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PHOENIX — Arizona delegates to the Republican National Convention gathered this month in a Phoenix suburb, showing up to get to know each other and learn about their duties.

Part of the presentation included a secret plan to throw the party’s nomination of Donald Trump for president into chaos.

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The instructions did not come from “Never Trumpers” hoping to stop the party from nominating a felon when delegates gather in Milwaukee next month. They instead came from avowed “America First” believers hatching a challenge from the far right — a plot to release the delegates from their pledge to support Trump, according to people present and briefed on the meeting, slides from the presentation and private messages obtained by The Washington Post.

The delegates said the gambit would require support from several other state delegations, and it wasn’t clear whether those allies had been lined up. One idea, discussed as attendees ate finger-foods, was for co-conspirators to signal their allegiance to one another by wearing matching black jackets.

The exact purpose of the maneuver was not clear — and left some delegates puzzled and alarmed. People familiar with the meeting, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations, said that perhaps the intent was to block an undesirable running mate. Most of the dozen GOP officials or activists interviewed by The Post even ventured that the aim may have been to substitute former national security adviser Michael Flynn for Trump if the former president is sentenced to prison time. Among some on the far right, suspicions have intensified that the former president has surrounded himself with too many advisers beholden to the “deep state.”

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Whatever the goal, the Trump campaign rushed to head off the stunt and replace the delegates. One campaign staffer involved in the cleanup described it to at least two Republicans as an “existential threat” to Trump’s nomination next month, two people familiar with conversations told The Post. To another Republican, the staffer described the scenario discussed by the Arizona delegates, however unlikely, as being “the only process that would prevent Trump from being the nominee.”

The episode in Arizona — a swing state where Republicans have been gripped by especially strong doubts about the integrity of elections — unfolded mostly out of sight.

The campaign and the Arizona delegates reached an agreement that there would be no disruptions at the convention. Still, suspicions lingered about other state delegations, according to a campaign official who wasn’t authorized to speak publicly. He declined to elaborate.

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The fracas exposed the challenges of choreographing next month’s convention in Milwaukee, where some 5,000 delegates and alternates will participate — many of them inclined toward the falsehoods and conspiracy theories that animate many of Trump’s supporters.

“See this is what happens in a war between Good and Evil,” Chris Hamlet, one of the Arizona delegates involved in the plan, told other delegates in a private messaging chat. “We’re never going to get along and hold hands and sing kumbaya, that’s just not how it works.”

The 2016 Republican convention briefly descended into a shouting match during a short-lived bid by Trump’s Republican opponents to derail his nomination. This time, the Trump campaign has worked quietly and steadily to line up delegates who are unswervingly loyal Trump fans, just in case any of his defeated primary opponents try to disrupt the proceedings.

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Delegates this year include at least one organizer of the rally that preceded the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, as well as individuals who are being prosecuted for participating in a strategy that falsely declared Trump had won their states in 2020.

Even so, suspicions have circulated among Trump’s supporters that covert saboteurs have somehow infiltrated their ranks. At the Georgia GOP convention in May, one would-be delegate withdrew after being accused of having lobbied for Dominion Voting Systems, a frequent target for false claims of fraud in the 2020 election.

“I have had to spend far too much time dealing with intra party power struggles, and local intra party animosities,” Illinois Republican Party Chairman Don Tracy said in a resignation letter this month. “We have Republicans who would rather fight other Republicans than engage in the harder work of defeating incumbent Democrats by convincing swing voters to vote Republican.”

Next month’s convention is supposed to be a pro forma affair, a made-for-television event where the delegates put their stamp on a decision already made by Republican primary voters, who overwhelmingly backed Trump this year.

That’s what has made the presentation in Arizona about changing the rules so baffling, according to GOP officials and activists who were interviewed for this story.

“Suspending of the rules would then allow an open forum to consider alternate candidates to Trump,” one person involved in the state’s delegate drama said.

Several other Republicans involved in the discussions suggested motives that revolved around the same idea: money.

“I suspect that they really don’t want us to win … they’re making money on the election integrity stuff,” a Republican said of efforts by activists aligned with some of the most far-fetched conspiracy theories of fraudulent balloting. “They make money when we lose.”

A GOP committeeman sports a Trump 2024 cowboy hat autographed by Arizona politicians. (Rebecca Noble for The Washington Post)

The group of delegates that caused alarm with the Trump campaign was led by Shelby Busch, chair of the Arizona delegation and leader of a political action committee she helped create in 2020.

