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3 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

I'm sure he was nice to his kind.  It's just the rest of the world that he spewed hatred about.

From what I can tell he was a nice enough guy behind closed doors. He was playing a character for money out in public.

This situation is extremely disheartening on so many levels. First we have the reality that people are just being shot out in public. Granted that has been a thing for awhile now but damn, you know, you wonder how long public appearances by even C list celebrities are not going to be insane with security.

I was only vaguely aware of Charlie Kirk before this. Every once in a while his name would come up because of some particularly terrible way he dodged a good faith point in a debate or some gross thing he said on one of his...shows or whatever he did. But it wasn't like he stood much to me in the vast sea of right wing provocateurs or just general debate bros of any variety. Anybody who is celebrating this or laughing or thinking this somehow does anything positive is delusional. He probably did not even believe half the stuff the said, he was just doing the job that got him paid and there will be plenty more willing to step into his shoes...and even if nobody does there already exist dozens more like him currently out there. I have only condolences to his wife and child and his family. What a terrible thing. From what I have seen Kirk was perfectly kind of leftists behind the scenes but then would be a jerk when doing his schtick.

But Kirk himself is far from the upsetting thing here. First the narrative seems to be that he is some kind of martyr for free speech and a principled person, we don't even know why he was killed and by whom. It seems obvious to me he was performing and doing a job. You don't attack leftists publicly like he did and then be kind to them behind the scenes if you mean it. If Vaush or Hasan or some leftist equivalent got gunned down that would be upsetting but I wouldn't expect some great outpouring about what an inspirational hero he was. So that is worrisome. And the narrative seems to be that we leftists like this, that we are laughing at it, that somehow we see this as a win. I don't think that is true for anybody with half a brain, though plenty of morons online don't have half a brain. But it also is just the assumption. We have plenty of people coming in here accusing us, without even quoting anybody or challenging anything in particular, of just that. The fact that no influencer or Democratic politician of any significance is doing that is not even important, that is the narrative. That is dangerous. And on the other hand we have the President outright blaming us for it and delighted that he can use this tragedy to enact his political agenda.

It is just bad all the way around. A true shit sandwich in a garbage year. 

I guess we could go around tone policing every post on the CR to show that we are not, in fact, laughing at this and think it is great but I don't know what different it would make. This is the narrative and it probably doesn't matter what we actually do. If we didn't laugh and celebrate it then some bot on twitter would and it would be quoted to get everybody riled up. It is hard not to feel hopeless.

Anyway sorry you got negged @Macklemore, I had nothing to do with it.

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2 minutes ago, T-shirt Sip said:

As of the moment of this post, I haven't seen that the shooter was caught so give me some liberty if he has. I'm on page 11.  Wouldn't it be great if Charlie was banging some married chick and this was just her husband? 

If it turned out to be something personal and not political at all, that would be a positive development under the circumstances. Might not matter though, the narrative seems set.

Just now, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Equating Charlie Kirk getting murdered and the worst act of terrorism on domestic soil where almost 3,000 innocent people were snuffed out is definitely a shitty take. If that is who your dentist hires, I would find another dentist.

 

Eh it is just the hygienist. They probably won't be there long.

Just nod and be silent when people say things like this.

Posted
2 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

From what I can tell he was a nice enough guy behind closed doors. He was playing a character for money out in public.

I don't understand the point of people saying stuff like this.

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6 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Dumbass my post in DT was moved to CR without my consent by elfenix. I have no desire to engage with the CR.

Slightly more understandable -- apologies, I had missed that because the thread went from 10ish pages to 24 while I was offline -- but you had other choices yet here you are, engaging in CR.

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7 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Dumbass my post in DT was moved to CR without my consent by elfenix. I have no desire to engage with the CR.

Yet here you are 

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3 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

I guess we could go around tone policing every post on the CR to show that we are not, in fact, laughing at this and think it is great but I don't know what different it would make. This is the narrative and it probably doesn't matter what we actually do. If we didn't laugh and celebrate it then some bot on twitter would and it would be quoted to get everybody riled up. It is hard not to feel hopeless.

 

the running narrative that is the tone of the DT thread is that "the left LOVES this" without a hint of irony after posting "midterms secured"

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Just now, wildcat09 said:

I don't understand the point of people saying stuff like this.

Just showing he wasn't some martyr for free speech. It was all a cynical game. We saw similar stuff at how the Fox News people really thought about things during that law suit with the Voting Machine company.

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3 minutes ago, T-shirt Sip said:

As of the moment of this post, I haven't seen that the shooter was caught so give me some liberty if he has. I'm on page 11.  Wouldn't it be great if Charlie was banging some married chick and this was just her husband? 

