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1 hour ago, troph said:

This war is terrible for Ukraine but good for the world.  I hope this is the end of Russia as a conventional super power (nukes unfortunately notwithstanding).

I agree. Chernobyl led to the dissolution of the Soviet Union, this will start something in Russia that can't be stopped.

The moble crematoriums didn't get within a zip code of the casualties. Ukraine asking the Red Cross to help deliver the fatalities back to Russia cannot be hidden from the Russian people. Titantic shift on the horizon. 

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1 minute ago, FartingMonk said:

This dude who so full of shit.  We spent 4 trillion dollars in 10 years in Afghanistan and that was including trying to rebuild.  20 billion dollars is fucking stupid.  He is basically pulling shit out of his ass.  

I’m definitely here to learn but I’m solidly in the camp this is waaaaay different than past Russian conflicts, way different so much so there is no comparison. 

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1 minute ago, crash_davis said:

so 10 days. Can Ukraine hold out for 10 days...

 

thats why I said another week or so upthread.   this is going to come down to supply lines. not necessarily to win but to blunt the wave.

I'm sure Putin wanted his "100 hour war" to show Russian might.  He just forgot about the initial 2 months of bombardment(which he likely predicted he couldn't do).

He'll probably end up having to do it backwards, which will be awful.  I'm hopeful we have actually seen 20 to 30% of their conventional capabilities but I fear not.

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29 minutes ago, troph said:

Mentioned above I think they have $600bln that’s nothing. If my numbers are wrong there is still math here. They are cut the fuck off if Germany says no more. They might. $20bln a day was the number for war costs. 
 

we should stop looking at the front lines and look at the costs and logistics - russia doesn’t have it. There are reports they are out of cruise missiles - and months from a resupply IF they get raw materials they don’t have. 
 

I think this is where the war is won. 

Correct, and Russia has just depleted their ability to defend themselves as well. Russia's national security is tenuous at best

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I remember reading a paper about a group of paleontologist who discovered a 100,000 year old skeleton of an old woman. They were able to determine from her jaw that she hadn't been able to masticate for some significant period in her life.

But for humans, there was fossil evidence of prehistoric man helping the injured to live past their injury. 

(Early Surly Man) “OK…yeah….she’s old, but with no teeth, Elk Woman gives the best hummers in the tribe. Guys, let’s all remember to spit some chewed food in the pot when we visit her!”
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2 minutes ago, troph said:

I’m definitely here to learn but I’m solidly in the camp this is waaaaay different than past Russian conflicts, way different so much so there is no comparison. 

This is different than anything anyone has seen.  We keep forgetting that Ukraine has a standing army of 200,000 people.  This isn't a ragtag group of people who were issued arms.  The question was how trained and how willing those guys were to fight.  We all under estimated the capability of the Ukranian soldier.  We also over estimated the prowess of the Russian soldier.  US Intel doesn't hurt either.  When you know their play call in real time it makes the fight a whole lot easier.  

It also shows the world how devastating lethal and dummy proof our technology is. Most of the weapons systems we have developed is very intuitive.  Point and shoot.  It is no different than sitting in your living room couch and pointing to your remote at the TV.  Except those things for warfare tell you.  Aim for target.  Target locked. Shoot your weapon.  I had mentioned way back before the shooting started.  The Javelin is about to make a name for itself and damn has that motherficker shown up.

 

 

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internationally we're seeing a major rally in support of ukraine.

ukraine's defenses and civilians seem to be very engaged and motivated, contrary to russian support and engagement.

unconfirmed reports are showing fairly significant losses for russia in the first 3 days.

clearly the international community is outraged and that's completely justifiable obviously but - are russian losses overreported? 

this also seems to be just "warming up" as the vast majority of russian troops have yet to cross into ukraine.

i'm curious of putin's internal reaction, thus far. 

all of the support for ukraine has to be crushing and it seems there are clear miscalculations.

i don't think he can accept anything less than an overwhelming "success" here, in his maniacal vision.

i hope the huge show of support, fairly impressive resistance (so far), and reports of russian weakness don't encourage him to escalate further.

but, i think they will.

i'm very concerned the initial reports and international reaction with his fragile ego are counterintuitive and will ultimately be more destructive than if this had gone according to plan.

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1 minute ago, FartingMonk said:

This is different than anything anyone has seen.  We keep forgetting that Ukraine has a standing army of 200,000 people.  This isn't a ragtag group of people who were issued arms.  The question was how trained and how willing those guys were to fight.  We all under estimated the capability of the Ukranian soldier.  We also over estimated the prowess of the Russian soldier.  US Intel doesn't hurt either.  When you know their play call in real time it makes the fight a whole lot easier.  

It also shows the world how devastating lethal and dummy proof our technology is. Most of the weapons systems we have developed is very intuitive.  Point and shoot.  It is no different than sitting in your living room couch and pointing to your remote at the TV.  Except those things for warfare tell you.  Aim for target.  Target locked. Shoot your weapon.  I had mentioned way back before the shooting started.  The Javelin is about to make a name for itself and damn has that motherficker shown up.

 

 

Thank you. This is such a great post. I know I’m the new one here and posting what I think but I really do appreciate you engaging with me.

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37 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Fuck. Just had a really hard conversation with the boy. Mom had to lay down the law, and forbid him from going to the Poland Ukraine border.

