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1 minute ago, LCHorn said:

I know several ICE agents that are USMC vets.  They are going to follow orders short of anything clearly illegal, but anything on that slippery slope is likely to get obeyed.  It’s just how they have been trained and follows their natural instincts.  DHS is probably similar-they just aren’t trained for independent decision making that conflicts with senior leadership.

I don’t know but it sure seems like many of the ICE agents and border patrol are fucking racists.

I hate racists.

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3 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

I don’t know but it sure seems like many of the ICE agents and border patrol are fucking racists.

I hate racists.

Most of them in Texas are 2nd or 3rd generation Tex Mex-racism isn’t a big part of it, though I’m sure they aren’t trying to closely examine what they have in common with migrants getting deported.  

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26 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Although they're all cops, I think the feebs are by and large a significant cut above most DHS agents in education, training, and sense of their role in government.

It's probably unlikely across the board, but much more likely in the FBI than other federal law enforcement.

FBI requires a bachelors degree doesn’t it?  Can’t imagine ice or dhs does. 

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Although they're all cops, I think the feebs are by and large a significant cut above most DHS agents in education, training, and sense of their role in government.

It's probably unlikely across the board, but much more likely in the FBI than other federal law enforcement.

Organizations build cultures over time and culture is powerful. There is a reason for example, that the Red Army was a target and not a tool of repression. 
 

DHS and ICE are uniquely suited for being tools of abuse. 
 

We are not that far away in time from when FBI agents only wore white dress shirts.  Hoover certainly abused liberties, but he built the bureau into one of the most trusted and elite institutions in America.  You cannot imagine Hoover’s G-Men wearing balaclavas and disappearing people. Subsequent reforms made it hard for them to return to freelancing.  It attracts a better class of person with more education and more options and they tell you your job is to catch spies and terrorists and the worst criminals. They are told that to do their job effectively they must be trusted by everyone but the real baddies. They believe it, mostly. 
 

The CIA cannot be effectively and widely used against regular Americans. The people they hire and the skills they recruit for are completely unsuited to doing something like listening to opposition politicians or infiltrating domestic gatherings.  Their people would be angry, insulted, and resentful if you even asked.  Not even on (only) moral grounds but simply because they’d be bored and see it as beneath them.

DEA and ATF are cowboys who deal with a lower class of criminal, who often are immediate and urgent threats. Adrenaline junkies who want to kick down doors and exchange fire (or at least they imagine they are). Again— nothing would be more insulting to them than to ask them to go put cuffs on a fucking mayor who is angry about a new jail.

DHS is new and has no real culture and is a hodgepodge of weird toys. ICE is already conditioned to arrest people who are not really dangerous and whose crime is really just procedural and administrative. They are comfortable rounding people up with a standard of evidence much lower than for a real court.  They are conditioned (unlike the FBI) to go into communities and be feared and distrusted even by people who aren’t doing anything wrong.  They are a large force present across the country.  They are perfect for this stuff. 

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2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Organizations build cultures over time and culture is powerful. There is a reason for example, that the Red Army was a target and not a tool of repression. 
 

DHS and ICE are uniquely suited for being tools of abuse. 
 

We are not that far away in time from when FBI agents only wore white dress shirts.  Hoover certainly abused liberties, but he built the bureau into one of the most trusted and elite institutions in America.  You cannot imagine Hoover’s G-Men wearing balaclavas and disappearing people. Subsequent reforms made it hard for them to return to freelancing.  It attracts a better class of person with more education and more options and they tell you your job is to catch spies and terrorists and the worst criminals. They are told that to do their job effectively they must be trusted by everyone but the real baddies. They believe it, mostly. 
 

The CIA cannot be effectively and widely used against regular Americans. The people they hire and the skills they recruit for are completely unsuited to doing something like listening to opposition politicians or infiltrating domestic gatherings.  Their people would be angry, insulted, and resentful if you even asked.  Not even on (only) moral grounds but simply because they’d be bored and see it as beneath them.

DEA and ATF are cowboys who deal with a lower class of criminal, who often are immediate and urgent threats. Adrenaline junkies who want to kick down doors and exchange fire (or at least they imagine they are). Again— nothing would be more insulting to them than to ask them to go put cuffs on a fucking mayor who is angry about a new jail.

