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2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Great timing. The Saturday before the election. Thank you New York Times. Thanks a lot.

The NYT endorsed Harris a month ago. Just reiterating it I guess 

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One thing I’m curious about is crossover endorsements.   There are a bunch of republicans who have spoke out against Trump to flat out endorsed Harris.   Who are the reverse?   Tulsi & RFK Jr (I guess).   I assume I’m missing several.    

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2 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

One thing I’m curious about is crossover endorsements.   There are a bunch of republicans who have spoke out against Trump to flat out endorsed Harris.   Who are the reverse?   Tulsi & RFK Jr (I guess).   I assume I’m missing several.    

On those crossovers, I’m hopeful that for every high profile Republican endorsing Harris, there are a munch more regular Joe and Jane Republicans doing the same.

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6 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

One thing I’m curious about is crossover endorsements.   There are a bunch of republicans who have spoke out against Trump to flat out endorsed Harris.   Who are the reverse?   Tulsi & RFK Jr (I guess).   I assume I’m missing several.    

Yeah but they aren't democrats.

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6 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Right.  Wrestling is big business. The model has been lifted.  

Sort of.   Spectacle is part of it but the $ is in telling people what they want to hear.    Money is what runs every single thing in this country.  From CNN all the way to Infowars,  the goal is to make money.  That’s it.   There is 100x more money to be made in telling people what they want to hear and secondly being bombastic.

But back to the original point that people just want news, not filtered news through talking heads.   if people didn’t want (well sort of given whose talking during some it) infotainment then CSPAN wouldn’t have 1/100th the ratings of OANNN 

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1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Yeah but they aren't democrats.

I get that.  But MAGA would just say anyone who endorses Harris isn’t a conservative.    Who are all the former Ds that have switched. 

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4 minutes ago, South Austin said:

On those crossovers, I’m hopeful that for every high profile Republican endorsing Harris, there are a munch more regular Joe and Jane Republicans doing the same.

Yep yep. Doesn't even take all that many to be effective considering every crossover is basically like 2 votes.

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40 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


This. There are two types of Trump voters: 1) those who like the evil and cruelty to others, and 2) those who are just fine with evil and cruelty to others if they think it will provide them 1 cent of benefit.
If you enjoy making my neighbor suffer and die, or if you are cool with it because you’ll get an extra penny off your taxes, there is no meaningful distinction: you are pure shit.
We have to stop treating these people with kid gloves. Stop treating them with respect or sympathy. They deserve neither. They are EXACTLY like the Germans who went along with evil in the 1930s. I don’t care if they were one of the ones who genuinely hated Jews and thought the world should be under Germany’s boot, or if they were one of the ones who went along with it because they thought they could personally gain from it. Both groups were necessary to create the wermacht and the gas chambers. Both can go to hell.
Then. And now.

 

38 minutes ago, G650 said:

The thing is there is a third group that genuinely don't get it. I know that it's seems logically impossible, but it absolutely exists.

Yes I see this third group. A lot. Disinformation has warped their brains. They somehow can’t process all of this data because disinformation has made it impossible for them to see it. Just like a cult. 

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

Nope, own it mofos. 
 

 

Good article.  I'm generally dubious of reporting that offers no more details of sourcing than "...conversations with nearly a dozen of the former president’s aides, advisers, and friends".  However, in this case I'm not too bothered because the primary source for all of this dirt is easily identified.  Chris LaCivita.  There's zero doubt in my mind.  I can't wait for the book next year.

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2 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

 Especially a dude who wore black cowboy boots and had actually read Jean-Paul Sartre. Viva la France!

So you're the existential threat?

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He’s right. One of my high school teachers was much beloved but is all-in on Trump, and we stay in touch. 
I told him this the other day: “If Trump wins, 3 generations of students who loved you will remember you for that. You grandkids will remember you for that. You won’t be the guy that took them camping. You won’t be the teacher they looked up to or the grandfather who taught them to fish. You’ll just be a Trumper, until enough years pass that you pass from living memory and nobody knows who you were or talks about you anymore.”


The thing is, when he dies, his social media will live on forever. And, in ten thousand years, when some AI Android is shifting through Facebook archives, all it will know is that he was a Trumper.
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14 hours ago, chainsaw said:

Mexicans in particular seem to have become more Trumpy, which might be what's going on in NVAZ

 

14 hours ago, Born to Run said:

And South Texas. We ceded a traditionally Blue South Texas Corridor with a booming population and have done Nothing to course correct.  It's infuriating. We need a statewide candidate that is Allred/ Munchin light but Latino that also hunts and can look authentic doing so like Gov Ann whilst quoting George Straight with Flaco Jimenez endorsement.

I caught the tail end of an NPR segment yesterday evening that was talking about grassroots GOTV efforts in the RGV to appeal to voters by going specifically after Mexican Americans rather than “Hispanics” or Latinos,” and focusing on their cultural pride and using cultural and musical icons to energize them.

