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1 minute ago, staboner said:

fantastic talk by A Yang. TL;DR summary - rank choice voting. Something many have been saying for some time

 

Yes, I’ve been saying this for some time. Since the first time I learned what it was and understood the absolute logic in it. But we can’t have nice things. Because we are stupids ruled by the corrupt. 

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3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yes, I’ve been saying this for some time. Since the first time I learned what it was and understood the absolute logic in it. But we can’t have nice things. Because we are stupids ruled by the corrupt. 

yeah the data he cites there is just staggering. +90% re-election with a 15% approval rate. So motherfucking broken. 

I think here AY does a better job of simply expressing the sheer stupidity of it. that data ^ + the citation on money. I mean for fuck sake the money take is unreal. We spend billions to make lots of people angry and only change the decision of maybe a 5% if we are lucky. The inefficiency is mind bottling 

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On 5/6/2024 at 11:44 AM, mdmost said:

Because Republicans are always viewed as better on the economy. Interest rates, inflation, cost of everything being higher all play into Trump's tiny hands. Jobs reports and Wall Street do nothing for Main Street when the former are a big issue. It's Jimmy Carter all over again. 

I’ve never understood this.

Looking at the only Republican presidents in my lifetime Trump and GWB. Their policies didn’t benefit anyone unless they satisfied the following criteria.

1) top 10% of this country financially ( or better)

2) owned a business

3) male gender ( republicans only acknowledge the existence of 2 of these)

4) white

I’m not sure, but if every single one of these guys were registered to vote would it be 10-15 million?  Trump got how many votes last time?
 

The GOP does a masterful job at convincing folks to vote against their own self interests by distracting them with culture war shit like abortion or “libs will kill you if I lose” propaganda.

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10 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

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"Biden controversially spent the day dredging up memories of an event that divides America, while every-man Trump appealed to the average citizen by defending himself in a court of law." - New York Times, probably

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Surreal = POTUS speaking at a Holocaust event?

No.  A former POTUS being in court is surreal.  What Biden was doing what 100% normal and what POTUS has done since WW2. 

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TLDW:

  • Good news: Polling indicates that Gaza isn't going to be a big issue for young voters. They're more concerned with bread-and-butter issues: healthcare, the economy, student debt, etc.
  • Bad news: RFK Jr. has swallowed up just about the entire delta of support Biden had over Trump in 2020 and is polling at 29% of all youth. In-fucking-sane.

 

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7 minutes ago, bolverk said:

TLDW:

  • Good news: Polling indicates that Gaza isn't going to be a big issue for young voters. They're more concerned with bread-and-butter issues: healthcare, the economy, student debt, etc.
  • Bad news: RFK Jr. has swallowed up just about the entire delta of support Biden had over Trump in 2020 and is polling at 29% of all youth. In-fucking-sane.

 

It's very early and he may not even be on the ballot in most states.  And he has fucking brain worms.

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20 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

More bad news for joe ….

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, being a Republican politician is the easiest fucking job in the world.

We're gonna take away your Medicare. - Fuck yeah Murica.

We're going to raise your taxes and give billionaires breaks. - Fuckin libruls.

We're gonna make your schools shittier? - I didn't finish high school and I turned out just fine.

Jesus. I can't believe that worked.  Let's take away their porn. - Thank you sir may I have another.

I could go on and on and on.

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40 minutes ago, bolverk said:

TLDW:

  • Good news: Polling indicates that Gaza isn't going to be a big issue for young voters. They're more concerned with bread-and-butter issues: healthcare, the economy, student debt, etc.
  • Bad news: RFK Jr. has swallowed up just about the entire delta of support Biden had over Trump in 2020 and is polling at 29% of all youth. In-fucking-sane.

 

I know it’s early, and I’m sure people smarter than me have already planned it. But Biden needs to present real healthcare reform to the country building upon Obamacare. Obviously that’s a winning issue for everyone. Fucking Brainworm RFK. 

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29%?  Seriously?  He doesn''t even really even a marked position on Gaza and most of that generation doesn't even know the Kennedy "brand."  What fucking year is this?  /RIProbin

That's actually bad news, bullshit aside.  Because people who claim to support a 3rd party/independent candidate actually do get off their ass, unlike most U30 voters who claim to be a liberal or conservative, actually pull a ballot lever.  Been that way for the last 30 years across two generations of young voters.  This ain't good news.    

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1 hour ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I know it’s early, and I’m sure people smarter than me have already planned it. But Biden needs to present real healthcare reform to the country building upon Obamacare. Obviously that’s a winning issue for everyone. Fucking Brainworm RFK. 

