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1 minute ago, linux said:

@quigley Yeah, I don't see evidence of MAGA, but the point is if he can't vote then nobody needs fucking voter ID to vote.

If you're talking about Dabo, I'm extrapolating from White Southern hyper-religious football coach = Trump voter (not that 1 vote in SC matters).

Mostly i was joking because nothing is at stake in SC this year.

Bigger point, we certainly agree, voter ID is a voter suppression tool.

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1 minute ago, BevoAbyss said:

Nah ... Trump was racist and fascist in 2016 and 2020. Just because you didn't see it, does not mean Trump was not a fascist. All that was needed was to truly open your eyes and mind and know some history. 

-- People in my artsy-intellectual circles were saying he was fascist -- Mussolini style -- during the 2016 campaign. I was saying it in 2016. Almost no one believed us. 

-- 99.99999% of American were in denial. Hell, even today, the vast overwhelming majority of Americans, media, and pundits are in denial. "Trump is a fascist" is not said in the polite worlds of legacy, mainstream media, corporate boardrooms, art museum cocktail parties, church socials, and so on.  

-- In 2016, the American Exceptionalism myth blinded everyone, still does for most. The Apprentice Show was a BS smoke screen "You're Fired!!" was code for "Fuck You! I am a dictator." 

-- in 2020, Trump was leading a mass death campaign -- via Covid -- and no one was saying it is fascist. But it was. Don't forget, the early deaths were in heavily populated urban Democratic areas.

Since 2016, has been continually acting like a fascist dictator... baby steps beginning in 2016. Well, let's see no one is stopping me, so let's ramp it up into 2020 and beyond. No one has stopped him yet, so he's dialed up to full-on Fascist, 100% all the time.

--  Musk was watching all this and said, why not, I will publicly be the fascist I am on the inside.

Bottom line: Trump is a fascist, was a fascist, and will always be a fascist -- by any dictionary definition.

The larger problem is why so much of America refused to believe what was right before their eyes. And now it might be too late. 

 

Trump was a fascist in 2016, he is a neo nazi now.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

More than likely is that she voted and will now find fraud with her vote being cast…by her. But her stupidity is in publicizing it. More of her ilk will think she is smart and want to do it themselves. Thus her future fraud claims will not be as impactful. 

Voting for Kamala to own the liberals. 

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I'd like to thank @Hook1997 for validating my theory:

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And there was a time in our history where policies like free school lunch WERE actually new and very progressive. Hell, there was a time in our history where public education was new and very progressive. People quite literally fought and died to have a weekend.  The whole idea about what is "moderate" or in the "center" isn't actually about any specific policies at all but about how most people want to view themselves. Most people aren't comfortable thinking of themselves as part of an extreme and so they don't want to support ideas that people around them who they like and respect think are extreme.

The right built up such a big right-wing propaganda machine that they managed to convince millions of people that feeding kids at school is dangerous extremism.  Tons of communities now believe that because it's what the people they trust on TV say and what their friends and family and neighbors say. But that's actually a very easy bubble to pierce and you do it like Walz has: when challenged on it you stand firm and say something like "what a monster, kids got food and now can learn!" It's easy to show there's not some great harm in feeding kids, and it's not like it's too fucking expensive.  There are all sorts of other issues like this too that the Dems should be more aggressively championing instead of running away from, but the prior generation of Democratic leadership was too traumatized from coming up under Reaganism too know how to fight.

 

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3 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

So you got fucking nothing. You can't name one fucking policy, one fucking piece of legislation to prove your stupid fucking point. There is no middle for one reason and one reason only: the right has gone fucking looney tunes and is so far right, anything middle would look to be right of fucking Hitler. 

Not arguing the last part at all.  But literally democrats themselves in polls say they have moved more left.  What part of that are you so angry about?  Like what’s making this visceral reaction happen?  Everything ok at home?  The fact you use fucking so many times proves you won’t listen to any logical argument of a view you don’t agree with obviously.  

