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7 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Also the mainstream media is desperate for an uptick in viewership and ad dollars, and nothing like Biden being replaced as a Presidential candidate gets the higher-ups wetter. They're helping for the wrong reasons, but they will not let this go for one minute. 

Yep.  And most of the ownership wants a Trump win. 

The media is and will be complicit in the downfall of this country.  They have turned presidential elections into popularity contests. 

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2 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

here's an example of selecting framing to set the narrative:

 

Godfuckingdamnit. 

But more proof the MSM is gonna keep pushing Biden out as the Nielsen ratings continue to go up. 

 

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Also, he has a firm prediction that Putin and Bibi will escalate their wars in October to help Trump win.

The fascists have won. Buckle up. Because if you’ve read any books, you know what comes next. None of it is good.

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Also, he has a firm prediction that Putin and Bibi will escalate their wars in October to help Trump win.

The fascists have won. Buckle up. Because if you’ve read any books, you know what comes next. None of it is good.

* Maybe

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

For anyone thinking about the 25th Amendment, has a single cabinet member come out and said Joe Biden is unfit for office?

As a historical norm, infrequently though it might be, when the cabinet meets to even discuss the 25th or actually vote on it---it is not made public ahead of time.  From Ford to myriad Presidents having medical issues or undergoing anesthesia...they simply let us know afterwards.  The tricky part here is there are 1000 cameras on them right now.  So much as a handful of them are seen together, the chaos begins. 

What you may see happen is Biden is encouraged to call a cabinet meeting at the WH to assure his team he is of full capacity.  They exchange chit-chat for 30 minutes, he is then informed, "Remember Mister President, we have that photo-op and quick chat with the XYZ group in the Blue Room."  All rise, Joe walks out, and the Cabinet sits back down and all cameras are turned off.  

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While this is so dark and awful I do find it kinda funny that Trump really has no interest in doing the job of president, he hates it, he was miserable with actual responsibility, and you can tell he’d much rather be on the sidelines shit stirring. 

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57 minutes ago, baboso said:

Campaign finance rules create an incentive for Mr. Biden to stay in the race through the Democratic National Convention in August. At that point, but not before, Mr. Biden would be able to transfer his campaign’s anticipated $100 million war chest to Vice President Kamala Harris, assuming that she, too, is still on the ticket.

 

Can she be on the ticket as a VP?  Or does she have to be P?  Not necessarily advocating for one or the other, just curious what options there are.

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19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

As an update, I’m spending this week with someone who used to work for Biden, and still crosses paths with him from time to time. In 2020, while he thought that Biden had lost a step, he was still plenty sharp. Today…he thinks Biden is toast…he’s personally seen his decline over a one year period or so. He doesn’t think his judgment is impaired, he thinks Trump is much more mentally deficient…but Biden looks and sounds frail, not just in the debate. He also thinks we’re totally fucked. I agree with the last part.

I am buying lots and lots of ammo.

That's how it seems to me.  Over the last year or so, he'd likely lost a step or two (or three) and his inner circle hid that from most people, hoping they could run out the clock.  That's why the Democrats seem mad and rightfully so.  Hell, I'm mad.  As a Democratic voter, I would have liked the chance to pick the nominee with full information.  Yet, here we are and the Biden family will not go down well in history for this.

Also agree that we're fucked unless the Democrats do something in the next few weeks.

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From a close family member: Deeply, deeply concerned about Biden's fitness to hold office. "Thankfully, no one really believes all those lies about Trump being a felon are true." 

Just kill me now.

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5 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

That's how it seems to me.  Over the last year or so, he'd likely lost a step or two (or three) and his inner circle hid that from most people, hoping they could run out the clock.  That's why the Democrats seem mad and rightfully so.  Hell, I'm mad.  As a Democratic voter, I would have liked the chance to pick the nominee with full information.  Yet, here we are and the Biden family will not go down well in history for this.

Also agree that we're fucked unless the Democrats do something in the next few weeks.

We're fucked either way.  It's like a team that walked into a game with game plan X.  At halftime, they're down 42-3.  We can stick with the gameplan and hope that it somehow clicks, or we can change the game plan.  But none of that changes the fact that the odds are way against us getting out of a 39 point hole, and it's challenging as shit getting your team to learn and implement a new gameplan during halftime.

