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i am worried we are going to get dinged for wins over teams above .500

our performances against michigan and 0u were fantastic against at-the-time ranked teams but since both now suck it will cost us if we don't get to atlanta

this is where the dictum of NEVER wanting 0u or aggy to win under any circumstances really gets tested

0u sits at 5-5, off this week, then host gump who will still be in the race for a spot in atlanta, and finish @ corndog who as of today are also still in the running for atlanta, looks 5-7

meatchicken also sits at 5-5, also off this week, host northwestern and finish @ fosu, probably 6-6

colostate are 6-3 and should finish above .500

utsa are 4-5 with 3 left

ulm are 5-4 with 3 left (@ barn this week)

klan aggy are 2-8

vandy are 6-4, off this week, host corndog and finish @ tenn; vandy are probably finishing 6-6

gatah are 4-5, host corndog, host olemiss & finish @ noles; another likely 6-6 finish

pig will be 5-5 after losing on saturday, host latech & finish @ mizzery, again ANOTHER 6-6 finish

lube are 3-6, have murray state this week, a loss to us next week & finish hosting louisville, which is 6-6 or 5-7

that's only 1 for certain (colostate)

 

things that would be nice:

vandy to upset either lsu or tennessee or both

gatah to upset either lsu or olemiss or both

pig to upset mizzery

 

each of those likely gets us a win over a team that finishes above .500 and boosts our SoS

 

obligatory: beat pig

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36 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

BYU has had a bunch of lucky outcomes

I prefer to call it resiliency, never-say-die, the new king of the B12 taking everybody's best shot.

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23 minutes ago, Crockett said:

I prefer to call it resiliency, never-say-die, the new king of the B12 taking everybody's best shot.

And you should. This is the issue with rankings being released every week. All season long we talk about how good teams really are and that makes sense. That's predictive rating. But at the end of the season when it's all done and they're setting the playoff that should be about what you've actually done. Any undefeated team absolutely should be given every benefit of the doubt. 

I am well aware that after Travis went down FSU was nowhere near a top 4 team last year. I said as much at the time. But I still would have put them in the playoff and yes I know what's happened since then. The entire point of the playoff is letting things get proven on the field. Sure we all THINK some teams aren't good. But if nobody has beaten them and they have anything near a respectable schedule (read: not 2023 Liberty) then it hasn't been proven. 

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25 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I am well aware that after Travis went down FSU was nowhere near a top 4 team last year. I said as much at the time. But I still would have put them in the playoff and yes I know what's happened since then. The entire point of the playoff is letting things get proven on the field. Sure we all THINK some teams aren't good. But if nobody has beaten them and they have anything near a respectable schedule (read: not 2023 Liberty) then it hasn't been proven. 

100%. It wasn't even complicated. There were 3 undefeated P5 champs, so they all get in. There were 2 one-loss P5 champs, but they had a head-to-head, so the winner of the head-to-head gets the last spot. 

1) Michigan

2) Washington

3) FSU

4) Texas

Easy, reasonable, defensible, etc. So of course the committee didn't do that. Because it would require leaving the SEC out of the playoffs which is unthinkable. They had to jump through hoops to get an outcome that fit what they wanted to see rather than what made sense. 

It bothered me at the time but it also made me glad that we were moving to the SEC (among other reasons). Bias shouldn't be a part of the process, but as long as it's going to be a factor anyway I'd rather it be in our favor. 

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12 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

100%. It wasn't even complicated. There were 3 undefeated P5 champs, so they all get in. There were 2 one-loss P5 champs, but they had a head-to-head, so the winner of the head-to-head gets the last spot. 

1) Michigan

2) Washington

3) FSU

4) Texas

Easy, reasonable, defensible, etc. So of course the committee didn't do that. Because it would require leaving the SEC out of the playoffs which is unthinkable. They had to jump through hoops to get an outcome that fit what they wanted to see rather than what made sense. 

It bothered me at the time but it also made me glad that we were moving to the SEC (among other reasons). Bias shouldn't be a part of the process, but as long as it's going to be a factor anyway I'd rather it be in our favor. 

Well that and FSU was so banged up and shitty looking to end the year, the committee had to be terrified of a 25-30 point halftime margin between Michigan/FSU or Wash/FSU and all the eyeballs turning it off in the 2nd half. 

They got two one score semifinals, with one going to OT.  

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It was unthinkable to leave the SEC out.  History had proven that given enough mulligans, SEC teams had a good chance of winning 2 or 4 team tournaments.  Especially when they made up 50 or 100% of the field.