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24 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

I’m not freaking arguing Trump isn’t an extremist at all.  Just the fact that both parties have gone more away from center, that’s it.  Which with polls of democrats since Clinton have proved. The other side I don’t even need to quote articles to prove obviously. I don’t understand why wanting both parties to be more center is a bad thing. The fact you have people like @Dahobbs and @Brisketexan negging anything they don’t agree with kinda proves my point.  

American Democrats, in 2024, are much further right than pretty much any major liberal party in any other first world country. I'm not even sure it's debatable. 

What a completely asinine attempt at a point.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Oh, and on that Chili's thing, I know I'm early, but as a Cavalry Scout I felt that I should go check it out in advance.

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pace yourself dude

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Posted (edited)
1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

ga counties extending voting hours because of non-credible bomb threats. 

I'm honestly shocked there wasn't more of this in places like Detroit and Philly. 

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Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

Nah ... Trump was racist and fascist in 2016 and 2020. Just because you didn't see it, does not mean Trump was not a fascist. All that was needed was to truly open your eyes and mind and know some history. 

-- People in my artsy-intellectual circles were saying he was fascist -- Mussolini style -- during the 2016 campaign. I was saying it in 2016. Almost no one believed us. 

-- 99.99999% of American were in denial. Hell, even today, the vast overwhelming majority of Americans, media, and pundits are in denial. "Trump is a fascist" is not said in the polite worlds of legacy, mainstream media, corporate boardrooms, art museum cocktail parties, church socials, and so on.  

-- In 2016, the American Exceptionalism myth blinded everyone, still does for most. The Apprentice Show was a BS smoke screen "You're Fired!!" was code for "Fuck You! I am a dictator." 

-- in 2020, Trump was leading a mass death campaign -- via Covid -- and no one was saying it is fascist. But it was. Don't forget, the early deaths were in heavily populated urban Democratic areas.

Since 2016, has been continually acting like a fascist dictator... baby steps beginning in 2016. Well, let's see no one is stopping me, so let's ramp it up into 2020 and beyond. No one has stopped him yet, so he's dialed up to full-on Fascist, 100% all the time.

--  Musk was watching all this and said, why not, I will publicly be the fascist I am on the inside.

Bottom line: Trump is a fascist, was a fascist, and will always be a fascist -- by any dictionary definition.

The larger problem is why so much of America refused to believe what was right before their eyes. And now it might be too late. 

 

My feeling is that it was mostly hyperbole at the time and his fat lazy ass really didn't do much while in office to follow through on that bullshit, not to mention that he was clearly told no multiple times by people in his own administration, in the military, and in congress. Jan 6 was the first time his words truly turned into something resembling a banana republic with a true coup attempt and a legitimate act of fascism, trying to stay in power against the will of the people. Which why so many of us are just befuddled that he not only got the nomination without any pushback but that he's considered a legitimate contender.

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Posted
Just now, henrygandorf said:

ga counties extending voting hours because of non-credible bomb threats. 

3 polling locations were impacted, 30 min extensions.  All threats deemed non credible.  

Posted
11 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Voted about 11:30 in light-blue Birmingham suburb. Clicking along efficiently, I asked the poll workers how busy it was, they showed me the numbers on the machines, about double the usual.

No drama, even though I cosplayed wearing my replica Union Army belt buckle.

Saw one woman walk out from voting with a smile like she'd sent an abusive ex to prison.

Checking Instagram later, my local artsy friends are swarming the polls, some standing in hour-long lines. Maybe all the other people in those lines are Trumpy. Maybe they aren't.

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I expected a Colonel Sanders suit.

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Posted
Just now, 'stache said:

Which why so many of us are just befuddled that he not only got the nomination without any pushback but that he's considered a legitimate contender.

Yeah. I kind of got it in 2016 and 2020.

Now I just have to accept people want fascism and coup attempts.

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Posted
1 hour ago, immamac said:

Wife is a nervous wreck. She put her nerves to rest by doing this.