Apparently it’s a novel and as I mentioned only grassroots approach, not really supported monetarily or on social media by the Democratic Party’s machinery at any level.
 

They contrasted it with the more organized outreach being done with mobilization in the Puerto Rican community nationwide. There are over 9 million Mexican Americans in Texas. This seems like a huge blind spot to me, as a white dude. Am I missing something?

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13 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

He gone 

I mean, Trumpworld is notoriously leaky and backstabby. But the 2 things Pancho posted reads like campaign staff are getting out in front of a loss to put it all on Trump. 

No one in the Harris campaign is gonna be blackballed from future campaigns (if they happen) if she loses. But there will be a lot of knives out for Trump campaign staff when he loses. He and the family will turn on LaCivita, Wiles, Lewandowski, etc. in an instant and they’ll be out of political jobs as long as Trump and MAGA have influence 

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17 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

Probably posted but I’ve been traveling all day and couldn’t keep up with the thread. 
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No interviews. Respect my decision.

16 hours ago, immamac said:

Should I call chillis and try to get a national surly deal for Wednesday? Dead serious. 

Do you want Chili's to call the Feds and report suspicious election-focused organizing of creepy white men from the internet?

14 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

Love that we have to treat the second largest state in the union like a third world country.

14 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Noble but she can’t withdraw a few days before the election. She’s on the ballot. RFK too, in most spots. But I hope they ostracize the fuck out of her until time ends. 

She can say "Actually, y'all, reflecting on the past couple weeks this fucking guy is certifiably crazy and a threat to every one of our goals. I know it's underwhelming, but I'm suspending my campaign and asking you to vote for Kamala Harris. We will keep the pressure on her and Democrats but Trump is an unacceptable risk."

Green Party voters are highly online and that would have high visibility among her voters, and would certainly move a chunk of them. Many, probably the majority, would ignore it and say she sold out. It would still net Harris votes though.

She won't do it, but she could. 

13 hours ago, mantis toboggan said:

Someone with more knowledge than me please tell me why Ohio will spilt Dem/repub for senate/president?  Is the repub senate candidate that bad?  Seems off. 

They won't if it's Trump +8-10 or something but at Trump +3 it's believable. Sherrod Brown is one of those incumbent Senators with a distinct brand in his state and he is a progressive populist, which plays well. OH, especially northeast OH, is anti-immigrant/trade but still not as broadly socially conservative as the south or Indiana/Iowa. The culture war stuff is not quite as salient there. Also, yeah, Moreno is not a great candidate.

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1 minute ago, gmr548 said:

She won't do it, but she could. 

Of course she won’t. She’s either funded by Russia to play spoiler or secretly funded by the RNC. She’s not in it for anything but to play spoiler - she doesn’t care what the global Green Party thinks of her. 

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37 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Do you know who Kenneth Follett is? He wrote one of the best spy thrillers ever, called Eye of the Needle, but then he started writing sweeping historical novels about England. One called Winter of the World (book 2 of a trilogy dealing with the 20th century) examines in detail the rise of fascism in Germany, along with the (narrowly) defeated attempt to bring fascists into power in England. In both cases, there were people of different income levels, some really really smart, who were generally good people. Many were close friends, and even family members. 
 

And they went on to commit some of the worst atrocities the world has ever seen

It’s a quick read, and can be read as a standalone, although the first book in the trilogy is fantastic as well. You should read it to get an idea of how this could get really bad really quickly with a Trump win

I know the history and know the risk. I have spent money and time supporting Dems to opposite Trump / GOP since 2015.

I also know the people around me. I'm a minority who grew up in the sticks of Oklahoma in the 1970s. The public library in the county seat still had "colored" over one of the restroom doors and water fountains. I've experienced the hate you are talking about.

Demonizing the other is what Trump wants. If we do it, we are working atomize our country further.

I like spy novels and have seen Ken Follett but not read him. Will check it out.

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7 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I mean, Trumpworld is notoriously leaky and backstabby. But the 2 things Pancho posted reads like campaign staff are getting out in front of a loss to put it all on Trump. 

No one in the Harris campaign is gonna be blackballed from future campaigns (if they happen) if she loses. But there will be a lot of knives out for Trump campaign staff when he loses. He and the family will turn on LaCivita, Wiles, Lewandowski, etc. in an instant and they’ll be out of political jobs as long as Trump and MAGA have influence 

You didn't read the article.  

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Yes I see this third group. A lot. Disinformation has warped their brains. They somehow can’t process all of this data because disinformation has made it impossible for them to see it. Just like a cult. 