DHS is new and has no real culture and is a hodgepodge of weird toys. ICE is already conditioned to arrest people who are not really dangerous and whose crime is really just procedural and administrative. They are comfortable rounding people up with a standard of evidence much lower than for a real court.  They are conditioned (unlike the FBI) to go into communities and be feared and distrusted even by people who aren’t doing anything wrong.  They are a large force present across the country.  They are perfect for this stuff. 

Good analysis, I think.

All LEO have a tendency to suffer self-righteousness and becoming true believers in whatever harm or crime they are directed against and to cultivate contempt for those they arrest, and probably a goodly number of those they don't.  It takes some intelligence, empathy, and higher-order thinking to restrain that tendency.  Education and training don't guarantee any of that, but probably help and I think FBI is the leader in the clubhouse on those things.

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4 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Will be there monday. Will try and get a picture. If it is still up.

Land Thursday, one of us has to get it.  It's petty but shit like this drives Trump and his minions insane...so keep it up. 

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8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Good analysis, I think.

All LEO have a tendency to suffer self-righteousness and becoming true believers in whatever harm or crime they are directed against and to cultivate contempt for those they arrest, and probably a goodly number of those they don't.  It takes some intelligence, empathy, and higher-order thinking to restrain that tendency.  Education and training don't guarantee any of that, but probably help and I think FBI is the leader in the clubhouse on those things.

I don’t think you can underestimate the ethos of building cases for real courts either.  Most Feds, and especially the FBI, want to return a real indictment that leads to a conviction.  Or on the FBI side, they want to catch a spy or real terrorist and preferably do both.
 

The FBI isn’t event interested in inside government threats and clearance shit unless it’s going to return an indictment or reveal actual espionage; the ticky-tack administrative violations are left to individual agencies for HR actions and shit. Same with DEA, they want cases or maybe a dead body from a firefight. 
 

ICE certainly has some investigative function and goes after real criminals but a big part of the work is just rounding up people who have a deportation order or no papers.  So it’s not a big mental leap to “go arrest that guy cause we said so.” 

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19 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I don’t think you can underestimate the ethos of building cases for real courts either.  Most Feds, and especially the FBI, want to return a real indictment that leads to a conviction.  Or on the FBI side, they want to catch a spy or real terrorist and preferably do both.
 

The FBI isn’t event interested in inside government threats and clearance shit unless it’s going to return an indictment or reveal actual espionage; the ticky-tack administrative violations are left to individual agencies for HR actions and shit. Same with DEA, they want cases or maybe a dead body from a firefight. 
 

ICE certainly has some investigative function and goes after real criminals but a big part of the work is just rounding up people who have a deportation order or no papers.  So it’s not a big mental leap to “go arrest that guy cause we said so.” 

Excellent point.  DOJ lawyers keep the feebs on their toes.  And notwithstanding Trumpco, AUSAs and other DOJ lawyers are pretty head-and-shoulders above most other agency lawyers, and state prosecutors, for that matter.

Threadjack a little.  I have read this guy's, Robert Dugoni's, crime fiction for a while.  It's decentish, like a lot of other sort of pulpy crime fiction.  But he was an actual lawyer, and wrote this non-fiction account of an early EPA environmental case and the politics, small p, among federal agencies and how the EPA really was quite a bit of a bastard in the early going..  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743246527/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=bsio-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=0743246527

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41 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Excellent point.  DOJ lawyers keep the feebs on their toes.  And notwithstanding Trumpco, AUSAs and other DOJ lawyers are pretty head-and-shoulders above most other agency lawyers, and state prosecutors, for that matter.

Threadjack a little.  I have read this guy's, Robert Dugoni's, crime fiction for a while.  It's decentish, like a lot of other sort of pulpy crime fiction.  But he was an actual lawyer, and wrote this non-fiction account of an early EPA environmental case and the politics, small p, among federal agencies and how the EPA really was quite a bit of a bastard in the early going..  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743246527/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=bsio-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=0743246527

The people who become AUSAs and agents or really anything during this admin are going to be some real pieces of work. 

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On 5/9/2025 at 6:38 PM, 956 Worldwide said:

They fired the Librarian today basically for being a black woman today. Needless to say:

1. The Library of Congress doesn’t have a children’s loaning section. Or any loaning section. 
2. The Library of Congress has all the books. Literally all of them. It’s part of the copyright process.