The group, the We the People AZ Alliance, has raised nearly $1 million, according to state campaign finance records. The group is closely aligned with Senate candidate Kari Lake (R) and is funded largely by entities linked to prominent election deniers such as Flynn and Patrick Byrne, a former Overstock.com executive who is no longer affiliated with the company.

On Tuesday, Byrne wrote in a post on X that Trump, based on some of his endorsements, “is still surrounded by DEEP STATE nobodies” who tell the former president to choose a vice president that won’t overshadow him. “In two weeks Trump is going to be either in jail or under house arrest,” Byrne wrote. “His VP needs to be a General.” The post tagged Flynn’s social media profile.

Busch convened the June meeting where another delegate and party activist, Joe Neglia, gave a presentation that included information on a maneuver to suspend the convention’s rules and take over the proceedings from the floor, according to those present or briefed on the meeting. Neglia declined to comment.

When the Trump campaign heard about the meeting, a staffer started working with local party officials and activists to recruit new delegates to replace the six who had gathered.

“The leaders of this group, Shelby Busch and Joe Neglia, are engaged in a multi-state conspiracy to suspend the rules at the national convention,” the campaign said in a memo outlining the plan to recruit new delegates and swear them in instead of the six.

Busch’s bloc responded by accusing those challenging their status of being part of “an anti-Trump establishment group,” seeking to sabotage Trump from within his own campaign and the RNC.

“This is an orchestrated effort by our political adversaries using the same vile Democrat tactics on display against our beloved President Trump,” her group said in a statement this week. “The Arizona grassroots Patriots that love our President Donald Trump overwhelmingly voted for our delegation because they know us and our work in Arizona to save our state and our country, our unwavering support for Trump, and they know they can trust us to vote for Trump even if he is incarcerated.”

(Trump is scheduled to be sentenced in New York on 34 felony convictions on July 11, a few days before the convention starts.)

On Thursday, Busch reached an agreement with the campaign that Neglia would step aside, the other delegates could remain, and there would be no revolt on the floor, according to people familiar with the conversations. That resolution defused the threat, but it left some of the volunteer replacements feeling jilted for having stepped up to help the campaign, taken heat and then cast off.

“It was campaign- and RNC-driven,” said one of the recruited replacements. “There was no reason for any of us to do this other than to help the campaign.”

Another volunteer said in a private chatroom message obtained by The Post that the “juvenile rhetoric used toward fellow delegation members” was disappointing to him. “These actions were done at the request of the candidate we are all legally bound and proud to nominate in a few weeks.”

Campaign political director James Blair moved to smooth things over with a public statement thanking them for their service and praising their loyalty to Trump, while also announcing Busch’s commitment to cooperate with the campaign.

“It’s not just a question of loyal Trump support, it’s willingness to not do anything that could distract from the historic nomination and celebration of President Trump, which is a four-day commercial,” the campaign official said. “There’s Trump supporters on all sides. Sometimes people want to use that forum to fight about little things, and we don’t want that. We don’t want anything that could distract.”

Meanwhile, the Arizona Republican Party chair wrote to fellow conservatives that the delegation’s private chat had become its own distraction.

“I’m closing the thread,” the post said. “It’s hurting the ability to function as a team.”

 

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38 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I mean, fuck around and find out.  Brisket knows how this ends.


They want the house reps to decide the vote or state house. 

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1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

Democracy must be saved …

 

Here’s the thing. He doesn’t give two shits if anybody votes in 2025, 2026 or 2028 because THIS IS ALL ABOUT HIM! If he wins in November, he can make the most harmful cases to him go away with the wave of a hand. Then he’ll go about enriching himself and maybe his family in the next four years. If he’s still alive, and still enjoying what he’s doing, he might decide to stay in the Oval Office until death. I don’t think he really cares about Project 2025 — he’s playing the game in order to get elected because that’s what saves his ass, which is all he really, really cares about.