There is no third group. You want to think that group exists. Because we don’t want to face the reality that the bulk of our neighbors are shitty. But the truth is, they know. They’re part of group 2. They are. And in your heart, you know it.
uhhh, one?
while i love catherine, eva, and especially marion...the oversight of leaving laetitia out is unforgivable.
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as is nora...
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and sophie...
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and brigitte...
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and this lass isn't so bad when we constantly let her down...
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Oh, I knew there were many more (Laetitia and esp Sophie are personal faves), was counting on y’all to keep it going.
Because if we can’t celebrate French women, Chili’s, Aubrey Plaza, and Hall & Oates, what are we even doing here?
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3 minutes ago, quigley said:

I know the history and know the risk. I have spent money and time supporting Dems to opposite Trump / GOP since 2015.

I also know the people around me. I'm a minority who grew up in the sticks of Oklahoma in the 1970s. The public library in the county seat still had "colored" over one of the restroom doors and water fountains. I've experienced the hate you are talking about.

Demonizing the other is what Trump wants. If we do it, we are working atomize our country further.

I like spy novels and have seen Ken Follett but not read him. Will check it out.

Eye of the Needle is a great book, but anything from him is top shelf

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Everything he writes is so good

First line of Pillars of the Earth: “The boys came early to the hanging.” Just fantastic. Love everything by him, but haven’t read the referenced series.
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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:


First line of Pillars of the Earth: “The boys came early to the hanging.” Just fantastic. Love everything by him, but haven’t read the referenced series.

Century Trilogy is really good, highly recommend.

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9 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

x, x, x, x, 3, 1, 4, 2, 5

No interviews. Respect my decision.

Do you want Chili's to call the Feds and report suspicious election-focused organizing of creepy white men from the internet?

Love that we have to treat the second largest state in the union like a third world country.

She can say "Actually, y'all, reflecting on the past couple weeks this fucking guy is certifiably crazy and a threat to every one of our goals. I know it's underwhelming, but I'm suspending my campaign and asking you to vote for Kamala Harris. We will keep the pressure on her and Democrats but Trump is an unacceptable risk."

Green Party voters are highly online and that would have high visibility among her voters, and would certainly move a chunk of them. Many, probably the majority, would ignore it and say she sold out. It would still net Harris votes though.

She won't do it, but she could. 

They won't if it's Trump +8-10 or something but at Trump +3 it's believable. Sherrod Brown is one of those incumbent Senators with a distinct brand in his state and he is a progressive populist, which plays well. OH, especially northeast OH, is anti-immigrant/trade but still not as broadly socially conservative as the south or Indiana/Iowa. The culture war stuff is not quite as salient there. Also, yeah, Moreno is not a great candidate.

Yeah man I meant she can’t take her name off the ballot. 

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5 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

I get where you are coming from. But, "self interest" goes beyond economics, money. and $$$.

 

Yes, they've been bamboozled to vote against their pocketbook through racism and sexism. And if you want to throw in vaxx too, okay. 

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I'm not entirely sure that I know who Jill Stein is. Color me skeptical that any of the undecideds do. Anyone pulling the lever for her is just an Anastasis-level both-sides edgelord who was always going to find someone to dump their protest vote on.

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3 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

I get where you are coming from. But, "self interest" goes beyond economics, money. and $$$.

For MAGA and Fundagelicals, it is in their religious self interest to have the government shove the Bible down everyone's throat, to outlaw abortion, to stop vaxxing, ban books, etc. Bottom line, MAGA is voting their "self-interest" -- their religious self-interest.

And they are ready to shove it down the collective throat of America.

Even if it crashes the economy.

And that’s a huge issue, thanks to dogma.  Not only will these people not have their minds changed, unless by church leadership that manages to have a different interpretation gain popularity instead of excommunication, but they will not stop trying as they are convinced of a mandate from god. 

5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'd like to take Eva Green out to a nice dinner at Chili's. 

 

Potato skins?

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From the Atlantic article:

At the end of June, in the afterglow of a debate performance that would ultimately prompt President Joe Biden to end his campaign for reelection, Donald Trump startled his aides by announcing that he’d come up with a new nickname for his opponent.

“The guy’s a retard. He’s retarded. I think that’s what I’ll start calling him,” Trump declared aboard his campaign plane, en route to a rally that evening, according to three people who heard him make the remarks: “Retarded Joe Biden.”

The staffers present—and, within hours, others who’d heard about the epithet secondhand—pleaded with Trump not to say this publicly. They warned him that it would antagonize the moderate voters who’d been breaking in their direction, while engendering sympathy for a politician who, at that moment, was the subject of widespread ridicule. As Trump demurred, musing that he might debut the nickname at that night’s event, his staffers puzzled over the timing. Biden was on the ropes. Polls showed Trump jumping out to the biggest lead he’d enjoyed in any of his three campaigns for the presidency. Everything was going right for the Republican Party and its nominee. Why would he jeopardize that for the sake of slinging a juvenile insult? (A campaign spokesperson, Steven Cheung, said the nickname “was never discussed and this is materially false.”)

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