We are going to just hand the keys to the Republic over to openly proud fascists, and we are going to get everything we deserve, ten-fold.  

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

We're fucked either way.  It's like a team that walked into a game with game plan X.  At halftime, they're down 42-3.  We can stick with the gameplan and hope that it somehow clicks, or we can change the game plan.  But none of that changes the fact that the odds are way against us getting out of a 39 point hole, and it's challenging as shit getting your team to learn and implement a new gameplan during halftime.

We are going to just hand the keys to the Republic over to openly proud fascists, and we are going to get everything we deserve, ten-fold.  

Who is Frank Reich in this situation?

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

We're fucked either way.  It's like a team that walked into a game with game plan X.  At halftime, they're down 42-3.  We can stick with the gameplan and hope that it somehow clicks, or we can change the game plan.  But none of that changes the fact that the odds are way against us getting out of a 39 point hole, and it's challenging as shit getting your team to learn and implement a new gameplan during halftime.

Sounds like the Dems need to nominate Vince Young, with Colt McCoy as VP.

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24 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Can she be on the ticket as a VP?  Or does she have to be P?  Not necessarily advocating for one or the other, just curious what options there are.

FEC laws are pretty clear on the whole ticket using the money not from PAC's.  PAC money can slide around more fluidly from person to person.  As discussed, a campaign can refund donors.  Doesn't happen very often.  But you can legally say, "Thank you for your donation, Mr. XYZ is no longer running for office.  Here is your money back.  We strongly hope you will consider sending it back to new candidate Mrs. ABC."  Somebody's gonna have to eat a bunch of shit in credit card processing fees, and you'll see significant attrition...I'm guessing only 70% of the net amount gets 're-donated', but between PAC money and if that other new candidate already has a war chest from another lower office, they can slide that on over to beat Trump.  It's messy and time-consuming, but a far better option that a drawn-out, messy convention for the whole world to see.  

6 minutes ago, Red Five said:

From a close family member: Deeply, deeply concerned about Biden's fitness to hold office. "Thankfully, no one really believes all those lies about Trump being a felon are true." 

Just kill me now.

I've noticed a trend that's caught on with them that's working.  It went from "I know/I believe" or "Real Americans know/believe", something like that.  But now they're all using the same blanket language of "Nobody thinks Biden is fit" or "Everybody knows the election was rigged."  I don't if it came from Fox or Trump speeches, but it wasn't as categorically used just a few years ago.  Obviously it gives them comfort to think that 'Nobody thinks differently than I do' or 'Everybody knows what my research says is true!'  And then 10 seconds later, it's "Biden and 50% of this country are trying to destroy it!"  Does everybody even know that?  

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We're fucked either way.  It's like a team that walked into a game with game plan X.  At halftime, they're down 42-3.  We can stick with the gameplan and hope that it somehow clicks, or we can change the game plan.  But none of that changes the fact that the odds are way against us getting out of a 39 point hole, and it's challenging as shit getting your team to learn and implement a new gameplan during halftime.

We are going to just hand the keys to the Republic over to openly proud fascists, and we are going to get everything we deserve, ten-fold.  

Your halftime analogy is on point.  However, just restart the game.

 

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We're fucked either way.  It's like a team that walked into a game with game plan X.  At halftime, they're down 42-3.  We can stick with the gameplan and hope that it somehow clicks, or we can change the game plan.  But none of that changes the fact that the odds are way against us getting out of a 39 point hole, and it's challenging as shit getting your team to learn and implement a new gameplan during halftime.

We are going to just hand the keys to the Republic over to openly proud fascists, and we are going to get everything we deserve, ten-fold.  

The marginalized groups in this country that will suffer the most don't deserve it at all.

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

The marginalized groups in this country that will suffer the most don't deserve it at all.

Well, see, I count "them" as "us."  We are all the people.  And we the people seem dead-set on fucking self-immolation.  We are indeed doing this to ourselves.  The idiotic icing on that cake is that even the idiots who think they're doing it to other people, that there is a viable "us v. them" dichotomy?  They're doing it to themselves as well -- their lives will not get better.  They will get worse.  They will eventually find themselves in the crosshairs as well.

It is the stupidest of all possible paths.  And we are on it with supercharged intensity and dedication.

