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Posted
45 minutes ago, troph said:

Everyone that votes for Trump and makes the argument. If that includes you then you too. Every last fucking one of you. 

He's literally the walking, talking, typing avatar of the concept of concern trolling.

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19 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Because I have two eyes and ears and a brain. But I could be wrong. And the Cowboys could also win the Super Bowl this year. 

Lmfao you think that "rex is wrong" is equally likely to the cowbs winning for the first time in a generation?

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19 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

 

Yes, tell me more about this "political chaos" in contemporary America.  Certainly hasn't happened over the last 8 years.  Is Grimace's Auntie fucking new here to our timeline or what?  

Posted
1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

That is what I was getting at, whether or not you think I’m maga. I’ve never been and as I said in another thread, wouldn’t vote for him if I had full blown aids and he had the cure for a vote. And, I never voted for him in the past.  

I do not dislike Biden. Not my favorite, but he’s a terrible current candidate in the current landscape. And that concerns me greatly, because he’s got little shot of winning. 

I said if wrt to you. If with respect to anyone. 

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30 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Yes, tell me more about this "political chaos" in contemporary America.  Certainly hasn't happened over the last 8 years.  Is Grimace's Auntie fucking new here to our timeline or what?  

The most compelling arguments are the untested nature of other candidates and the campaign apparatus for Biden vs a newly elevated candidate. I agree with her the movie version makes sense but in the real world of politics it’s too late, Biden had to decline the nomination before the primary.

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1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

Respectfully, you’re wrong. I’m ardently anti-maga. I actually got into a fight with my younger more liberal brother on the topic last weekend. 

I’m not wrong I didn’t say what you were one way or the other. I’m unfamiliar with your posts. So I said if. Others I am familiar with so I know. I made the statement because pundits posters and others who are magats have also been saying Biden should step down. Fuck any magat who says that. Trump is the one that should be forced to step down. If you agree great. Either way go argue with someone else. You say you aren’t a trumper fine. 

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

They are plenty ruthless. Unfortunately they are also dorks and losers who treat winning elections as a subordinate outcome to being superior in any number of ways. 

Remember the Wendy Davis filibuster? There was an effort to make a movie about it. Democratic consultants and donors etc felt that was an inspiring story, and tried to make it happen.
The reason why it didn’t happen was that the Hollywood people couldn’t figure out how losing a vote on the same bill three weeks later and then losing the gubernatorial race that followed in a landslide was inspiring. Later someone who was tangentially involved in the effort said that the movie people had “internalized a right wing narrative.”

@Brisketexan will likely remember that I said in 2019 or so that the model for the national Democratic Party was the Texas Democratic Party. My opinion hasn’t changed: when a party organizes people and process to do anything other than winning, what happens is losing. It’s not complicated. 

Speaking of dorks and losers, have you checked out the GOP roll call lately?

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3 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I’m not arguing with you. Thought you were saying I was maga. 

 

I am. I detest the guy and his ardent supporters. Most of my peers are Trump voters and do not like it. I never have been. Have always hated him. Mainly for business reasons. 

It fine, I’m really fucking pissed about this election and the systemic legitimization of a convicted felon, still awaiting 3 more trials? A rapist, civilly liable fraudster, twice impeached, insurrectionist, and pathological liar. How ever fucking newspaper and magazine and news show isn’t repeating this over and over is beyond me. If he’s not even going to try and tell the truth then he should be forcibly run off the debate stage. Fuck each and every magat. 

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I want to make a yard sign or bumper sticker but it’s too long 😕

 

If you are voting for the candidate who is a convicted felon, found civilly liable for fraud, rapist, insurrectionist, twice impeached, still awaiting three more criminal trials, and a pathological liar then YOU are the problem.
 

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1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

I’m not arguing with you. Thought you were saying I was maga. 

 

I am. I detest the guy and his ardent supporters. Most of my peers are Trump voters and do not like it. I never have been. Have always hated him. Mainly for business reasons. 