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6 minutes ago, El Hornarino said:

It was unthinkable to leave the SEC out.  History had proven that given enough mulligans, SEC teams had a good chance of winning 2 or 4 team tournaments.  Especially when they made up 50 or 100% of the field.

Oh no doubt.  And I think the committee secretly loved it - there was so much drama and speculation and conversation driven by having 5 potential teams for a 4 bid playoff.  

The SEC was never gonna get left out and, to back up the *kaching,* a competitive Alabama squad was going to drive more ratings compared to a flailing ACC team. 

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19 hours ago, Pimphand said:

We always should have kept the BCS rankings it just sucked some years and picking 2 vs 3 but the amount of grievances you have once you are > 10 is really just pointless anyways but it is orders of magnitude better than the stupid committee running a 100% opaque bias riddled piece of shit process.

To my knowledge the PC always followed the top 4 in the BCS Proxy, it would have always been the same final four.  The exception was last year as the BCS computers did not know Travis was out for FSU. 

17 hours ago, El Hornarino said:

Massey Composite Dec 3, 2023

  1. Michigan
  2. Washington
  3. Texas
  4. Ohio State
  5. Alabama
  6. Georgia
  7. Florida State

Reminded me of 2014 when undefeated FSU skated through an easy ACC schedule, was also 7th in the composite IIRC, then was pounded by 39 points in the semi-final.

 

The 2014 Noles did not skate, they did a double axel over obstacles.  They were dead to rites in two games (at least), one of which required a bail out worse than last week's Holy War. 

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18 hours ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

FSU wouldve been in if Travis didnt get hurt though. So your point isnt really valid. 

And leave out the secsecsec?  I doubt it.

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On 11/13/2024 at 4:05 AM, Hook1997 said:

The playoff anger index from ESPN with SMU 2nd with a blind comparison to Texas…..   They reaching a bit. 

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barf.  This is a David Hale article, which always read like a cross between a twitter thread and a bad blog post.

that guy is like The Derel - just the absolute worst.

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Funny that in our first year in the conference where every game is like playing the ‘85 Bears and when we played the defending national champ on the road, our main concern is that we haven’t played anyone worth a fuck…

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The sec sets the schedule up specifically to maximize ranked teams at the end of the season.

Playing 8 conference games instead of 9 makes the whole league look marginally better in comparison to a conference that has 8 more losses. 

And they replace those conference games with absolute dog shit in November. Sec games in November:

Maine

UMass

NM St

Louisiana-Monroe

Murray St

Mercer

UMass again

UTEP

Wofford

Loisiana Tech


That some of you have bought into the idea that the sec cannibalises itself with its brutal conference schedule is laughable bullshit. 

Ole Miss lost to LSU and Kentucky, and they played a ooc schedule of Furman, middle Tennessee, wake, and Georgia southern. 

Ole Miss, A&M, SC, LSU, Missouri, could all have easily dropped an extra conference game and made the league as a whole look worse. 

Hell the winner (and loser) of this uga-tenn game get a pillow soft game next week. Tenn gets utep and uga plays umass. Instead of getting another conference game to follow up this game. 

There’s no clear cut top tier in the sec this year so for some of you the takeaway is “oh that must mean that everyone is awesome”.

s-e-c s-e-c s-e-c

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1 hour ago, heso said:

The sec sets the schedule up specifically to maximize ranked teams at the end of the season.

Playing 8 conference games instead of 9 makes the whole league look marginally better in comparison to a conference that has 8 more losses. 

And they replace those conference games with absolute dog shit in November. Sec games in November:

Maine

UMass

NM St

Louisiana-Monroe

Murray St

Mercer

UMass again

UTEP

Wofford

Loisiana Tech


That some of you have bought into the idea that the sec cannibalises itself with its brutal conference schedule is laughable bullshit. 

Ole Miss lost to LSU and Kentucky, and they played a ooc schedule of Furman, middle Tennessee, wake, and Georgia southern. 

Ole Miss, A&M, SC, LSU, Missouri, could all have easily dropped an extra conference game and made the league as a whole look worse. 

Hell the winner (and loser) of this uga-tenn game get a pillow soft game next week. Tenn gets utep and uga plays umass. Instead of getting another conference game to follow up this game. 

There’s no clear cut top tier in the sec this year so for some of you the takeaway is “oh that must mean that everyone is awesome”.

s-e-c s-e-c s-e-c

I'm sorry, but where are these "everyone is awesome" posts you speak of?