Not to disrespect the deceased too much but I don't think he was attractive in that kind of way.

Spedific to the investigation; how much can the higher ups (officials) be trusted to report the facts on the perpetrator vs spin it to spiral up the divisiveness? I don't have a lot of confidence.

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2 minutes ago, immamac said:

And/or its information that is released by a source that is known to have those ties and is plausible and not in completely conspiracy theory land. 

moving my reply to the appropriate thread.... Crowder certainly IS a conspiracy loon - he was a leading COVID truther and pushed Jan6 and Qanon bullshit. But in this specific case it's not surprising DOJ would reach out

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4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

the running narrative that is the tone of the DT thread is that "the left LOVES this" without a hint of irony after posting "midterms secured"

I don't know if that is the tone of DT thread. I don't recall posting "midterms secured." 

Just going by what the President and other national leaders have said. I don't put you posters in that category.

Edit: Oh you mean somebody in the DT thread thought that this assassination secured the midterms for the Republicans? Well fuck. 

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Just now, Captainant said:

moving my reply to the appropriate thread.... Crowder certainly IS a conspiracy loon - he was a leading COVID truther and pushed Jan6 and Qanon bullshit. But in this specific case it's not surprising DOJ would reach out

I mean the last part is what I meant. It's believable that he's getting those texts. 

Posted
1 hour ago, ChickenSandwich said:

10 years of the dehumanization of those you disagree with makes it ok to murder them for the lunatic fringe. Two failed presidential assassinations and one successful political assassination bear that out. 
 

Evil is real. Simple as that

Almost like 10 years ago was the exact point in time Americans started trying to Make it Great Again

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1 hour ago, wild_turkey said:


I don’t have Facebook, but a quick glance at various sites this morning shows this is a common sentiment. He’s being described as a conservative Christian leader.

I’m a little dumbfounded by the Christian part. I was only vaguely aware of him when his tweets and soundbites got cross posted other places, but I never saw anything that I would consider Christian. He appeared to me as a secular far right conservative. Did his online or in person message have a heavy Christian component that I was unaware of?

Just to play devil’s advocate, I’m sure most of the things I ever saw from him were the most offensive quotes, at least to someone like me, and they were reposted because they would get a reaction from people like me. I understand that’s the unfortunate nature of the internet world. But I’m honestly curious where this Christian leader thing is coming from.

As someone who has quit going to church and is very reluctant to ever resume going to church, I think modern American Christianity has a severe problem with aligning itself with polarizing political figures (almost entirely on the right). Many members of that party say and do things that are undeniably hateful and un-Christ-like, which is ironic especially for Evangelical Christians, who claim they want to spread their faith. The worst way to evangelize is to publicly attach your Christianity to these types of people.

He isn't a real Christian. A White Christian Nationalist, yes.

59 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I think it speaks more to what Christianity has become now. 

This.

42 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


An incredibly kind person? Do incredibly kind people advocate stoning gay people to death?

Or say any of the things he has been known to say?

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I don't understand the point of people saying stuff like this.

A real Christian who actually follows the teachings of Jesus would not say this:

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Just now, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

 

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Yeah he was pretty consistent saying things like this. Even decades after affirmative action ended, despite assurances that the only reason they doubted black people's competence was because of quotas...nope. They just think black people are inferior and if they have a job the assumption is something corrupt happened. This country just can't quit the racism.

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15 minutes ago, immamac said:

Without your consent? We aren't fucking big dog, you are posting on my website, where posts are regularly moved. 

Feel free to move mine from yesterday.  TBH I thought I was posting in the CR thread.  I clicked on a reaction that took me to the thread and was too lazy to see which one it was.

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SIAP but spate

5 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Not to disrespect the deceased too much but I don't think he was attractive in that kind of way.

Spedific to the investigation; how much can the higher ups (officials) be trusted to report the facts on the perpetrator vs spin it to spiral up the divisiveness? I don't have a lot of confidence.

His wife was formerly Miss Arizona so it's not like he was an incel. I wouldn't be surprised if he had sex appeal to the maga ladies due to his terrible ideas, not his looks. 

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Just now, A-Tex Devil said:

What the DT thread obtusely and intentionally won't grok is that it's OK to believe two things can be true.  This can be a heinous act and devastating to a young family AND Charlie Kirk can be immediately remembered as fascist racist internet troll who was part of the problem with our current national discourse, particularly because he was intellectually dishonest about the role he purported to play in it.

That is too complicated for their feeble brains to understand. It is, unfortunately, beyond a lot of people.

