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FINAL 2024 CFB polls/rankings - Texas #3/ #4 /#3 (CFP/AP/Coaches)


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On 12/10/2024 at 7:26 AM, satyanash said:

Still complaining about Texas' resume 🙄 

 

The "Texas hasn't beaten any top-25 teams" brigade is peddling bullshit.

Texas has the second-strongest SOS of all teams in the CFP.

Texas is #3 in the country in strength of record.

Texas is #1 in the country in game control.

Texas has 8 wins vs. bowl-eligible teams, most in the country.

Texas has beaten two top-25 teams--Aggy (#14 in combined FPI/SP+, #19 in Sagarin) and Florida (#22 in combined FPI/SP+, #20 in Sagarin).

Unranked teams that Texas defeated beat Ohio State, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Alabama, LSU, and Missouri, among others.

Michigan and Oklahoma are also fringe top-25 teams, depending which computer models are being used.

If one is using stupid, arbitrary criteria, one will get stupid results.

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17 hours ago, bullet said:

Having as many as they have and feeling like they need to defend prior ratings is a big mistake.  They don't need 6.  Things change  too much.

There shouldn't be any preseason rankings at all. No preconceived notions based on teams that no longer exist, especially with the portal causing so much turnover every year. 

I don't think there need to be any rankings at all released until the final one, but there should be detailed notes taken along the way of how the committee reached their final ranking. Then release the playoff field and those notes all at once for total transparency. 

They need to announce the AP and coaches poll are absolutely meaningless and have zero bearing on anything. 

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Bullet point thoughts:

- My model ended up predicting South Carolina to be the last team in (over SMU).  The teams everyone are talking about for the last spot were all really close.  There was no right choice or wrong here.

- Someone needs to decide whether we want a tournament of conferences and wildcards, a tournament of the best teams, or something in between.  The current system is the former and made more sense before the last round of realignment.

- Media and people keep double-speaking about teams ranked in the top 25 and the 25 best teams.  They will present the former as if it is the latter.  These are not the same thing and are not meant to be.

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16 hours ago, Voluminous Banality said:

The "Texas hasn't beaten any top-25 teams" brigade is peddling bullshit.

Texas has the second-strongest SOS of all teams in the CFP.

Texas is #3 in the country in strength of record.

Texas is #1 in the country in game control.

Texas has 8 wins vs. bowl-eligible teams, most in the country.

Texas has beaten two top-25 teams--Aggy (#14 in combined FPI/SP+, #19 in Sagarin) and Florida (#22 in combined FPI/SP+, #20 in Sagarin).

Unranked teams that Texas defeated beat Ohio State, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Alabama, LSU, and Missouri, among others.

Michigan and Oklahoma are also fringe top-25 teams, depending which computer models are being used.

If one is using stupid, arbitrary criteria, one will get stupid results.

Almost every pundit is essentially saying that Texas would have a "better" resume if they had beaten Georgia in the first matchup but lost to Arkansas, which is an absolutely insane conclusion.

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11 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Bullet point thoughts:

- My model ended up predicting South Carolina to be the last team in (over SMU).  The teams everyone are talking about for the last spot were all really close.  There was no right choice or wrong here.

- Someone needs to decide whether we want a tournament of conferences and wildcards, a tournament of the best teams, or something in between.  The current system is the former and made more sense before the last round of realignment.

- Media and people keep double-speaking about teams ranked in the top 25 and the 25 best teams.  They will present the former as if it is the latter.  These are not the same thing and are not meant to be.

I heard some mouthbreather yapping at Pawl Finebaum the other day about "THESE AREN'T THE BEST 12 TEAMS!!!".

No shit.  Look at the way the playoff is constructed.  There is absolutely no concern about getting the top 12 teams. 

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Here are the fields for each season if the CFP had started with the current format. Please note that as I've mentioned before, the problem isn't this setup, it's the stupid super conferences. Every playoff before this year would have been awesome with very few stupid byes, etc. 