I think most all around here are fully aware of the fuckery of the 8-game schedule and the Annual November Cupcake Parade.

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1 hour ago, heso said:

The sec sets the schedule up specifically to maximize ranked teams at the end of the season.

Playing 8 conference games instead of 9 makes the whole league look marginally better in comparison to a conference that has 8 more losses. 

And they replace those conference games with absolute dog shit in November. Sec games in November:

Maine

UMass

NM St

Louisiana-Monroe

Murray St

Mercer

UMass again

UTEP

Wofford

Loisiana Tech


That some of you have bought into the idea that the sec cannibalises itself with its brutal conference schedule is laughable bullshit. 

Ole Miss lost to LSU and Kentucky, and they played a ooc schedule of Furman, middle Tennessee, wake, and Georgia southern. 

Ole Miss, A&M, SC, LSU, Missouri, could all have easily dropped an extra conference game and made the league as a whole look worse. 

Hell the winner (and loser) of this uga-tenn game get a pillow soft game next week. Tenn gets utep and uga plays umass. Instead of getting another conference game to follow up this game. 

There’s no clear cut top tier in the sec this year so for some of you the takeaway is “oh that must mean that everyone is awesome”.

s-e-c s-e-c s-e-c

We’re not buying the bullshit. We know it’s all bullshit.  The issue is we’re now part of the bullshit. And we’re not getting the benefit of the bullshit.  You digging the bullshit because espn is bullshit. 

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It's been repeated ad nauseum how the 5 seed is the sweet spot in the 12 team format. I also posit the 2 seed may be preferable to the 1 seed because you avoid that vaunted 5 seed in the semis

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6 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

It's been repeated ad nauseum how the 5 seed is the sweet spot in the 12 team format. I also posit the 2 seed may be preferable to the 1 seed because you avoid that vaunted 5 seed in the semis

Yes, assuming the committee plays it straight. I could easily see them swapping the 5 and 6 with a wink and a nod, however. 

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Boise State's conference is absolute dogshit. They are going to face a horrible Colorado State team that somehow ran their conference slate in the CCG. Giving them the 4 seed ahead of 1 loss BYU or 2 loss Prime U is dumb

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17 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

It's been repeated ad nauseum how the 5 seed is the sweet spot in the 12 team format. I also posit the 2 seed may be preferable to the 1 seed because you avoid that vaunted 5 seed in the semis

Idk. Depends who you feel is the stronger runner up in the SEC and BIG.

whichever conference champion is the #1 seed, the other conference’s runner-up will be the 5.

and vice versa for the 2 and 6.

they aren’t going to risk a semi that could be the third time two teams have played. They’ll set it up where the only way that can happen is in the national championship. 

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We have to win out. If we lose to aggy, there's a good chance we're looking at:

10-2 Texas

10-2 aggy

10-2 UGA

10-2 Bama

10-2 Ole Miss

10-2 Tenn

We would be the only team without a signature win, and 2 of those teams would have head-to-head over us. No one will care that Bama lost to Vandy, Ole Miss lost to UK, Tenn lost to Arkansas, etc.

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5 hours ago, cmontexas said:

Boise State's conference is absolute dogshit. They are going to face a horrible Colorado State team that somehow ran their conference slate in the CCG. Giving them the 4 seed ahead of 1 loss BYU or 2 loss Prime U is hilarious and beautiful

Fify

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On 11/15/2024 at 5:23 PM, Ignatius said:

Funny that in our first year in the conference where every game is like playing the ‘85 Bears and when we played the defending national champ on the road, our main concern is that we haven’t played anyone worth a fuck…

I went to a Friendsgiving event in Nashville yesterday. Lots of Tennessee natives and Grads.

In the conversation the thing I realized is that the 3 best QBs in the nation don't play in the SEC. In fact, the "best" QBs in the SEC are all missing aspects. Milroe, Beck and Quinn struggle under pressure. Quinn can't run, Milroe still runs to often, Dart is hit or miss, ironically, and Beck loves to throw INTs. Of those, Dart is, imo probably most consistent, but there isn't one of them I would personally take over Sanders, Gabriel or Ward. It's a weird year for QBs and particularly weird for the SEC.