I followed with a text telling him I understand what he wants to do, but he needs to stay safe. His reply:

“I’m not playing solider, it’s not right to sit on my ass and live a fun cushy care free life in Berlin when there are people just like me a couple hundred miles away who need something to eat or a place to stay. I understand the worry but there are also moms in Ukraine who want their kids out of harms way. I won’t go near the border, but I’ve sent in an application to the Polish government. I added special instructions not to be near the border, but there are potatoes to be peeled, sacks to be unloaded from trucks, tents to be pitched and shit to be done in other places. If I need to go to Warsaw and plunge toilets in a refugee center, I will.”

I don’t know how to feel about this.


Oh boy. He’s got a good heart.  

I grew up in and have known a lot of military. I know about it from enlisted to officer to special forces to navy seal and know all about the shit candidly from people first hand. Ideals change pretty quickly when you get your first kill. I’ve heard a thousand stories. One of my friends first kill was in Afghanistan was a 12 y/o boy that would hang out and play with their unit. Another was a special forces sniper who had to take out a 16 y/o pregnant girl in pieces so as not to set off the bomb strapped to her. They didn’t hesitate, that was what they had to do- but they had to because they were fighting for their country rather than personal ideals. 

Ideals are romantic, they are wrapped up in how things “should” be. Lord Byron was a romantic too and he died for a noble cause, but it wasn’t his own. Once you get a little older you realize there is no “should” only an infinite spectrum of “perspectives”.

I mean this with all respect for you kid and truly am not condescending or patronizing, but I would beg him to consider that we as people need to go to war when we have to, not when we feel like it.

Good luck, he’ll be in our prayers regardless of what he chooses to do. 

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2 minutes ago, troph said:

Thank you. This is such a great post. I know I’m the new one here and posting what I think but I really do appreciate you engaging with me.

Ha.  I don't claim or pretend that I'm an expert at war or foreign policy and most of my posts are pretty much pulled out of my ass so thanks for listening.  Everything I post is as I see it from my eyes.  Some most are blatantly wrong so I would take all of it with a heavy dose of salt

 

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52 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Fuck. Just had a really hard conversation with the boy. Mom had to lay down the law, and forbid him from going to the Poland Ukraine border.

I followed with a text telling him I understand what he wants to do, but he needs to stay safe. His reply:

“I’m not playing solider, it’s not right to sit on my ass and live a fun cushy care free life in Berlin when there are people just like me a couple hundred miles away who need something to eat or a place to stay. I understand the worry but there are also moms in Ukraine who want their kids out of harms way. I won’t go near the border, but I’ve sent in an application to the Polish government. I added special instructions not to be near the border, but there are potatoes to be peeled, sacks to be unloaded from trucks, tents to be pitched and shit to be done in other places. If I need to go to Warsaw and plunge toilets in a refugee center, I will.”

I don’t know how to feel about this.

It sounds like you both have raised a great man. 

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5 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

Trying not to post war porn but this is incredible.  Tv is so obsolete with this use of Twitter and other media.

Don't speak a word but pretty sure I picked up "fuck those Russian cunt shit fuckers"  at the start. That's what I'm going with,  anyway. 

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5 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Marco is doing a great job as mouthpiece for our intelligence services.  I wonder if him being the guy also has some reasoning based on things here at home, though.  There’s a significant portion of the country that would immediately discount anything coming from within this administration.  That would be true if the other guy had won in 2020, too.

Rubio seems to be a messenger reasonably palatable to all of us here in the US.

Dude. I'm no big fan of Rubio and initially I thought what the fuck is this clown fart doing but man his shit is fucking solid.  He is basically just doing a whole lot hey guys the Russians are about to FAFO.  I love it.  I think you are right though.  They don't want to use the POTUS Twitter because it really wouldn't be believable that hes awake at 3 in the morning and then also people would say quit being on Twitter.  Rubio being on the Intel committee.makes him the perfect mouth piece

 

 

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what I dont understand is why the fuck Russia is letting CNN sit on the Russian border, at Belgorod showing tank after tank after tank drive into Russia. 

its not propaganda, the CNN guys have mentioned that the tanks have no place to turn around and keep driving by them.... so why let that miltary info go out live?

 

I am so fucking confused by the total lack of operational security by russia in all this.   Its good for Ukraine, but it makes no fucking sense when fighting a war

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21 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

This is different than anything anyone has seen.  We keep forgetting that Ukraine has a standing army of 200,000 people.  This isn't a ragtag group of people who were issued arms.  The question was how trained and how willing those guys were to fight.  We all under estimated the capability of the Ukranian soldier.  We also over estimated the prowess of the Russian soldier.  US Intel doesn't hurt either.  When you know their play call in real time it makes the fight a whole lot easier.  

It also shows the world how devastating lethal and dummy proof our technology is. Most of the weapons systems we have developed is very intuitive.  Point and shoot.  It is no different than sitting in your living room couch and pointing to your remote at the TV.  Except those things for warfare tell you.  Aim for target.  Target locked. Shoot your weapon.  I had mentioned way back before the shooting started.  The Javelin is about to make a name for itself and damn has that motherficker shown up.

 

 

Something I’ve wondered is…where is the slat armor for the Russian tanks and BMPs?  I thought that was reasonably common way to attempt to breakup the warhead itself  or scatter the liquid jet before it could fully impact the armor?  Seems we used them a lot later in the WOT to protect crucial parts of our heavy equipment.  

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