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29 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yeah, but that’s not how this ends 


They already have the judges picked. they’ll claim fraud and fake votes in all the battle Ground states. R’s fully believe their Supreme Court will agree and then it goes to the house 

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15 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


They already have the judges picked. they’ll claim fraud and fake votes in all the battle Ground states. R’s fully believe their Supreme Court will agree and then it goes to the house 

If he were the sitting president maybe. Biden will ignore any SCOTUS ruling like that. Harris will certify the election and that will be it

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30 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

If he were the sitting president maybe. Biden will ignore any SCOTUS ruling like that. Harris will certify the election and that will be it


hopefully

resurrection 2.0 will be much better organized and more violent 

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8 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:


hopefully

resurrection 2.0 will be much better organized and more violent 

 

Yep.  Pretty sure this ends with full-blown fascism or an insurrection that makes everyone forget about 1/6.  I feel like a lot of people think that as long as Biden wins, everything's going to be okay; this is the election that determines the future of American democracy.  The problem is that the very well-armed and pissed-off horde that Fox News has been grooming for about 3 decades isn't going anywhere either way.

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Y’all do know who is going to be commander-in-chief next January, right? if there is any kind of violent insurrection, and it is not immediately put down with lethal force, the fault will be squarely on Biden and Harris

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7 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Y’all do know who is going to be commander-in-chief next January, right? if there is any kind of violent insurrection, and it is not immediately put down with lethal force, the fault will be squarely on Biden and Harris

Gravy Seals vs the military 

I know who I’m putting my money on 

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I get that they'll target election officials, politicians, people with Biden yard signs, et. al.  But what I don't get is where this is all taking place?  Are they thinking they're going to attack government buildings?  Military bases?  Homes of elected officials?  Polling stations (after the fact, which is weird because once the results are certified---those places long since cleared out)?  

I mean, I guess some lunatic can open fire on a shopping mall or church, but in the end-most of the know that doesn't really affect any political change. 

Like, is there a group of Proud Bois/Oathkeepers/MAGA militia standing around a map somewhere in East Texas, plotting, "Okay, if the certification doesn't go our way---we hit 'em hard and fast.  Here, Here, and Here.  That'll show 'em we mean business."

"Um, Doug?  That's a Nacogdoches Arby's, a Port Arthur Dollar General, and Fort Hood.  What's the long-game plan here, sir?"  

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Now imagine Biden loyalist units fighting with units that have decided to be loyal to Trump.

They want Loving county, Montgomery County, and Aransas Pass, let them have it. We will have the cities.  When their insulin runs out and the SSI checks stop they’ll lay down their arms. 
 

Edit I just realized you were talking about military infighting. How many lieutenant colonels can there really be?

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42 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Now imagine Biden loyalist units fighting with units that have decided to be loyal to Trump.

What the fuck are Biden loyalists?

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8 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

What the fuck are Biden loyalists?

This. They’re loyal to America and their oath. Not some fat fuck traitor 

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Were any of the Jan 6 convicts active duty military? You do not fuck around w the uniform military code of justice. 
 

You would need a flag officer (probably more than one) to rebel. Given they would likely be executed for that if it failed, they would have to be almost certain they would prevail for it to happen. 
 

How would the logistics even work? You would have to put in place a system to rally junior officers loyal to you (and have troops under their command). That would be very hard to keep under wraps. Plus it’s not going to be Mike Flynn’s brother or anyone like him anywhere near DC November to January 

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5 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

UFC fighters v. migrants?  Oh, c'mon, he couldn't be that dumb.

 

It’s like the Ryder Cup but for morons

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Yeah, Biden is the dictator. Not the guy who says he'll be a dictator. Also Biden throws his name on everything because he just wants to make money. Also he wears stupid long ties and dyes his face orange and wants to fuck his daughter.

So god damn sick of these people. 

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37 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Just the worst fucking people

 

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"Let me move on and let you skate away with your blatant lying."

Fucking useless press.

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43 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Just the worst fucking people

 

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I’m glad she refuted his bullshit with facts and then instead of letting him prattle on moved to the next topic 

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31 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I’m glad she refuted his bullshit with facts and then instead of letting him prattle on moved to the next topic 

I would've liked her to force him to address his "Biden is solely responsible for high inflation" lie.

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3 hours ago, aggie08 said:

What the fuck are Biden loyalists?

exactly. I don't know one person who thinks Biden is the best president ever.  I think he's done an exceptional job with what he inherited, but no president is perfect. hasn't happened yet. probably never will. he's done way better than I expected and my only qualification for voting for him (and will be again) is it's a vote against trump. 

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4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


Now imagine Biden loyalist units fighting with units that have decided to be loyal to Trump.