In what way?  

Posted
22 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

Biden has done a really good job and mostly restored America’s place in the world. But he simply can’t run this time. If he wins, he would be 86 years old at the end of the term. There is no possible way an 86 year old can do the duties he is required. This is just the nature of the human condition.

Not one of here would want an 80+ year old boss. And Harris isn’t the answer. 99% of America (and the world) couldn’t pick her out of a lineup.

The fate of democracy is at stake. I hope Joe will do the right thing…

My grandfather built an addition to his house out of brick at 85. 

My father just built an addition to his house at 81.

Not saying that's somehow presidential, but for fuck's sake,  Biden isn't the only motherfucker running this shit,  not by a Longshot.

 

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Posted

Perfect summation

“Republicans have no principles and Democrats have no spine. At the first sign of adversity, the Democrats want to replace the incumbent President.”

Democrats are the biggest pussies. 

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1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

Perfect summation

“Republicans have no principles and Democrats have no spine. At the first sign of adversity, the Democrats want to replace the incumbent President.”

Democrats are the biggest pussies. 

It's a little more complicated than that. Losing in 2024 isn't an option, and we all saw what Thursday night looked like. 

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Pancho’s tweet is important, debates have zero predictive value. That rubric is really interesting too. 
 

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19 minutes ago, troph said:

Pancho’s tweet is important, debates have zero predictive value. That rubric is really interesting too. 
 

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It’s not the debate per se. it’s how Biden looked. He needs to be out in public, frequently, looking the way he looked in NC. And personally attacking Trump repeatedly. Hammer home the rapist, lying, pornstar fucking, fraud committing, felon narrative 

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And fuck the American people for allowing the candidates decide how they will be questioned.

We are the biggest bunch of soft serve pussies. 

One guy won't agree to a debate unless he's not allowed to be fact checked fpr lying by the moderator, and one guy won't debate unless the turn the other's guy's mic off because he can't handle being talked over. We love letting people fuck us in the ass. 

THEY won't agree. Fuck them. This is how you debate, and if you YOU don't fucking like it, then YOU can't be President. Jesus Christ. 

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There’s a difference between losing a debate, like many presidential winners have done in the past, and looking so senile that many your supporters are legitimately wondering who is running the country currently. 

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Just now, Don Johnson said:

There’s a difference between losing a debate, like many presidential winners have done in the past, and looking so senile that many your supporters are legitimately wondering who is running the country currently. 

Wait. Do people think the President runs the country?

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Posted
Just now, Don Johnson said:

There’s a difference between losing a debate, like many presidential winners have done in the past, and looking so senile that many your supporters are legitimately wondering who is running the country currently. 

It's also a four year job. Until January 2029. That's.... a long time from now. Close to zero percent chance he can make it that long. Which, is a problem. 

Posted
9 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

I mean I disliked him long before he became a political figure. 

EVERYONE disliked him before he became a political figure. Or, at least, viewed him as a caricature to be mocked. Then, he started spreading conspiracies and saying racist shit about Obama and 35% of the country was like, "Hmm, I like the cut of his jib. What else does he have to say?"

Good luck reminding your MAGA friends how they used to view Trump when politics weren't involved.

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2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

EVERYONE disliked him before he became a political figure. Or, at least, viewed him as a caricature to be mocked. Then, he started spreading conspiracies and saying racist shit about Obama and 35% of the country was like, "Hmm, I like the cut of his jib. What else does he have to say?"

Good luck reminding your MAGA friends how they used to view Trump when politics weren't involved.

He's basically a celebrity Pat Buchanan.

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29 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Good luck reminding your MAGA friends how they used to view Trump when politics weren't involved.

Reminder: those plentiful photos of Trump with the Clintons and with Jeffrey Epstein aren’t going to drop themselves into casual conversations with your MAGA friends and relatives,

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3 hours ago, Don Johnson said:

There’s a difference between losing a debate, like many presidential winners have done in the past, and looking so senile that many your supporters are legitimately wondering who is running the country currently. 