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SHE IS BEAUTY, SHE IS GRACE

This. This is why...  ah, nevermind.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

I can think of some. LGBTQ+ stuff like allowing gay marriage and being nice to trans people.

Abandoning free trade to an extent and going back to aiding Unions...to an extent. Trying to raise the national minimum wage. Doing some things to fight climate change.

Stuff like that.

All things that I like and I support but I guess if you are a 1990s type Democrat who wants big crime bills, free trade bills, and cozying up to big business you might be annoyed.

The Democrats have actually been a bigger champion of free trade than the GOP, especially since Trump (e.g., tariffs). Aiding unions has been a core Democratic policy for a fucking hundred years, that isn't a shift to the goddamn left. Neither is raising the minimum wage a shift. The fucking minimum wage was established in fucking 1938 and hasn't kept up with inflation at all. That isn't a shift to the left. The EPA was founded in 1970, in part to fight climate change (just not specifically global warming). That isn't a shift to the left. If anything, the Democrats have been a lot more lukewarm on these traditional "left" policies over the last 20 years, so I'd call that a shift to the center. 

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24 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

I’m not freaking arguing Trump isn’t an extremist at all.  Just the fact that both parties have gone more away from center, that’s it.  Which with polls of democrats since Clinton have proved. The other side I don’t even need to quote articles to prove obviously. I don’t understand why wanting both parties to be more center is a bad thing. The fact you have people like @Dahobbs and @Brisketexan negging anything they don’t agree with kinda proves my point.  

Everyone is on edge about false equivalencies. And it is a false equivalency that the GOP has moved as far right as the Dems have moved left. I think that's what is pissing people off with your posts.  Certainly the tangible effects of those moves have been greater on the right (Jan. 6th, Charlottesville).  And before you say "yeah, but the George Floyd/Minneapolis and Kenosha riots," those were in response to actual police brutality and murder; worthy reasons to be up in arms unlike a fake stolen election and white supremacy.

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Posted
1 minute ago, mdmost said:

I'm honestly shocked there wasn't more of this in places like Detroit and Philly. 

i've been checking philly.com periodically waiting for some shit. I think the Philly DA's repeated FAFOs may have worked.

Posted
2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Lulz

 

If they lose of course there will be no introspection. Elon won't think "did I cause this because I made Twitter a right wing hellscape". It will be evil women who SHOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO VOTE TO BEGIN WITH!

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Just now, Dahobbs said:

The Democrats have actually been a bigger champion of free trade than the GOP, especially since Trump (e.g., tariffs). Aiding unions has been a core Democratic policy for a fucking hundred years, that isn't a shift to the goddamn left. Neither is raising the minimum wage a shift. The fucking minimum wage was established in fucking 1938 and hasn't kept up with inflation at all. That isn't a shift to the left. The EPA was founded in 1970, in part to fight climate change (just not specifically global warming). That isn't a shift to the left. If anything, the Democrats have been a lot more lukewarm on these traditional "left" policies over the last 20 years, so I'd call that a shift to the center. 

Well you will get no argument from me. I was just saying they have shifted leftwards on those issues from where they had been.

But to the Republican media machine these are dangerous radical left policies.

Posted
1 minute ago, RDCanecutter said:

I am home now after that one breakfast beer. May not drink for the rest of the day because I am not normal.

I hope visiting the place of my birth gave you serenity.  

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Posted
13 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

@Js1 drive your ass to the store, get a redbull with 5 hour energy chaser and get the fuck ready.

You need to wait until he finishes getting his ass blown out, in a locker or something like that.

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Just now, BamaATL said:

I hope visiting the place of my birth gave you serenity.  

It was nice, but I hope the health department cracked down on Chili's if they're birthin babies in there.

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Tell me you didn’t read the article without telling me you didn’t read the article….   

