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So…I feel like political assassination and terrorism, particularly if it winds up being the justification for an authoritarian crackdown or more organized political thuggery, goes well beyond the scope of either the gun control discourse or FAFO territory.

I guess it’s ironic that he said it was “worth it”, and there’s certainly dark humor in the fact that he was shot under a sign that said “prove me wrong”, but none of this shit is going to be funny and nobody is going to care about memes or social media dunks when the tanks roll. 
I’m very worried about the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. It’s not the Reichstag fire, but it certainly takes us a step or two closer to the endgame. 

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1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Goddammit I hate Charlie Kirk. He was a massive piece of shit. 
 

But im NEVER for killing of someone. Like others said, he has a family and this will only bring more pain and violence in the end. This thing is awful for lots of reasons

I'm just gushing thoughts and prayers for this man.

His rhetoric is part of the sinister choir igniting stochastic terrorism. Live by the sword...

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10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

So…I feel like political assassination and terrorism, particularly if it winds up being the justification for an authoritarian crackdown or more organized political thuggery, goes well beyond the scope of either the gun control discourse or FAFO territory.

I guess it’s ironic that he said it was “worth it”, and there’s certainly dark humor in the fact that he was shot under a sign that said “prove me wrong”, but none of this shit is going to be funny and nobody is going to care about memes or social media dunks when the tanks roll. 
I’m very worried about the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. It’s not the Reichstag fire, but it certainly takes us a step or two closer to the endgame. 

Where did you copy / paste that from?

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10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

So…I feel like political assassination and terrorism, particularly if it winds up being the justification for an authoritarian crackdown or more organized political thuggery, goes well beyond the scope of either the gun control discourse or FAFO territory.

I guess it’s ironic that he said it was “worth it”, and there’s certainly dark humor in the fact that he was shot under a sign that said “prove me wrong”, but none of this shit is going to be funny and nobody is going to care about memes or social media dunks when the tanks roll. 
I’m very worried about the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. It’s not the Reichstag fire, but it certainly takes us a step or two closer to the endgame. 

I refuse to believe the death of some influencer is going to be Aldhani but this fucking timeline. 

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Just now, Fudge Nuggets said:

Where did you copy / paste that from?

A text to my daughter. She sent me something from IG about Charlie Kirk saying gun deaths were  “worth it”, and how he had opposed gun regulation etc. what I posted here was my response to her.

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

i have zero condolences, thoughts, or prayers. gun violence is deplorable, but this man spent his adult life fomenting hatred and violence, and he is absolutely (at least partially) responsible for his own assassination. 

i opened up twitter as soon as i heard the news and i saw nothing but high profile left wing politicians and personalities condemning this assassination, and all thoughtless gun and political violence. funny, i’ve never seen the right wing folks react that way any of the dozens of notable times when political violence has been inflicted on the left.

today they will cry foul and will wholly condemn anyone who celebrates this killing, as if they and theirs haven’t been reacting with glee whenever left wing figures are attacked with hammers or shot down in their own homes. that’s why they will get zero sympathy, zero condolences, and zero sadness from me. these people have been fomenting this violent climate for years, and celebrating when it was the other side getting killed. i would never feel sorry for a member of hitler’s gestapo being shot and killed, and i am not sorry, or sad, or offering my condolences for a member of trump’s propaganda machine paying the ultimate price for his own actions.

PM Derka must mean pin a medal on Derka.

They only care about their own. Think of all the shit they made up about Pelosi's husband. They watch police killings of any black person and dig to find some reason or just make it up. They heroized the fuckwad who drove to a protest demonstration and machine gunned people. 

Their spokesman and demigod pardoned the traitors who attacked the Capitol and killed people.

They can all slide into a volcano as far as I'm concerned. Or they can fall prey to a sick fuck like the guy they drove to shoot up the Walmart in El Paso.

It's war. Adopt a harder heart. See clearly. Being soft is no virtue in war. I don't advocate killing, but they are pretty cool with killing us. I don't want to go down offering a hug.

They want to destroy anyone who gets in the way of them setting up their white boy dictatorship dressed as the envy of the world.

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3 hours ago, Chopper said:

So...no?

 

I'm not one for shooting people, but I'm going to be on the look out for "This you" shenanigans.

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I’m not so much worried about tanks, perversely given I live in a red state…I’m more concerned about redneck vigilantes throwing Trump flags, guns, and a gallon of Military Special going door to door for purity tests. 

Austin is surrounded by rural communities filled with right wingers who certainly have plenty of guns, time and motivation on their side.  My neighborhood up here in Cedar Park is heavily Indian and N Asian folks…my kids love doing stuff like Holi and Diwali + we are good friends with a bunch of them…and I could see potential for trouble.  