2014:

1. Alabama
9. Mississippi @ 8. Michigan St.

4. Ohio St.
12. Georgia Tech @ 5. Baylor

2. Oregon
10. Arizona @ 7. Mississippi St.

3. Florida St.
11. Kansas St. @ 6. TCU

2015:

1. Clemson
9. Florida St. @ 8. Notre Dame

4. Oklahoma
12. Mississippi @ 5. Iowa

2. Alabama
10. North Carolina @ 7. Ohio St.

3. Michigan St.
11. TCU @ 6. Stanford

2016:

1. Alabama
9. Southern Cal @ 8. Wisconsin

4. Penn St.
12. Oklahoma St. @ 5. Ohio St.

2. Clemson
10. Colorado @ 7. Oklahoma

3. Washington
11. Florida St. @ 6. Michigan

2017:

1. Clemson
9. Penn St. @ 8. Southern Cal

4. Ohio St.
12. UCF @ 5. Alabama

2. Oklahoma
10. Miami (FL) @ 7. Auburn

3. Georgia
11. Washington @ 6. Wisconsin

2018:

1. Alabama
9. Washington @ 8. UCF

4. Ohio St.
12. Penn St. @ 5. Notre Dame

2. Clemson
10. Florida @ 7. Michigan

3. Oklahoma
11. LSU @ 6. Georgia

2019:

1. LSU
9. Florida @ 8. Wisconsin

4. Oklahoma
12. Auburn @ 5. Georgia

2. Ohio St.
10. Penn St. @ 7. Baylor

3. Clemson
11. Utah @ 6. Oregon

2020:

1. Alabama
9. Georgia @ 8. Cincinnati

4. Oklahoma
12. Coastal Carolina @ 5. Notre Dame

2. Clemson
10. Iowa St. @ 7. Florida

3. Ohio St.
11. Indiana @ 6. Texas A&M

2021:

1. Alabama
9. Oklahoma St. @ 8. Mississippi

4. Baylor
12. Pittsburgh @ 5. Georgia

2. Michigan
10. Michigan St. @ 7. Ohio St.

3. Cincinnati
11. Utah @ 6. Notre Dame

2022:

1. Georgia
9. Kansas St. @ 8. Tennessee

4. Utah
12. Washington @ 5. TCU

2. Michigan St.
10. Southern Cal @ 7. Alabama

3. Clemson
11. Penn St. @ 6. Ohio St.

2023:

1. Michigan
9. Missouri @ 8. Oregon

4. Alabama
12. Oklahoma @ 5. Florida St.

2. Washington
10. Penn St. @ 7. Ohio St.

3. Texas
11. Mississippi @ 6. Georgia

2024:

1. Oregon
9. Tennessee @ 8. Ohio St.

4. Arizona St.
12. Clemson @ 5. Texas

2. Georgia
10. Indiana @ 7. Notre Dame

3. Boise St.
11. SMU @ 6. Penn St.

Total hypothetical appearances 2014-2024

11 -
Ohio St.

9-
Alabama

8-
Clemson, Georgia

7-
Oklahoma, Penn St.

5-
Notre Dame, Washington

4-
Florida St., Michigan, Michigan St., Mississippi

3-
Baylor, Florida, Southern Cal, , TCU, Utah, Wisconsin

2-
Auburn, Cincinnati, Indiana, Kansas St., LSU, Oklahoma St., Tennessee, Texas, UCF

1-
Arizona, Arizona St., Boise St., Coastal Carolina, Colorado, Georgia Tech ,Iowa ,Iowa St. ,Miami (FL) ,Mississippi St. ,Missouri ,North Carolina ,Pittsburgh ,SMU ,Stanford, Texas A&M

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Posted
4 minutes ago, SimkinsMan said:

Amusing that we finished ahead of Georgia but lost to them twice. 

it appears they ranked the semifinalists 1-4 then the quarterfinal losers 5-8 with no regard for previous head to head results.

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#4 just feels very hollow, I guess when we suck again we will look back and say at least we were in the middle of it. Right now all this means very little knowing we had our chances after a turnover instead we go 4 and out and at the 1 yard line. Sark's play calling in those two situations was deserving of our loss.

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42 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

#4 just feels very hollow

For some, finishing #4 after being a non-participant in the playoffs in a truncated pandemic season is the absolute height of experienced success.

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33 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Oregon? The team that  was down by 34-0 in the first half of its final game? 

Also a team that lost 1 game was the B10 conference champion and beat the national champion earlier in the season.  I can see it.

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47 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

#4 just feels very hollow, I guess when we suck again we will look back and say at least we were in the middle of it. Right now all this means very little knowing we had our chances after a turnover instead we go 4 and out and at the 1 yard line. Sark's play calling in those two situations was deserving of our loss.

Being a championship-or-despair cfb fan feels so weird. Especially when you cheer for a team that's won 4 championships in the modern era. You've gotta enjoy the ride.

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46 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

#4 just feels very hollow, I guess when we suck again we will look back and say at least we were in the middle of it. Right now all this means very little knowing we had our chances after a turnover instead we go 4 and out and at the 1 yard line. Sark's play calling in those two situations was deserving of our loss.

1 - That was NOT a "4 and out". You are using that term completely wrong.