 

What’s the point?  You aren’t going to agree with any of it.  Both have moved farther apart on almost all issues.  There’s plenty of examples out there, this isn’t news to most people.  Women’s rights and immigration fuck the Republicans for sure.  It’s the rest they keep getting farther apart on but you and plenty others don’t see it obviously.  Literally posted a poll of democrats and their stance and how it’s changed.  There is no middle anymore on anything.  

 

5 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Not arguing the last part at all.  But literally democrats themselves in polls say they have moved more left.  What part of that are you so angry about?  Like what’s making this visceral reaction happen?  Everything ok at home?  The fact you use fucking so many times proves you won’t listen to any logical argument of a view you don’t agree with obviously.  

The reaction is visceral becuase people keep asking you to name ONE policy, and you refuse to do it (becuase you probably fucking can't) and then you whine again and again about people not reading your fucking lame ass OPINION piece article(s). 

If you want to engage in good faith conversation, you should try acting in good faith. So name a democratic policy that is super far left. Was it  the Infrastructure Act? Was it the CHIPS act?

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Not arguing the last part at all.  But literally democrats themselves in polls say they have moved more left.  What part of that are you so angry about?  Like what’s making this visceral reaction happen?  Everything ok at home?  The fact you use fucking so many times proves you won’t listen to any logical argument of a view you don’t agree with obviously.  

Look can you please just call it quits? its called shifting the overton window, I don't care about the meta or what democrats think. it is this level of incompetence where the overton window has shifted to deporting all undocumented workers (and legals, and citizens and Jack Smith) is part of the discourse.

Discourse about moving to the center is surrendering to fascism.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Proof that there will be no election fraud. Unless you don’t think Jesus can handle the ask.

well, he always scores the touchdowns, but he never fumbles.  

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5 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Not arguing the last part at all.  But literally democrats themselves in polls say they have moved more left.  What part of that are you so angry about?  Like what’s making this visceral reaction happen?  Everything ok at home?  The fact you use fucking so many times proves you won’t listen to any logical argument of a view you don’t agree with obviously.  

You haven't made a logical argument, you've made an emotional one. That's why you've cited to polls and opinion pieces. The Democrats are far to the right of where they were in the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s. It isn't debatable. It is cold hard fact. Every genuinely progressive policy from those times have been walked back by modern Democrats to some extent or another.  I curse because I like it and it emphasizes a point: you're being fucking dense as fucking hell. 

Thread shit over. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

American Democrats, in 2024, are much further right than pretty much any major liberal party in any other first world country. I'm not even sure it's debatable. 

What a completely asinine attempt at a point.

So in poll with democrats since Clinton the stance of most democrats has changed drastically to further left….  But pointing this out is my bad somehow?  There’s no actual conversation coming from this obviously, it’s the same for both now.  Neither will admit anything.  

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Just now, RDCanecutter said:

It was nice, but I hope the health department cracked down on Chili's if they're birthin babies in there.

Well for fucks sake, this isn't a Darden's property.  

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Posted
14 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Tell me you didn’t read the article without telling me you didn’t read the article….   

I read it but the key is that I also understood it. I explained why self-descriptions of moderate, liberal, etc. are worthless using you as an example but I can't understand it for you. 

 

16 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

What’s the point?  You aren’t going to agree with any of it.  Both have moved farther apart on almost all issues.  There’s plenty of examples out there, this isn’t news to most people.  Women’s rights and immigration fuck the Republicans for sure.  It’s the rest they keep getting farther apart on but you and plenty others don’t see it obviously.  Literally posted a poll of democrats and their stance and how it’s changed.  There is no middle anymore on anything.  

And yet again, two references to policy areas where Republicans have gone hard right but zero ability to come up with areas where Democrats have gone far left. You're doing a tremendous job of proving everyone else right. 

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The 1980s broke the leftism of the Democratic Party. We are currently slowly walking it back to where it was in the 1970s.

But that is on economic issues. On social issues, of course they are more progressive today. And that is also where the Republicans go after them and try to stir up panic.

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