See that MAGA?  It’s called caring for others…empathy may be too big of a word for you…beside yourself or your carbon copies on Truth Social. 

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3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

That guy is an absolute syphilitic cunt.  The "Bo" is the first indicator.

They're going to get so rabidly focused on this that tomorrow they're going to forget the first rule of 9/11, which is you never forget 9/11.

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5 minutes ago, BearSchlong said:

My thoughts are it’s a shame Kirk didn’t live through the shooting. It would have been better if he had lived long enough for his George Wallace transformation.

Remember which timeline we're in - no way he would have redeemed himself.  He would have turned into a super villain.

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So I imagine it's going to be awhile before anyone is allowed to ask the President why he's lying about his obvious knowledge of a sex workers ring, or why ICE keeps detaining US citizens, or why he's mandating state-sponsored higher education, or why the National Guard only seems to appear in cities that hate him.

Out of respect, of course.

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7 hours ago, BearSchlong said:

My thoughts are it’s a shame Kirk didn’t live through the shooting. It would have been better if he had lived long enough for his George Wallace transformation.

Have you ever listened to the Drive By Truckers sing about Wallace? 

 

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Trump bragged on 9/11/01 about having the tallest building in Manhattan, post attacks (he didn’t) and then later lied and said he was down there pulling people out of rubble.

He’s like the Forrest Gump of being a piece of shit. Name the topic or subject and there he is.

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Keep it vague, American journalists and editors. Conservative politics? WTF does that mean? This lazy, timid shit abetted the enemies of a republic.

Conservative politics:

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Well, maybe we have heard from the party responsible for the shooting playing to an audience with no sense of irony or honesty.

 

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This country (the white or delusional or acquiescent parts) elected their perfect voice. We don't have to be this way. We choose to be this way. Wake the fuck up.

 

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15 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

So…I feel like political assassination and terrorism, particularly if it winds up being the justification for an authoritarian crackdown or more organized political thuggery, goes well beyond the scope of either the gun control discourse or FAFO territory.

I guess it’s ironic that he said it was “worth it”, and there’s certainly dark humor in the fact that he was shot under a sign that said “prove me wrong”, but none of this shit is going to be funny and nobody is going to care about memes or social media dunks when the tanks roll. 
I’m very worried about the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. It’s not the Reichstag fire, but it certainly takes us a step or two closer to the endgame. 

Yeah. This shit stopped being funny besides just straight up gallows humor long ago. 

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13 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah, it’s just the fucking worst. And we’ve done it to ourselves. If you love this country, as I do, you will spend the rest of your days as sad and angry as I am.

Yep. But not the last part. Maybe not the end of my days. 

Many of the condemnations have described Kirk’s assassination as “senseless.”  It’s an interesting word. I’m assuming they either mean it serves no purpose or that it could not have been anticipated. 

The words I would use to describe the assassination are words like devastating, or tragic. Charlie Kirk’s death is tragic on two levels- the private human tragedy of a wife and children who lose a husband and father in the most shattering possible way, and the tragedy for American Democracy.

I brought up the Reichstag fire earlier. This ain’t that, but what they have in common is that it doesn’t really matter who did it or even what their motive was. What matters is that it provided power and energy to drive historical forces in a certain direction, to drive Europe to war. It “made sense” in the context of its moment. 
Assassinations are like that and in some ways that’s what separates them from murders.  The Minnesota lawmakers were assassinated because their murders fit into “the way things are going,” as people say. They fit into the de-civilizing shift from politics to other means.

Frank Ferdinand was assassinated. So were Lincoln, Anwar Sadat, Ghandi, Allende, Yitzhak Rabin, and so on.  Marinus Lubbe may have set the Reichstag fire but he’s not a major character. He just played the role of “arsonist”. Even though  Gavrilo Princip set events in motion that took 100 million lives, he’s not widely seen as a major villain. In Serbia he’s a national hero, but mostly he’s just the guy who happened to play the role of inevitable spark that sets the world on fire and if it wasn’t him it would have been somebody else. Did Lubbe set the fire? Did Jefferson Davis orchestrate the conspiracy to kill Lincoln? Did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone? Does it *aftually* matter?

When Princip pulls the trigger all the pieces are in place for World War. When Lincoln died the pieces are in place to roll back reconstruction.  When Kennedy goes to Dallas the pieces are in place in Vietnam, big business is eyeing Vegas, and the largest generation in history is already starting to think out loud about whether the whole structure of society is a meat grinder.

