamic Republic to armed jihadists linked to al Qaeda.

When major bouts of protest have spread across Iran, they have often been fiercest in Kurdish and Baluchi areas, but in neither region is there a single, unified opposition movement that poses a clear threat to Tehran's rule.

PROTEST MOVEMENTS

Hundreds of thousands of Iranians have taken to the streets in mass protests at successive points for decades.

After the 2009 presidential election, demonstrators filled Tehran and other cities accusing the authorities of rigging the vote for the incumbent Mahmoud Ahmadinejad against rival candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi.

Mousavi's 'Green Movement' was crushed and he was put under house arrest, along with political ally and former parliament speaker Mehdi Karoubi.

The movement, which sought democratic reform within the existing system of the Islamic republic, is now widely seen as defunct.

In 2022 major protests again gripped Iran centred on women's rights. The Woman, Life, Freedom demonstrations continued for months but without resulting in an organisation or leadership and many of the protesters were ultimately arrested and jailed.

 

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Trump keeps world guessing about US military action on Iran

Sometime our Potus is absolutely correct.

Link of Info Summation Up to Current

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WASHINGTON/DUBAI/JERUSALEM, June 18 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump kept the world guessing on Wednesday whether the U.S. will join Israel's bombardment of Iranian nuclear and missile sites, as residents of Iran's capital streamed out of the city on the sixth day of the air assault.

Speaking to reporters outside the White House, Trump declined to say if he had made any decision on whether to join Israel's campaign. "I may do it. I may not do it. I mean, nobody knows what I'm going to do," he said.

In its latest bombings, Israel said its air force destroyed Iran's police headquarters.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in a video released by his office on Wednesday, said Israel was "progressing step by step" towards eliminating threats posed by Iran's nuclear sites and ballistic missile arsenal.

"We control the skies over Tehran. We are striking with tremendous force at the regime of the ayatollahs. We are hitting the nuclear sites, the missiles, the headquarters, the symbols of the regime," Netanyahu said. The prime minister's office published a photo showing Netanyahu convening his cabinet and said it was meeting on Wednesday evening.

He also thanked Trump, "a great friend of the state of Israel", for standing by its side in the conflict, saying the two were in continuous contact.

Trump has veered from proposing a swift diplomatic end to the war to suggesting the United States might join it. In social media posts on Tuesday, he mused about killing Khamenei, then demanded Iran's "UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!"

A source familiar with internal discussions said Trump and his team were considering options that included joining Israel in strikes against Iranian nuclear installations.

Iran's mission to the United Nations mocked Trump in posts on X, describing him as "a has-been warmonger clinging to relevance."

Israel's military said scores of Israeli jets had struck targets in and around Tehran and in western Iran in the previous 24 hours in three waves, hitting sites producing raw materials, components and manufacturing systems for missiles.

"We are focusing on Tehran. Among the targets we attacked was the site of a centrifuge manufacturing site crucial to the Iranian regime's attempt to enrich uranium," Israeli military spokesperson Brigadier General Effie Defrin said.

FLEEING TEHRAN

Arezou, a 31-year-old Tehran resident, told Reuters by phone that she had made it out of the city to the nearby resort town of Lavasan.

"We will stay here as long as this war continues. My friend’s house in Tehran was attacked and her brother was injured. They are civilians," she said. "Why are we paying the price for the regime’s decision to pursue a nuclear programme?”

In Israel, sirens rang out anew at dusk on Wednesday warning of further incoming Iranian missiles. There were no immediate reports of serious damage, while a motorist was injured by missile debris, Israeli medics said.

The army later advised civilians they could leave protected areas, signalling the threat had passed.

At Ramat Gan train station east of Tel Aviv, people were lying on city-supplied mattresses or sitting in the odd camping chair, with plastic water bottles strewn about.

"I feel scared, overwhelmed. Especially because I live in a densely populated area that Iran seems to be targeting, and our city has very old buildings, without shelters and safe spaces," said Tamar Weiss, clutching her four-month-old daughter.

Iran has reported at least 224 deaths in Israeli attacks, mostly civilians, but has not updated that toll for days.

In Israel, the Iranian missile salvoes mark the first time in decades of shadow war and proxy conflict that a significant number of projectiles fired from Iran have penetrated defences, killing Israelis in their homes.

Since Friday, Iran has fired around 400 missiles at Israel, some 40 of which have pierced air defences, killing 24 people, all of them civilians, according to Israeli authorities.

Two U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said a U.S. military flight out of Israel on Wednesday was used to evacuate some embassy personnel.

LEVERAGE

Iran has been exploring options for leverage, including veiled threats to hit the global oil market by restricting access to the Gulf through the Strait of Hormuz, the world's most important shipping artery for oil.

Inside Iran, authorities are intent on preventing panic and shortages. Fewer images of destruction have been allowed to circulate than in the early days of the bombing, when state media showed pictures of explosions, fires and flattened apartments. A ban on filming by the public has been imposed.

The communications ministry said on Wednesday that temporary restrictions on internet access would be imposed to help prevent "the enemy from threatening citizens' lives and property".

Iran's ability to hit back hard at Israel through strikes by proxy militia close to Israeli borders has been limited by the devastating blows Israel has dealt to Tehran's regional allies - Hamas and Hezbollah - in conflicts in Gaza and Lebanon since 2023.

 

Posted
14 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Another fallacy. Links between 10/7 and Iran are undeniable. I’ve said nothing about Saddam and 9/11. You’re not good at this. 

If it really was Iran's fault, are you admitting that all the civilian deaths in Gaza were war crimes?

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2 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

Yes because it’s wholly irrelevant. In the eyes of nobody, except you and Fantana. 

Why don't you keep my name out of your fucking smarmy Bill Maher ass mouth when I haven't even posted all day? The fuck is wrong with you? You report every single post I make that even tangentially mentions you and you still can't stop yourself from mentioning me every time you get into a fight with someone about Israel?

Do I really occupy that much space inside your dome? Get help and leave me alone, dawg!

I don't want to engage you anymore because you don't have any emotional self control when it comes to anything to do with the Middle East or any criticism of Trump. It's exhausting and I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way!

There's serious shit going on right now and you guys can't stop shitting up the thread arguing about 10/7 and bringing up petty personal grievances. Stop it!

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