Well, nobody will remember this debate by this time next month, thanks to Beryl and the Olympics.

Hell, people are already forgetting about it and moving on to other things to be outraged about.

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Posted (edited)

Trump rambling nonsense and making shit up along the way is an actual sign of dementia. His party still worships him and the media doesn’t say withdraw. Eat shit.

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6 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Trump rambling nonsense and making shit up along the way is an actual sign of dementia. His party still worships him and the media doesn’t say withdraw. Eat shit.

Isn’t it a forgone conclusion that 100% of the non conservative media doesn’t think Trump is fit to run and should be in prison?  Does the NYT really need to say that?  Or CNN or MSNBC?  

The only reason they are calling for Biden to resign is they are scared that Biden now can’t beat Trump. They want someone who will beat Trump. They aren’t doing so to sabotage the election. More the opposite. 

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Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

Isn’t it a forgone conclusion that 100% of the non conservative media doesn’t think Trump is fit to run and should be in prison?  Does the NYT really need to say that?  Or CNN or MSNBC?  

The only reason they are calling for Biden to resign is they are scared that Biden now can’t beat Trump. They want someone who will beat Trump. They aren’t doing so to sabotage the election. More the opposite. 

Bull. Fucking. Shit. If that’s what they cared about they’d write the Philly Inquirer article, every single day. The fact that fucking Rex Kramer says he should withdrawal tells you everything. They want him to withdraw because it helps Trump. Period. They don’t even pretend otherwise anymore.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said:

Good to see at least one major newspaper's editorial board gets it.

Philadelphia Inquirer: To serve his country, Donald Trump should leave the race | Editorial

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To serve his country, Donald Trump should leave the race | Editorial

Biden had a horrible night Thursday. But the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.

 

President Donald Trump at the first presidential debate Thursday. Trump’s performance demonstrated once again that he is a danger to democracy and unfit for office.

 

President Joe Biden’s debate performance was a disaster. His disjointed responses and dazed look sparked calls for him to drop out of the presidential race.

 

But lost in the hand wringing was Donald Trump’s usual bombastic litany of lies, hyperbole, bigotry, ignorance, and fear mongering. His performance demonstrated once again that he is a danger to democracy and unfit for office.

 

In fact, the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.

 

Trump, 78, has been on the political stage for eight years marked by chaos, corruption, and incivility. Why go back to that?

 

Throughout the debate, Trump repeatedly said we are a “failing” country. He called the United States a “third world nation.” He said, “we’re living in hell” and “very close to World War III.”

 

“People are dying all over the place,” Trump said, later adding “we’re literally an uncivilized country now.”

 

To build himself up, Trump constantly tears the country down, The Editorial Board writes. There is no shining city on the hill. It’s just mourning in America.

 

Trump told more than 30 lies during the debate to go with the more than 30,000 mistruths told during his four years as president. He dodged the CNN moderators’ questions, took no responsibility for his actions, and blamed others, mainly Biden, for everything that is wrong in the world.

 

Trump’s response to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection he fueled was farcical. He said a “relatively small number of people” went to the Capitol and many were “ushered in by the police.”

 

After scheming to overturn the 2020 election, Trump refused to say if he would accept the results of the 2024 election. Unless, of course, he wins.

 

The debate served as a reminder of what another four years of Trump would look like. More lies, grievance, narcissism, and hate. Supporters say they like Trump because he says whatever he thinks. But he mainly spews raw sewage.

 

Trump attacks the military. He denigrates the Justice Department and judges. He belittles the FBI and the CIA. He picks fights with allies and cozies up to dictators.

 

Trump is an unserious carnival barker running for the most serious job in the world. During his last term, Trump served himself and not the American people.

 

Trump spent chunks of time watching TV, tweeting, and hanging out at his country clubs. Over his four-year term, Trump played roughly 261 rounds of golf.