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8 minutes ago, statsman said:

Politics aside, Harris should be already sworn in as president, and sending a VP name to be confirmed in Congress. 

Let's unburden her from what has been

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I've got a small savings fund going that will hopefully be enough to get me out of the country a little before, during, and after inauguration day. At least if daily life would quit kicking me in the face

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47 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

here's an example of selecting framing to set the narrative:

 

Yeah, knowing the full quote, doesn't change anything.  

At best that's a hedge.

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45 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yep.  And most of the ownership wants a Trump win. 

The media is and will be complicit in the downfall of this country.  They have turned presidential elections into popularity contests. 

Well America is basically one big high school, so it tracks.

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Too much momentum against Biden with too short of a runway.  He’s done.  It’ll feel a lot better to see a more virile candidate lose to Trump if that’s the outcome, because it’s the obvious best choice.

I don’t think George Clooney should be president or anything, but I have read quite a bit on him, and I do think he is an extremely intelligent person with high relative integrity, so the fact that he’s come out against Biden is damaging.

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25 minutes ago, Red Five said:

From a close family member: Deeply, deeply concerned about Biden's fitness to hold office. "Thankfully, no one really believes all those lies about Trump being a felon are true." 

Just kill me now.

My mother in law kept getting visibly upset with me whenever I would refer to trump as "the criminally fraudulent child rapist". But she has LOADS to say about how concerned she is about Biden's age.

We furked

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1 minute ago, Captainant said:

My mother in law kept getting visibly upset with me whenever I would refer to trump as "the criminally fraudulent child rapist". But she has LOADS to say about how concerned she is about Biden's age.

We furked

"There wasn't any proof at all. They just convicted him so that he wouldn't be president." Because that's what Jesse Watters told her.

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6 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Well America is basically one big high school, so it tracks.

Presidential elections being popularity contests is my dumbed down idealization of direct democracy. I think it's why we call it a "popular vote". Like the one Hillary won in 2016.

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

I actually kind of like the strategy of Dems keeping things close to the vest during the RNC. Forces them to scrap or at least hedge the anti-Biden talking points while at the same time plan for someone else entirely. There's no benefit to Biden dropping out before the RNC.

They’ll have plenty of fire trained on Kamala, because even if Joe stays at the top of the ticket, people understand he won’t stay there for four years if they win.

1 hour ago, Okie State said:

This is one of the more depressing threads I've read. We're fucked.

Thread title out front should have told you. 

32 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Who is Frank Reich in this situation?

That’s the problem, nobody can agree on who that is.  What does it say about how people on Capitol Hill regard Kamala’s chances that they haven’t coalesced around her when they obviously think Biden has no shot?

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could you imagine how fucking stupid it was to force the debate issue and do a debate this fucking early in the process? I keep going back to that, it's like the largest unforced error in politics that I can ever remember. 

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2 hours ago, baboso said:

Follow the money.  From the WSJ:

Campaign finance rules create an incentive for Mr. Biden to stay in the race through the Democratic National Convention in August. At that point, but not before, Mr. Biden would be able to transfer his campaign’s anticipated $100 million war chest to Vice President Kamala Harris, assuming that she, too, is still on the ticket.

If Mr. Biden drops out before the Democratic Party formally makes him its nominee, then Federal Election Commission rules dictate that no more than $2,000 of any campaign funds that he raised may be transferred to any other candidate, including Ms. Harris. The Federal Election Campaign Act governs what a presidential campaign may do with “excess campaign funds,” which is what the money left in the Biden for President campaign will legally be considered if he is no longer a candidate. Those excess funds may be contributed in an unlimited amount to the Democratic National Committee or an independent expenditure committee. Presidential campaigns may also contribute such funds to other federal campaigns, subject to contribution limits, which are $2,000 per election.

In short: Before the nomination officially goes to Mr. Biden, his campaign is limited to donating $2,000 to the Democratic nominee, whether that new standard bearer is Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer or Ms. Harris.

 

It's been reported that Kamala Harris would be able to simply take over and have the entire Biden-Harris campaign war chest and infrastructure at her disposal because, to grossly oversimplify it, her name is on the campaign and she is a part of it already. Is that not the case?