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Posted
28 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

It’s ridiculous that my post calling out this bullshit gets moved to CR, a place that purposely I avoid.

You should PM Derka about that.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Laguna said:

 

apologies for quoting into the other board but it's more appropriate.

 

the tearing down of the wall between internet and real life is going to be the topic of a chapter on how we got here. that wall is gone, this is one of the things that Kirk was incorrect about, clearly.

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19 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Fuck the Yankees, and fuck you, you hateful piece of shit.

No matter how much you neg my baby, you still won’t be able to stop me from using all of your recommendations from the London Food & Travel thread for my trip next spring. You’ll have to deal with the fact that my wife and I are going to have a great time thanks to you. It will be her first trip to London, you’re going to make it special with your hotel and restaurant recs. Maybe I’ll DM you pictures of the fine Sunday Roast will be having.

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Just now, Macklemore said:

No matter how much you neg my baby, you still won’t be able to stop me from using all of your recommendations from the London Food & Travel thread for my trip next spring. You’ll have to deal with the fact that my wife and I are going to have a great time thanks to you. It will be her first trip to London. Maybe I’ll DM pictures of the fine Sunday Roast will be having.

Weird that you're going to be thinking about another woman during a trip to London with your wife.  Everything okay at home?

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Posted

Today in magat world they're taking the death of an guy who espoused hatred and violence, and are using it to force people to mourn his death and trying to punish them if they don't adequately comply. They're also confused about "not being sufficiently mournful" and "celebrating."

 

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30 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

My dental hygientist this morning: "Gosh, it's 9/11. How many years has it been? Such a tragedy. And, then yesterday we had another tragedy, so now we have 9/10 and 9/11." 

 

Did you bite your tongue?

 

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26 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Dumbass my post in DT was moved to CR without my consent by elfenix. I have no desire to engage with the CR.

I'm not a mod I can't move your posts. 

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Posted
17 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Just showing he wasn't some martyr for free speech. It was all a cynical game. We saw similar stuff at how the Fox News people really thought about things during that law suit with the Voting Machine company.

Gotcha, we're agreed. A lot of people seem to be saying it in a "well he was actually privately a good guy and his public persona shouldn't matter" way that makes no damned sense.

Posted
5 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

SIAP but spate

His wife was formerly Miss Arizona so it's not like he was an incel. I wouldn't be surprised if he had sex appeal to the maga ladies due to his terrible ideas, not his looks. 

I knew he was married and not an incel, and perhaps I am naive, it just seems less likely to have relationship issues be the cause of the violence. The talk in Orem was the start of the TP tour and given what we now know about the site and security, it just seems more probable to be a mentally agitated individual, either wishing to foment increasing violence or someone who took exception to his rhetoric.

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18 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

I don't know if that is the tone of DT thread. I don't recall posting "midterms secured." 

Just going by what the President and other national leaders have said. I don't put you posters in that category.

Edit: Oh you mean somebody in the DT thread thought that this assassination secured the midterms for the Republicans? Well fuck. 

Yes, someone did, and I'm certain he called his doctor 4 hours after that thought crossed his mind.

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Posted
1 hour ago, wild_turkey said:


I don’t have Facebook, but a quick glance at various sites this morning shows this is a common sentiment. He’s being described as a conservative Christian leader.

I’m a little dumbfounded by the Christian part. I was only vaguely aware of him when his tweets and soundbites got cross posted other places, but I never saw anything that I would consider Christian. He appeared to me as a secular far right conservative. Did his online or in person message have a heavy Christian component that I was unaware of?

Just to play devil’s advocate, I’m sure most of the things I ever saw from him were the most offensive quotes, at least to someone like me, and they were reposted because they would get a reaction from people like me. I understand that’s the unfortunate nature of the internet world. But I’m honestly curious where this Christian leader thing is coming from.

As someone who has quit going to church and is very reluctant to ever resume going to church, I think modern American Christianity has a severe problem with aligning itself with polarizing political figures (almost entirely on the right). Many members of that party say and do things that are undeniably hateful and un-Christ-like, which is ironic especially for Evangelical Christians, who claim they want to spread their faith. The worst way to evangelize is to publicly attach your Christianity to these types of people.

IDK man. He came across as VERY American Christian, to me.  He was a piece of shit.  American Christians are massive pieces of shit.  Birds of a feather and all that. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Macklemore said:

This shit that @Covri posted belongs in CR and not in the DT thread 

 

I don’t want to have anything to do with CR nor do I want a post that I  made in DT to show up here. 

So you need a safe space, snowflake? To avoid basic facts about your hatemonger idol?