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2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The people who become AUSAs and agents or really anything during this admin are going to be some real pieces of work. 

I have been keeping an eye on it and have identified some of the Trumpkin advocates.  

There's too much workaday, apolitical work in the US Attorneys offices and they're largely staffed with longtime civil servants and I bet that won't change too much even if the USAs wind up being pieces of shit like Ed Martin and Judge Jeannine.

For example, Chad Meacham, USA ND Tex was appointed by Biden for part of his term and re-appointed by Trump as acting.  Not sure if he's up for the full appointment.  He's been there at least 20 years. 

SD Tex seems to have a bit of a hack, but has been there a long time.

Main justice is getting a lot of turds for sure.  It's gonna need a high colonic.

 

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When an extremely destructive F5 tornado hit Moore, Oklahoma in 2013, the city received about $13 million from FEMA and another $52 million from HUD for a total of $65 million. The charity, Americares, was able to donate about $3 million. Since it's likely that HUD will be joining FEMA in the 'new phone who dis' category, and the state would have to pick up the tab were something so catastrophic were to recur, Oklahoma and every other state (pretty much all of them) had better start manufacturing bootstraps because they're going to need them.

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20 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

When an extremely destructive F5 tornado hit Moore, Oklahoma in 2013, the city received about $13 million from FEMA and another $52 million from HUD for a total of $65 million. The charity, Americares, was able to donate about $3 million. Since it's likely that HUD will be joining FEMA in the 'new phone who dis' category, and the state would have to pick up the tab were something so catastrophic were to recur, Oklahoma and every other state (pretty much all of them) had better start manufacturing bootstraps because they're going to need them.

If another F5 hits and there’s nothing there to help

 

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20 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

Not sure where to post this but I thought it important to share this anecdote.

Childhood friend married a polish immigrant 25 years ago. His parents brought him over during the Cold war. They know fascism. Bizarrely enough they are also hard core maga, even now.

During a visit to the parents home the conversation eventually struck the maga event horizon. The MIL went on a maga tirade resulting in kicking her son, my friend, AND her grandson out of the house.

This shit is a mind warping disease not unlike dementia.

Our propaganda news channels combined with facebook, twitter and like-minded people getting together has made this mess. It is absolutely a disease of the mind and doctors and psychologists will be studying this for decades. A lot of people we know have fallen victim to this cult. The sad part is listening to people who don't realize they are being played for a fool and became an easy mark. It was not easy for us to get to this point and it won't be easy to get through this, but I think as a society we are strong enough to do it.

When I think about what is happening and what kind of strength we'll need as individuals I refer back to a Civil Rights icon in John Lewis. When you read about what happened to him, not just Bloody Sunday, but the entirety of his experience during the Civil Rights movement it reminds that we can push back against fascism the same way he pushed back against racism and the lack of equal rights. He got tossed in jail so many times and was treated like he was not even a human being. That man had every right to hate America, but he loved this country so much that he spent the last 34 years of his life in Congress trying to make this a better place. We can have that same energy he had. He got in good trouble. We can do that too. I don't want my 6 year old niece and 3 year old nephew to grow up in a country run by hateful, racist white nationalists. Many of you have kids and grandkids now. They don't deserve that either. They deserve a country that is for everyone and not just white people. We gotta just do better. This sucks. There is no way to say otherwise, but we have so many really smart people in this community that can make positive contributions right now to fight back. Stay the course on this and eventually the tide turns and they all get washed away into the dustbin of history.

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1 hour ago, UpperWestside said:

...and doctors and psychologists in other countries that fund scientific research will be studying this for decades.

FIFY.

Heard that NSF laid off another round of employees. Academia is facing some very real very bleak problems given that most states have reduced their portions of higher ed support. An MD-Phd scholar cannot rely on NIH funding for mental health as that was one of the areas with cuts. In the state of Texas, it is the teaching portion of the trifecta (teaching, academic research, and service) that brings in dollars and one of the reasons why tuition grew so high when the state cut out its support. However, what the *research grants fund are not insignificant and not meant to imply that there is no economic benefit to the universities, the local communities, the states, and the nation (not to mention the world at large).