My point is that until we know who did it, we won’t know the specifics of why Kirk died. But we intuitively understand why, because it sadly, tragically fits into the way things are going. We don’t know how this chapter of history ends (it will end, but we don’t know how or when), but it feels like we’re in the climax, the moment when things get really bad. 

But they don’t have to! There have been other times when it felt this way. There’s always another chapter. The farmer’s son falls from his horse and is injured. People console the farmer. “We’ll see,” he says. War breaks out and the army doesn’t take his son. People are happy for the farmer. “We’ll see.” 

You know my point of view and my posture here remains the same. It goes bad a long, long time: I walk in the sunshine, I try to be a good neighbor, I buy Green Tips, and pray to never need them. My priorities are to do good, work hard and have a good time. With any luck my grandchildren will tell their kids about their silly old grandfather, a jolly old soul with malice towards none who armed himself for reasons which, in retrospect, made no sense. 

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34 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

But we intuitively understand why, because it sadly, tragically fits into the way things are going. We don’t know how this chapter of history ends (it will end, but we don’t know how or when), but it feels like we’re in the climax, the moment when things get really bad. 

I don't think I agree with you here. The only reason I know the name Charlie Kirk is because of this messageboard. After his death like 3 friends talked about it. I was on a call with peers at work and someone asked outloud "Who is this Kirk guy that died? just got an alert" from a team of people who watch CNBC daily. I think if you are super active online it probably feels the way you bolded, but I'm not seeing it in real life.

The markets have been shrugging off everything. Tariffs, for the most part. Bombing Qatar (Hamas) was a huge deal with huge implications-- barely registered on mainstream media fronts. All anyone cares about in the world I see everyday has been a) Oracle's out of the blue story b) "did you see the new iphone air? when are airbuds 3.0 coming?", and most importantly and the bullhorn in every room c) AI bubble/boom. And that seems to be all the market cares about as well right now.

tl;dr Long way to say, I don't agree it feels like a climax. Kirk is not a Lincoln or Franz Ferdinand or anyone else of widespread fame/infamy. He seems to be known, loved or hated, by the chronicaly online and vocal minority.

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Trump bragged on 9/11/01 about having the tallest building in Manhattan, post attacks (he didn’t) and then later lied and said he was down there pulling people out of rubble.

He’s like the Forrest Gump of being a piece of shit. Name the topic or subject and there he is.

That may still be the most galling thing the orange demon has ever said publicly, which is incredible given the competition. 

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13 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I don't think I agree with you here. The only reason I know the name Charlie Kirk is because of this messageboard. After his death like 3 friends talked about it. I was on a call with peers at work and someone asked outloud "Who is this Kirk guy that died? just got an alert" from a team of people who watch CNBC daily. I think if you are super active online it probably feels the way you bolded, but I'm not seeing it in real life.

The markets have been shrugging off everything. Tariffs, for the most part. Bombing Qatar (Hamas) was a huge deal with huge implications-- barely registered on mainstream media fronts. All anyone cares about in the world I see everyday has been a) Oracle's out of the blue story and b) AI bubble/boom. And that seems to be all the market cares about as well right now.

tl;dr Long way to say, I don't agree it feels like a climax. Kirk is not a Lincoln or Franz Ferdinand or anyone else of widespread fame/infamy. He seems to be known, loved or hated, by the chronicaly online and vocal minority.

A vocal minority? History is written by vocal minorities. I have never seen the  American Right angrier or more frustrated than it is right now, and that was before Charlie Kirk got killed. It  probably doesn’t start the fire that burns down the Republic, but it’s certainly more kindling on the pile.

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20 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I don't think I agree with you here. The only reason I know the name Charlie Kirk is because of this messageboard. After his death like 3 friends talked about it. I was on a call with peers at work and someone asked outloud "Who is this Kirk guy that died? just got an alert" from a team of people who watch CNBC daily. I think if you are super active online it probably feels the way you bolded, but I'm not seeing it in real life.

The markets have been shrugging off everything. Tariffs, for the most part. Bombing Qatar (Hamas) was a huge deal with huge implications-- barely registered on mainstream media fronts. All anyone cares about in the world I see everyday has been a) Oracle's out of the blue story b) "did you see the new iphone air? when are airbuds 3.0 coming?", and most importantly and the bullhorn in every room c) AI bubble/boom. And that seems to be all the market cares about as well right now.

tl;dr Long way to say, I don't agree it feels like a climax. Kirk is not a Lincoln or Franz Ferdinand or anyone else of widespread fame/infamy. He seems to be known, loved or hated, by the chronicaly online and vocal minority.

Trump is making him out to be a martyr.  He will turn this into a catalyst to further his administrations oppressive agenda.  I say administration because I think he's the puppet and his administration is pulling the strings with the rhetoric.

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