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Posted
33 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Long term thinking and planning by someone with an axe to grind (if this is a case of that) seems to only happen in the movies.

There are unfortunately many examples of these assholes patiently planning. The fact that this person is on the loose suggests that it wasn’t some half-baked act of passion

Posted
9 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Today in magat world they're taking the death of an guy who espoused hatred and violence, and are using it to force people to mourn his death and trying to punish them if they don't adequately comply. They're also confused about "not being sufficiently mournful" and "celebrating."

 

Trump is going to give him the Presidential Medal of Freedom. 

Once Trump is gone, I am not sure we will ever be able to undo the damage.

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Posted
52 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Since it's speculation beyond what is truly news, if agents have discovered the rifle used, as well as their statement that they have 'images' of the perpetrator, then 'his' (I believe it is a male) name will likely be discovered. With cameras in public places and Ring cameras in many neighborhoods, that's just the basic of all the other tech that is not too difficult to organize. If one flies, then identity is a given. If one drives, then gas would need to be brought and not bought and so on. Regardless of background and intent, it is wholly difficult to remain truly anonymous when moving about in society in America these days. Leaving behind the weapon, fleeing on foot, eventually the pattern will emerge and identity likely revealed. Whether officials apprehend him is another story. it's likely they will, alive or not.


What if there was only like one guy who’s ever seen him and lived to tell the tail?

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Posted
55 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

But it's not.  Kirk was a disengenuous debater.  He used non-sequiturs, half-truths, outright lies and was a fearmonger.  He was not interested in honest dialogue but wanted clicks, gotcha moments and for things to go viral on the places that platformed him.  

Exactly he never debated a single human being in his entire life, debate has structure, debate has rules

CK: the sun rises in the west

Dumbass liberal on camera talking to him: no it rises in the east and sets in the west 

CK: the sun rises in the west, big grin, but I am open to debate

I mean we all know what a pure shitshow presidential "debates" are.

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37 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I am once again asking to stop referring to this as an assassination

 

WTF are you talking about?

A famous person was shot, in public, for what he believed/said.

What exactly do you think an assassination is?

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Posted
1 minute ago, B00M said:

There are unfortunately many examples of these assholes patiently planning. The fact that this person is on the loose suggests that it wasn’t some half-baked act of passion

I guess. But it just might mean law enforcement is incompetent or was caught unprepared. Going up on a roof with a gun and shooting somebody and running away doesn't take some careful plan. 

We'll see.

Posted
25 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I don't understand the point of people saying stuff like this.

I wish it would get more public traction. It’s instructive to read through the whole case against Benny Johnson and others who got “duped” into taking Russian intelligence funding. It’s really jarring to see how mercenary and fake all this is. 
 

These new-wave influencers log off and talk metrics and reach and impressions. I don’t mean to say that they don’t have genuine political leanings but what they say isn’t real to them. It’s a numbers job, they are going to do a deep dive into the data, see what hits, which segment got the most rewatches, what went viral. And then say more of that. 
 

But out there in the land of medical bills and failed marriages and dingy strip malls and hunts for college scholarships and layoffs, people fire up their reels and X and to them it’s real. It creates monsters and I wish more of them realized they were watching people doing kayfabe. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

WTF are you talking about?

A famous person was shot, in public, for what he believed/said.

What exactly do you think an assassination is?

Well we don't know why he was shot, but I think even if it turned out he was killed for something else entirely I still think the term "assassination" fits. Semantic discussions are kind of absurd though. 

Posted
1 hour ago, wild_turkey said:


I don’t have Facebook, but a quick glance at various sites this morning shows this is a common sentiment. He’s being described as a conservative Christian leader.

I’m a little dumbfounded by the Christian part. I was only vaguely aware of him when his tweets and soundbites got cross posted other places, but I never saw anything that I would consider Christian. He appeared to me as a secular far right conservative. Did his online or in person message have a heavy Christian component that I was unaware of?

Just to play devil’s advocate, I’m sure most of the things I ever saw from him were the most offensive quotes, at least to someone like me, and they were reposted because they would get a reaction from people like me. I understand that’s the unfortunate nature of the internet world. But I’m honestly curious where this Christian leader thing is coming from.

As someone who has quit going to church and is very reluctant to ever resume going to church, I think modern American Christianity has a severe problem with aligning itself with polarizing political figures (almost entirely on the right). Many members of that party say and do things that are undeniably hateful and un-Christ-like, which is ironic especially for Evangelical Christians, who claim they want to spread their faith. The worst way to evangelize is to publicly attach your Christianity to these types of people.

He said "Jesus" a lot.



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