*Salaries (for post-doctoral positions, lab managers, PhD candidates, etc), supplies, equipment (this is often a pooled shared resource to save start-up funds), and doesn't include the cut off the top that the institution takes for utilities, maintenance, staff support, and so on.

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16 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Organizations build cultures over time and culture is powerful. There is a reason for example, that the Red Army was a target and not a tool of repression. 
 

DHS and ICE are uniquely suited for being tools of abuse. 
 

We are not that far away in time from when FBI agents only wore white dress shirts.  Hoover certainly abused liberties, but he built the bureau into one of the most trusted and elite institutions in America.  You cannot imagine Hoover’s G-Men wearing balaclavas and disappearing people. Subsequent reforms made it hard for them to return to freelancing.  It attracts a better class of person with more education and more options and they tell you your job is to catch spies and terrorists and the worst criminals. They are told that to do their job effectively they must be trusted by everyone but the real baddies. They believe it, mostly. 
 

The CIA cannot be effectively and widely used against regular Americans. The people they hire and the skills they recruit for are completely unsuited to doing something like listening to opposition politicians or infiltrating domestic gatherings.  Their people would be angry, insulted, and resentful if you even asked.  Not even on (only) moral grounds but simply because they’d be bored and see it as beneath them.

DEA and ATF are cowboys who deal with a lower class of criminal, who often are immediate and urgent threats. Adrenaline junkies who want to kick down doors and exchange fire (or at least they imagine they are). Again— nothing would be more insulting to them than to ask them to go put cuffs on a fucking mayor who is angry about a new jail.

DHS is new and has no real culture and is a hodgepodge of weird toys. ICE is already conditioned to arrest people who are not really dangerous and whose crime is really just procedural and administrative. They are comfortable rounding people up with a standard of evidence much lower than for a real court.  They are conditioned (unlike the FBI) to go into communities and be feared and distrusted even by people who aren’t doing anything wrong.  They are a large force present across the country.  They are perfect for this stuff. 

It should also be noted that some of those non-insignia/masked people can also be private security firms or freelancers.  IIRC the guy in Massachusetts who broke the window of the people waiting to see their immigration lawyer was not an actual government employee. 

I'd say in about 6 months their will be a division of J6ers getting paid to arrest anyone they think looks suspicious.

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I'm not a legal scholar, but I'm pretty sure the President cannot accept personal gifts from foreign governments or officials without the consent of Congress. This is stipulated by the US Constitution (Article I, Section 9) and the Foreign Gifts and Decorations Act of 1966. 

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9 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

When an extremely destructive F5 tornado hit Moore, Oklahoma in 2013, the city received about $13 million from FEMA and another $52 million from HUD for a total of $65 million. The charity, Americares, was able to donate about $3 million. Since it's likely that HUD will be joining FEMA in the 'new phone who dis' category, and the state would have to pick up the tab were something so catastrophic were to recur, Oklahoma and every other state (pretty much all of them) had better start manufacturing bootstraps because they're going to need them.

If you live in an area that could be impacted, time to talk to your neighbors. The ones you like. If you don't fuck em.

1- Who can do what? Anyone with skills or tools for after an emergency? Medic, have a chainsaw, etc.

2- Map. What are your routes out? Are there alternates?

3- The 72 hour bag? Yeah, fuck that, move it to 7-14 days.

4- Buy a weapon. One thing FEMA did was pay for extra police hours until the National Guard is deployed.

The states should carry more weight, but they are not ready. Shit takes time. Like building a National Champion football team.

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9 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:


And yet, here we are.

Do you think this Congress will attempt to stop him?

The caveat I think is the end user. It goes to his library.

"My fellow Americans, I know times are hard. Eggs cost 18/dozen. But check out my new jet from Sand Aggy."

4 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

all houston hurricanes, i'm leaving town 

With National weather down, will you know?

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1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

The caveat I think is the end user. It goes to his library.

"My fellow americans, I konw times are hard. Eggs cost 18/dozen. But check out my new jet from Sand Aggy."

With National weather down, will you know?