1 hour ago, immamac said:

I mean what does Biden have to do to get the keys taken away from him? Seriously what would have him staring straight at a 25th amendment forced removal? How bad must he fuck up to not be viable? 

 

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

From Section 4 of the 25th Amendment: "Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

 

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

For anyone thinking about the 25th Amendment, has a single cabinet member come out and said Joe Biden is unfit for office?

 

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

As a historical norm, infrequently though it might be, when the cabinet meets to even discuss the 25th or actually vote on it---it is not made public ahead of time.  From Ford to myriad Presidents having medical issues or undergoing anesthesia...they simply let us know afterwards.  The tricky part here is there are 1000 cameras on them right now.  So much as a handful of them are seen together, the chaos begins. 

What you may see happen is Biden is encouraged to call a cabinet meeting at the WH to assure his team he is of full capacity.  They exchange chit-chat for 30 minutes, he is then informed, "Remember Mister President, we have that photo-op and quick chat with the XYZ group in the Blue Room."  All rise, Joe walks out, and the Cabinet sits back down and all cameras are turned off.  

For one, Democrats are not going to 25th a sitting POTUS. For two, that wouldn't actually change anything about his status as the presumptive nominee.

42 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

 

Not with Trump on the ballot it's not. I buy the downballot race thing though.

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

could you imagine how fucking stupid it was to force the debate issue and do a debate this fucking early in the process? I keep going back to that, it's like the largest unforced error in politics that I can ever remember. 

It will only be an unforced error if Biden remains the nominee.  It may not be likely, but it is possible the decision-makers forced it early to expose Biden with enough time to make a change.

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1 minute ago, Snake Diggity said:

It will only be an unforced error if Biden remains the nominee.  It may not be likely, but it is possible the decision-makers forced it early to expose Biden with enough time to make a change.

No it's not. This isn't 1920. Party politics doesn't work like this anymore. The decision-maker in the decisions of whether and when to debate was Joe Biden.

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1 minute ago, Snake Diggity said:

It will only be an unforced error if Biden remains the nominee.  It may not be likely, but it is possible the decision-makers forced it early to expose Biden with enough time to make a change.

no one has a problem with biden being re-elected or winning. the problem is the optics. He could have just stayed the course in the basement. Done a few speaking engagements and let his success do the talking. Instead now we have this media circus and shitshow which force the hand.

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No it's not. This isn't 1920. Party politics doesn't work like this anymore. The decision-maker in the decisions of whether and when to debate was Joe Biden.

this is the crazy part, biden was talking mad shit and knocked himself out cold on the playground.

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10 minutes ago, immamac said:

could you imagine how fucking stupid it was to force the debate issue and do a debate this fucking early in the process? I keep going back to that, it's like the largest unforced error in politics that I can ever remember. 

It was evident at the time, and many here expressed skepticism at the idea.  My fear though was that it would easily generate a few meme viral clips, not that Joe would be a walking corpse.

There are ways to hide whatever is happening to Joe.  A debate puts ALL of the bad shit front and center.

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16 minutes ago, immamac said:

could you imagine how fucking stupid it was to force the debate issue and do a debate this fucking early in the process? I keep going back to that, it's like the largest unforced error in politics that I can ever remember. 

I don’t know why it was done. There are a couple of theories.
 

But anyone who has ever been around someone suffering some type of mental decline has to know you can’t manage what they will do in public. I took my aunt to the grocery store shortly after her diagnosis. It was a shitshow. She kept insisting out loud that HEB (Austin) wasn’t going to let her  leave the store.

Kept telling customers that if you are from Dallas they won’t let you leave the store. She’d never done that before or I would never have taken her to the store with me. On the drive home she was rocking back and forth crying saying, “Coco (my nickname) what’s wrong with me? My brain doesn’t work. Just run me over with your car. I can’t make my brain work.”

 You can’t manage what someone who might be in some type of mental decline will do. You can’t. There is no way to predict it. You can give them a teleprompter. Put a voice in their ear. Give them note cards. But once the decline starts hastening you can’t predict what will happen even if you are right there next to them. I wish it were not this way. But it’s where we appear to be. Kindest thing would be for every senate and house dem demand a meeting with him tonite. Tell him to drop out. Tell him he has no choice. That’s all I can think to do. Depressing af. 

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