 

The Editorial Board writes that the debate served as a reminder of what another four years of Trump would look like: More lies, grievance, narcissism and hate.

As president, Trump didn’t read the daily intelligence briefs. He continued to use his personal cell phone, allowing Chinese spies to listen to his calls. During one Oval Office meeting, Trump shared highly classified intelligence with the Russian foreign minister and ambassador.

 

Trump’s term did plenty of damage and had few accomplishments. The much-hyped wall didn’t get built. Infrastructure week was a recurring joke. Giant tax cuts made the rich richer, while fueling massive deficits for others to pay for years. His support for coal, oil drilling, and withdrawal from the Paris Agreement worsened the growing impact of climate change.

 

Trump stacked the judiciary with extreme judges consisting mainly of white males, including a number who the American Bar Association rated as not qualified. A record number of cabinet officials were fired or left the office. The West Wing was in constant chaos and infighting.

 

Many Trump appointees exited under a cloud of corruption, grifting, and ethical scandals. Trump’s children made millions off the White House. His dilettante son-in-law got $2 billion from the Saudi government for his fledgling investment firm even though he never managed money before.

 

Trump’s mismanagement of the pandemic resulted in tens of thousands of needless deaths. He boasts about stacking the Supreme Court with extreme right-wingers who are stripping away individual rights, upending legal precedents, and making the country less safe. If elected, Trump may add to the court’s conservative majority.

 

Of course, there were the unprecedented two impeachments. Now, Trump is a convicted felon who is staring at three more criminal indictments. He is running for president to stay out of prison.

 

If anything, Trump doesn’t deserve to be on the presidential debate stage. Why even give him a platform?

 

Trump allegedly stole classified information and tried to overturn an election. His plans for a second term are worse than the last one. We cannot be serious about letting such a crooked clown back in the White House.

 

If anything, Trump doesn’t deserve to be on the presidential debate stage. Why even give him a platform?

 

Yes, Biden had a horrible night. He’s 81 and not as sharp as he used to be. But Biden on his worst day remains lightyears better than Trump on his best.

 

Biden must show that he is up to the job. This much is clear: He has a substantive record of real accomplishments, fighting the pandemic, combating climate change, investing in infrastructure, and supporting working families and the most vulnerable.

 

Biden has surrounded himself with experienced people who take public service seriously. He has passed major bipartisan legislation despite a dysfunctional Republican House majority.

 

Biden believes in the best of America. He has rebuilt relationships with allies around the world and stood up to foes like Russia and China.

 

There was only one person at the debate who does not deserve to be running for president. The sooner Trump exits the stage, the better off the country will be.

 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Bull. Fucking. Shit. If that’s what they cared about they’d write the Philly Inquirer article, every single day. The fact that fucking Rex Kramer says he should withdrawal tells you everything. They want him to withdraw because it helps Trump. Period. They don’t even pretend otherwise anymore.

You believe those that think Biden should drop out think that because they want Trump to win?

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6 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

You believe those that think Biden should drop out think that because they want Trump to win?

In the media? Yes, absolutely.

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It's a fool's errand and pointless. When we were debating strategies to defeat Hitler, I doubt a lot of thought went into running editorials to get him to quit. 

"It Hitler truly wants what's best for the world, he would resign. Yes I said it."

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25 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Trump is serving his country by remaining in the race…. Mother Russia. 

It is just simply astounding to see TFG being able to run again after inciting a riot. We are teetering/already are a 1st world banana republic. We truly have some of the dumbest human beings on the planet living right here in America. Millions of these people do not deserve to be able to call this country home. That they support TFG just reinforces how insanely broken so many of these people are. I’ll cast my vote for Biden in November, get off the mainland and then out of this country entirely within two years, God willing.

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There’s Carville, a big Republican plant, agreeing with me.  Can’t believe he has the balls to question Biden’s run… 🙄

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