I am mentally prepared for a significant amount of the military to sit this out or switch sides.

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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

I would've liked her to force him to address his "Biden is solely responsible for high inflation" lie.

I don’t think the GOP has passed a single bill to combat inflation in 18 months. 

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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

I would've liked her to force him to address his "Biden is solely responsible for high inflation" lie.

Of course. But in actuality when you give them a chance to respond, they just blather on more nonsense and try to get more talking points in. Better to end it with a fact and move on. I do wish they would preface the rebuttal with “that was a lie“, but I don’t think they will ever do that

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27 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I don’t think the GOP has passed a single bill to combat inflation in 18 months. 

 

13 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

yet inflation is biden's fault.

 

Right, they're not gonna pass anything to help the situation, because then they couldn't hammer Biden with it during the campaign.  See also: the border crisis and literally every other problem.  

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I know there is a dis/misinfo thread somewhere but I couldn't find it. anyway, i had a heartbreaking interaction with a good buddy of mine from Houston. Former dnb dj now chocolatier. His music got popular enough he played some massives in europe. now an entrepreneur, he seems to be running with some people that are definitely feeding him bullshit. He's what I would call smart but undereducated, and much like the voting the populace does little to no fact checking of the information he's been fed. anyway, we were heading to Lost Well to grab a pint and catch up and he says, "You know Biden wants to fuck his daughter, right" I, of course, corrected him. And then he followed with Biden wishing there more aircraft carriers in the civil war (or whatever the dumb shit dotard said back in the day). Again, I told him Trump said that, not Biden. Finally, he was like something, something Biden crime family and I kinda lost it. I'm not proud of how I handled myself, but I was not prepared to hear that bullshit from him. I thought,- and this was probably my error - that he was smarter than that. After cooling down and apologizing for my behavior I told him he needs to check his sources from now on. He assured me that he wasn't planning to vote for Trump, but then listed some 3rd party candidate I've never heard of. I started to say that's as good as a vote for drumpf, but I decided to bite my tongue. so frustrating how well disinfo, every accusation, and both sides arguments work on the intellectually lazy. I don't see a way to combat it. in the age of ALL the information at our fingertips, we still allow lies to go unchecked. maddening.

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1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I know there is a dis/misinfo thread somewhere but I couldn't find it. anyway, i had a heartbreaking interaction with a good buddy of mine from Houston. Former dnb dj now chocolatier. His music got popular enough he played some massives in europe. now an entrepreneur, he seems to be running with some people that are definitely feeding him bullshit. He's what I would call smart but undereducated, and much like the voting the populace does little to no fact checking of the information he's been fed. anyway, we were heading to Lost Well to grab a pint and catch up and he says, "You know Biden wants to fuck his daughter, right" I, of course, corrected him. And then he followed with Biden wishing there more aircraft carriers in the civil war (or whatever the dumb shit dotard said back in the day). Again, I told him Trump said that, not Biden. Finally, he was like something, something Biden crime family and I kinda lost it. I'm not proud of how I handled myself, but I was not prepared to hear that bullshit from him. I thought,- and this was probably my error - that he was smarter than that. After cooling down and apologizing for my behavior I told him he needs to check his sources from now on. He assured me that he wasn't planning to vote for Trump, but then listed some 3rd party candidate I've never heard of. I started to say that's as good as a vote for drumpf, but I decided to bite my tongue. so frustrating how well disinfo, every accusation, and both sides arguments work on the intellectually lazy. I don't see a way to combat it. in the age of ALL the information at our fingertips, we still allow lies to go unchecked. maddening.

You should have murdered him. That would've shown him. 

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8 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Y’all do know who is going to be commander-in-chief next January, right? if there is any kind of violent insurrection, and it is not immediately put down with lethal force, the fault will be squarely on Biden and Harris

Prepare for disappointment. Unless maga somehow implements a “get behind the darkies” plan, no lethal force will be used. Again. 

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5 hours ago, Red Five said:

Yeah, Biden is the dictator. Not the guy who says he'll be a dictator. Also Biden throws his name on everything because he just wants to make money. Also he wears stupid long ties and dyes his face orange and wants to fuck his daughter.

So god damn sick of these people. 

The only answer to anything is “every accusation is a confession”. It started out as a veiled strategy, where most of it could be hand waved off as a coincidence. Now?  There is no other explanation. 

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