2 - If you can't take any enjoyment from a seaon with a Top 4 finish, you should probably invest your time and energy somewhere else other than being a college football fan.

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8 minutes ago, Herpa Derpa said:

For some, finishing #4 after being a non-participant in the playoffs in a truncated pandemic season is the absolute height of experienced success.

This was my response to Kyle Umlang.

 

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45 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Oregon? The team that  was down by 34-0 in the first half of its final game? 

Idk how anyone could watch that playoffs unfold and not honestly have Texas at 2. I can see #3 at worst. Oregon got fucking annihilated. 

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1 hour ago, SimkinsMan said:

Amusing that we finished ahead of Georgia but lost to them twice. 

I'd call it fucking stupid but I guess amusing works

Posted
19 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Not to be a bucket of cold water here, but a 21-21 game with 2 minutes left is a recipe for losing 24-21.

After Howard turned it over?  Yeah I agree.

15 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Also a team that lost 1 game was the B10 conference champion and beat the national champion earlier in the season.  I can see it.

I'd have them #2

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7 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

1 - That was NOT a "4 and out". You are using that term completely wrong.

2 - If you can't take any enjoyment from a seaon with a Top 4 finish, you should probably invest your time and energy somewhere else other than being a college football fan.

Unless I remember it wrong since I have not watched the game after watching at the stadium we had a pass for a first down after the turn over than ran it on first and second down even though we had sucked at the running it on first down and then failed on third and punted it away. So yes without setting up context the term is completely wrong so am I right that we ran 4 plays before having to punt it away?

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5 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Idk how anyone could watch that playoffs unfold and not honestly have Texas at 2. I can see #3 at worst. Oregon got fucking annihilated. 

There's more than one game in a season no matter how important espn tells you that game is

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5 minutes ago, WBT said:

There's more than one game in a season no matter how important espn tells you that game is

This isn't the BCS, brother - it was played out on the field and Oregon was not one of the final 4 teams in the end. Ohio State, ND, Texas/PSU

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Posted
5 minutes ago, WBT said:

There's more than one game in a season no matter how important espn tells you that game is

Okay, then why is ND ahead of us? They lost to NIU and looked non competitive against OSU. Our losses were closer and to better teams. I know the answer already, but I am pointing out the hypocrisy. 

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Ohio State won the national title. Notre Dame finished runner-up. Us and PSU finished T3rd or both made the "Final Four"

College basketball hasn't cared about the AP-Poll in a long, long time. AP ranking doesn't get you into the playoff.

Oregon can put their "Finished 3rd in the AP*" banner wherever they want.

*may or may not have gotten bludgeoned in the CFP quarterfinal

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Posted
1 hour ago, WBT said:

After Howard turned it over?  Yeah I agree.

that would have been great, but no way Bert Auburn hits a GW FG. Putting our hopes on Stone, his first ever FG attempt this season being in that situation? Also not a guaranteed win.

I think there was a real chance the Buckeyes could move the ball enough to get a good look at a GW FG.

I can't complain about the huge Helm and Golden receptions or the multiple DPIs that set us up at the 1 yard line, but we definitely left more time on the clock than I would have preferred.

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1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Okay, then why is ND ahead of us? They lost to NIU and looked non competitive against OSU. Our losses were closer and to better teams. I know the answer already, but I am pointing out the hypocrisy. 

ND had one fewer loss and also kept it closer against OSU than we did.

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43 minutes ago, oldhorn2 said:

not to add fuel to the fire, but what about this dumb assed little bit....:Oregon Ducks 'Recognized' as National Champions Despite Ohio State’s Victory Over Notre Dame

Terrific article.  UO is ranked #1 in one of six rankings . . . so?  The other five kinda matter, don't they?

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In reality, everyone knows that Ohio State won the championship in 2025, and history will forever recognize the Buckeyes as the victors of the firs 12-team College Football Playoff. While the Ducks may technically go down in the record books as the "champion" according to one of six active "major selectors" in college football, nobody in Eugene will be celebrating this outcome as if the Ducks actually won the championship. 

 

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1 minute ago, WBT said:

ND had one fewer loss and also kept it closer against OSU than we did.

This is one of those situations where the game was not as close as the score would indicate, while Texas's game against Ohio State was a situation where the game was closer than the score indicated. I'll give Freeman credit for not letting them fold when they were down by 24.

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

Not to be a bucket of cold water here, but a 21-21 game with 2 minutes left is a recipe for losing 24-21.

Especially against a white reasonably mobile qb.

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16 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Terrific article.  UO is ranked #1 in one of six rankings . . . so?  The other five kinda matter, don't they?

 

Is there a wall at Autzen to put this on? 

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