Nope. See expanded Medicaid, Texas.

Never underestimate the stupidity.

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1 minute ago, Liteitup said:

Nope. See expanded Medicaid, Texas.

Never underestimate the stupidity.

Ok I shouldn’t say everyone. The brain dead voters who will vote R no matter what are lost. I’m talking about independents and apparently the youth 

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On 4/13/2024 at 10:39 AM, C-Man said:


Shit, sad to say I didn’t realize that was the case. Thought that was kind of the lynchpin, something like the last X POTUS winners took Ohio. I’ll see myself out.

iirc no republican has ever won the white house without ohio.  and most democrats haven't either, since reconstruction.  it's historically been a lot of electoral votes and a middle of the road state.  but it's been bleeding electoral votes while trending red over the last couple of decades. 

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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

TLDW:

  • Good news: Polling indicates that Gaza isn't going to be a big issue for young voters. They're more concerned with bread-and-butter issues: healthcare, the economy, student debt, etc.
  • Bad news: RFK Jr. has swallowed up just about the entire delta of support Biden had over Trump in 2020 and is polling at 29% of all youth. In-fucking-sane.

 

100% fake. Young voters don't even participate in meaningful numbers in this country and even if they did there's no way RFK Jr has 29% of their vote. 

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52 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

100% fake. Young voters don't even participate in meaningful numbers in this country and even if they did there's no way RFK Jr has 29% of their vote. 

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45 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

You fuckers need to realize that she has gone all in on the "pick up the pieces after Donald" train. Hear that @'stache?? She's not going to bend the knee. Someone has to hedge and it's her 

Still several months to the election.

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2 hours ago, 'stache said:

Still several months to the election.

He won’t ask her to be on the ticket, so she doesn’t lose a lot being the alternative to Trump.  She’s getting a head start on 2028, when a lot of Republicans are going to be trying to forget Trump and his sycophants.

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On 5/7/2024 at 5:10 AM, Snake Diggity said:

These are the only remaining people who will vote for Trump:

1. Racists

2. Sexists

3. Single issue voters who think they’ll pay less taxes under Trump (most of them are wrong, because they are not as rich as they think they are)

4. Single issue pro-life voters

5. conspiracy theorists

6. people who suck brain poison out of the boob tube (Fox News viewers)

 

There are ZERO rational-thinking, analytical-minded voters who look at truly meaningful things like foreign policy, economic policy, social policy, or character who will pull the lever for Trump.  And it still might be enough for that piece of shit to get to 270.

You forgot gun nuts

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12 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

I can’t even read that.  Too infuriating.  The people they polled think Biden is to blame for Roe getting overturned.  They think Trump will tear down the system with positive results.  We’re fucked.  Even if Biden somehow pulls it out, we’re fucked.

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29 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Black, Hispanic and young voters have flipped to Dotard? I’m skeptical. 

The first, I guess. The latter 2, that wouldn't shock me at all especially with young male voters. We've probably gotten to the point where some just would rather burn it all down because what we have right now isn't working for them. Of course, it will be a case of "be careful what you wish for" and "I don't realize he was going to do this (even though he told you he was exactly going to do that)". The biggest problem Biden has right now besides an economy that's not reflecting its improvement to average consumers is the horrible messaging his people and Democrats in general are putting out. But if people are so ill-informed that they think Biden caused Roe to be overturned so I guess I'll vote for the guy whose appointed justices actually voted for to overturn it then you're not getting through to people like that regardless of what you do. 

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51 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Black, Hispanic and young voters have flipped to Dotard? I’m skeptical. 

This.  Sorry, I don't believe it.  Polling is broken. 

And a massive "fuck the NYT" because we know they aren't doing anything related to Biden impartially.  They've admitted as much. 

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5 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

The lack of critical analysis is really what is killing me.  These polling results would indicate the greatest demographic shift in our lifetime and there is absolutely no attempt to reconcile this.  Just "welp, looks like ol' Joe is in trouble!"

If the polling industry didn't exist, the common refrain would be a Biden blowout.  Every real indicator is pointing that way... the polling is the ONLY thing giving Trump a chance.  It's all just so weird.

It's almost like its on purpose bullshit from people with less than honest motives.  

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23 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

The lack of critical analysis is really what is killing me.  These polling results would indicate the greatest demographic shift in our lifetime and there is absolutely no attempt to reconcile this.  Just "welp, looks like ol' Joe is in trouble!"

If the polling industry didn't exist, the common refrain would be a Biden blowout.  Every real indicator is pointing that way... the polling is the ONLY thing giving Trump a chance.  It's all just so weird.

Is it though? No one knows how to use computers. 

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