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I went to a Friendsgiving event in Nashville yesterday. Lots of Tennessee natives and Grads.
In the conversation the thing I realized is that the 3 best QBs in the nation don't play in the SEC. In fact, the "best" QBs in the SEC are all missing aspects. Milroe, Beck and Quinn struggle under pressure. Quinn can't run, Milroe still runs to often, Dart is hit or miss, ironically, and Beck loves to throw INTs. Of those, Dart is, imo probably most consistent, but there isn't one of them I would personally take over Sanders, Gabriel or Ward. It's a weird year for QBs and particularly weird for the SEC.

I would rather have Dillon Gabriel than any of those QBs
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5 minutes ago, Mantis Toboggan, MD said:


I would rather have Dillon Gabriel than any of those QBs

I agree and it's why I listed him with Sanders and Ward as one of the 3 best that weren't in the SEC. Probably, the best of those. I'm just really glad Venables disagreed with both of us.

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I went to a Friendsgiving event in Nashville yesterday. Lots of Tennessee natives and Grads.
In the conversation the thing I realized is that the 3 best QBs in the nation don't play in the SEC. In fact, the "best" QBs in the SEC are all missing aspects. Milroe, Beck and Quinn struggle under pressure. Quinn can't run, Milroe still runs to often, Dart is hit or miss, ironically, and Beck loves to throw INTs. Of those, Dart is, imo probably most consistent, but there isn't one of them I would personally take over Sanders, Gabriel or Ward. It's a weird year for QBs and particularly weird for the SEC.

Seldom in years past has the best qb play been in the sec. Before it was a run based, defense passed offense. It’s only been the last few years the entire league has made the shift to higher scoring offenses and better qb play.
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yes we need to win out if everything stays chalk, also I just want to win out and win the SEC because we are Texas.

However, It is November and it is college football season, there are going to be upsets and chaos over the next 3 weeks and I bet we would get in at 10-2. It is impossible to map out that chaos so it is easier to just not think about it. 

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8 hours ago, cmontexas said:

Boise State's conference is absolute dogshit. They are going to face a horrible Colorado State team that somehow ran their conference slate in the CCG. Giving them the 4 seed ahead of 1 loss BYU or 2 loss Prime U is dumb

It's a good thing that's not going to happen then

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Question.  What is the call for the SEC Championship game loser?  Is that team auto in for making and playing in this extra game, or does the committee not consider this accomplishment and extra game when looking at 2-3 other SEC teams that may have 2 losses?  I.E. a 2 loss team now having 3 losses compared to a couple of 2 loss teams that didn't make the championship game.

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3 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

Question.  What is the call for the SEC Championship game loser?  Is that team auto in for making and playing in this extra game, or does the committee not consider this accomplishment and extra game when looking at 2-3 other SEC teams that may have 2 losses?  I.E. a 2 loss team now having 3 losses compared to a couple of 2 loss teams that didn't make the championship game.

I think the SEC Championship loser has to sweat it out. 

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2 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

I think the SEC Championship loser has to sweat it out. 

Assuming no big injury or getting blown out... 

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7 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

Question.  What is the call for the SEC Championship game loser?  Is that team auto in for making and playing in this extra game, or does the committee not consider this accomplishment and extra game when looking at 2-3 other SEC teams that may have 2 losses?  I.E. a 2 loss team now having 3 losses compared to a couple of 2 loss teams that didn't make the championship game.

Whatever the committee feels like when they wake up that day

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47 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

Question.  What is the call for the SEC Championship game loser?  Is that team auto in for making and playing in this extra game, or does the committee not consider this accomplishment and extra game when looking at 2-3 other SEC teams that may have 2 losses?  I.E. a 2 loss team now having 3 losses compared to a couple of 2 loss teams that didn't make the championship game.

 

39 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Not if they only have two losses.  (This could only be us, I believe.)

Only Texas would get in CFP as SECCG loser if having only 2 loses.

Otherwise, losing team would have 3 loses and would get jumped by the other SEC teams with 2 loses that didn't play in the game. Everything is just too close with few matchups between the top teams to really make anything but loses matter at that point.  SEC likely to get 4 teams in but only teams with 2 or fewer loses. (barring an absolutely chaotic last 2 weeks)

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removed A&M as would be their 3rd loss...as pointed out by others
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8 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

 

Texas or Texas A&M would get in CFP as SECCG loser if having only 2 loses.

Otherwise, losing team would have 3 loses and would get jumped by the other SEC teams with 2 loses that didn't play in the game. Everything is just too close with few matchups between the top teams to really make anything but loses matter at that point.  SEC likely to get 4 teams in but only teams with 2 or fewer loses. (barring an absolutely chaotic last 2 weeks)

Tamu already has 2 losses, so a loss in ccg would give them 3.

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