 

back of my neck will tingle 

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Just now, tx 3 putt said:

 

back of my neck will tingle 

That can be watching UT football. It is when your balls shrink that you know it is coming. Pressure and all that

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If you live in an area that could be impacted, time to talk to your neighbors. The ones you like. If you don't fuck em.
1- Who can do what? Anyone with skills or tools for after an emergency? Medic, have a chainsaw, etc.
2- Map. What are your routes out? Are there alternates?
3- The 72 hour bag? Yeah, fuck that, move it to 7-14 days.
4- Buy a weapon. One thing FEMA did was pay for extra police hours until the National Guard is deployed.
The states should carry more weight, but they are not ready. Shit takes time. Like building a National Champion football team.
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Counterpoint: fuck em all. They probably voted for Trump. Take care of yourself, and arm up to fend off the zombie trumpers. That’s it, that’s your full prep. If they need food, water, help removing debris….thoughts and prayers.
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30 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

 

I'm not a legal scholar, but I'm pretty sure the President cannot accept personal gifts from foreign governments or officials without the consent of Congress. This is stipulated by the US Constitution (Article I, Section 9) and the Foreign Gifts and Decorations Act of 1966. 

Yeah, about that…

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34 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

 

I'm not a legal scholar, but I'm pretty sure the President cannot accept personal gifts from foreign governments or officials without the consent of Congress. This is stipulated by the US Constitution (Article I, Section 9) and the Foreign Gifts and Decorations Act of 1966. 

I feel better now, he checked that out already

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Sources told ABC News that Attorney General Pam Bondi and Trump's top White House lawyer David Warrington concluded it would be "legally permissible" for the donation of the aircraft to be conditioned on transferring its ownership to Trump's presidential library before the end of his term, according to sources familiar with their determination.

 

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27 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:


And yet, here we are.

Do you think this Congress will attempt to stop him?

When it comes to Trump they are repeatedly gargling the little button mushroom. So, no I don't think they'll stop him.

 

Fingers crossed the gift from Qatar doesn't have a remote kill switch to the engines. 

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10 minutes ago, tx ind said:

Sources told ABC News that Attorney General Pam Bondi and Trump's top White House lawyer David Warrington concluded it would be "legally permissible" for the donation of the aircraft to be conditioned on transferring its ownership to Trump's presidential library before the end of his term, according to sources familiar with their determination.

I wonder if there is anything that Bondi would deem legally impermissible for Trump. Like, anything. "Hey Rachel Maddow really pissed me off with her show the other night. I was thinking about having her knocked off."

"Of course! it would be reckless to not do it, Mr. President."

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6 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I wonder if there is anything that Bondi would deem legally impermissible for Trump. Like, anything. "Hey Rachel Maddow really pissed me off with her show the other night. I was thinking about having her knocked off."

"Of course! it would be reckless to not do it, Mr. President."

As long as we go thru official channels, sir, it’s allowed. 

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39 minutes ago, tx ind said:

I feel better now, he checked that out already

 

And also that it wasn't "conditioned on an official act."  Mhm.

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31 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I wonder if there is anything that Bondi would deem legally impermissible for Trump. Like, anything. "Hey Rachel Maddow really pissed me off with her show the other night. I was thinking about having her knocked off."

"Of course! it would be reckless to not do it, Mr. President."

Evolution of a profession in crisis:

2002-2005: John Yoo, Alberto Gonzales and others write secret memos outlining that torture is permissible (and not actually really torture) because reasons.

2020: Cleta Mitchell and others orchestrate plan to defraud courts in pursuit of illegally overturning a free and fair election. 

2024- ? : Pam Bondi and her successors write public opinions outlining that the language of the constitution should not be interpreted to limit this president and his designated successors, and that no reason or justification is needed to permit his or their actions. 
@TwiceHorn weighs in that these opinions are “dubious,” but that the constitution “doesn’t have a lot to say about accepting jets,” and at any rate lawyers aren’t in the midst of an ethical crisis that doesn’t also apply to carpet installers and independent Scentsy consultants. 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:


Counterpoint: fuck em all. They probably voted for Trump. Take care of yourself, and arm up to fend off the zombie trumpers. That’s it, that’s your full prep. If they need food, water, help removing debris….thoughts and prayers.

No.

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34 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Evolution of a profession in crisis:

2002-2005: John Yoo, Alberto Gonzales and others write secret memos outlining that torture is permissible (and not actually really torture) because reasons.

2020: Cleta Mitchell and others orchestrate plan to defraud courts in pursuit of illegally overturning a free and fair election. 

2024- ? : Pam Bondi and her successors write public opinions outlining that the language of the constitution should not be interpreted to limit this president and his designated successors, and that no reason or justification is needed to permit his or their actions. 
@TwiceHorn weighs in that these opinions are “dubious,” but that the constitution “doesn’t have a lot to say about accepting jets,” and at any rate lawyers aren’t in the midst of an ethical crisis that doesn’t also apply to carpet installers and independent Scentsy consultants. 

Did the profession stop being in crisis during the Clinton and Obama administrations?

Was it in crisis when FDR was pulling his stunts?  Should the government lawyers defending Korematsu have been disbarred?

How about when Lincoln suspended habeas corpus without Congressional consent?  Should he have been disbarred?

There are two sides to every dispute.  One ends up being wrong most of the time.  Sometimes they're more wrong than other times. In some cases, they actually advocate an unconstitutional position. Gasp. Does that make them un-American?  Or does it depend on HOW unconstitutional it is?  Who's the arbitrator of that? 

How do you solve this alleged crisis?  Do you disbar every lawyer that advocates an unconstitutional position?  Or one that isn't actually supported by facts (short of actually lying to the tribunal)?

What if a lawyer brings a righteous civil rights case that's borderline frivolous in view of settled law, or requires development of facts in discovery and the fact don't develop?  Disbarred or disciplined if they lose?  Or is it the purity of the motivation that matters?

 

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I'm listening to John Heilmann's podcast, and an interesting point from Michael Scherer of the Atlantic. He said interviewing Dotard, that he expressed concern about the lack of democratic opposition to him. "He spoke of it almost mournfully". It's why he keeps bringing up Biden all the time. He needs the bad guy, or the heel. 

Seriously democrats, you've got Dotard feeling sad that there is no opposition to him. Great, great work. 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

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Surely you don't think the Bondi et al opinion is valid?  I mean, how clear does this have to be?  There is NOTHING remotely close to "it's OK if a gift is temporary and is transferred to a (currently nonexistent) Presidential library before leaving office".  It would seem the only way to legally get around this (ha!) would be with the approval of Congress.  Whether that's a majority or a super majority, I don't know.

  • Clause 8 Titles of Nobility and Foreign Emoluments
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28 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Surely you don't think the Bondi et al opinion is valid?  I mean, how clear does this have to be?  There is NOTHING remotely close to "it's OK if a gift is temporary and is transferred to a (currently nonexistent) Presidential library before leaving office".  It would seem the only way to legally get around this (ha!) would be with the approval of Congress.  Whether that's a majority or a super majority, I don't know.

  • Clause 8 Titles of Nobility and Foreign Emoluments
  • No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Of course I don't.  I don't think half the shit my opponents dredge up is valid at all.

But you see, Bondi's opinion sidesteps the existence and enforceability of the Emoluments Clause by claiming that it's a) a gift not to Trump but to USAF and b) to Trump's library post-office.  It of course ignores that Trump is the beneficiary or beneficial owner of the aircraft completely and at all times.  And the ludicrousness that it isn't conditioned on an official act.

But as we have seen from prior cases, without a statutory enactment from Congress implementing the Emoluments Clause, it's difficult to enforce.

But, if we disbar or discipline or whatever all the lawyers that make shitty arguments, like "frivolous tort lawsuits," we're gonna have a problem.

I'm not addressing or defending in any way the shitass arguments and positions of Trump and Trump lawyers.  But again, if we disbar every lawyer that makes a shitass argument, it's gonna be a problem.

I'm addressing Bozo's contention that the legal profession is somehow in a greater crisis than ever before.  Is there a crisis in this country?  Yes, absolutely.  Is it somehow more acute for the legal profession?  I'm not really seeing it.  The larger proportion of the legal profession on the front lines of this stuff is fighting it and winning.

I mean, you have a couple hundred lawyers doing shit legal work in support of a shit regime.  The greater balance of lawyers oppose it.

You have several thousand legislators sitting idle or actively passing unconstitutional and "UnAmerican" legislation.  Even the ones ostensibly on our team can't get off their ass.

You have 50 million American voters voting for lies or hatred or some combination of both.

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