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maybe this Hunter bs isn't the October surprise...maybe NYPost is just gonna keep throwing shit at the wall to see if something sticks...

they also have a story that the former WH physician (seems like i recall some ridiculous reports from Trump's physicals from this guy?), who is currently running for congress as a Republican, shocker... he says he's convinced Biden doesn't have the 'mental capacity' for the job. and he should know. 

yeah, okay, sure 🙄

 

(no i'm not linking it, fuck NYPost)

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2 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

Well I guess they are just persecuting y’all. Besides the point but It’s almost like they are a private company that can do as they please. I thought you guys were all for that.

203 reform needs to happen. Either you're a platform, or you're a news paper. You can't play both.

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Hugo Stiglitz

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6 hours ago, GRHorn said:

The more interesting part to me is the censoring of the story. 

Why was this story the one to spark such a brazen move?

Because it’s part of a Russian foreign influence operation and we’re not doing Wikileaks 2.0 where this shit sucks up oxygen in the information space. That’s the goal here, to flood the zone with irrelevant stolen emails off a laptop.  The part of Wikileaks is now being played by Rudy Giuliani.  
 

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Bateshorn

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NY Post is also playing the role of Breitbart here: something that looks like real news that can be passed around Facebook and the internet to scare the olds.  The story is unverified, so social media platforms are squashing it until somebody backs it up.  Foxnews is trying to shame the NYT into doing it, but they won’t bite.
 

I have a story: Putin literally went in dry on Trump at their 1 on 1 meeting in July 2017, Trump LOVED it, then Trump gave him the nuclear codes and the location of all our Russian spies while they cuddled. Proof was on a flash drive I had in a secure location, but the Feds seized it. 

 

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This thread is where Parkinson’s Law of Triviality gives way to rank stupidity.  You turd’s have gone from spending a ridiculous amount of time considering the color of the bike shed during construction of a nuclear power plant to focusing on how to save the bike shed while the nuclear power plant is melting down and spewing deadly radiation into the atmosphere.

To turn James Carville’s famous phrase from the 1992 election:  It’s the pandemic, stupid.

But by all means, keep jerking each other off over Hunter Biden and the disparity between how social media platforms impose their terms of service.  The rest of America is too busy voting Trump out of office to give a shit.  You remember him, right?  The sociopath who would be king that has directed the horrific pandemic response that has needlessly resulted in the death of 200,000+ Americans?

 

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1 hour ago, troph said:

Is there any article out there yet that puts all the evidence of how fake the news is on Biden ... I really need a lazy link to share with someone.

 

Bonus points if anyone has seen a comprehensive list of Trumps corruption.

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-so-far-atrocities-1-923

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I actually found a better WaPo explainer:

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The New York Post on Wednesday published an article based on emails purportedly obtained from a laptop that Hunter Biden, the son of former vice president Joe Biden, had supposedly left behind for repair in a Delaware shop in April 2019. Here’s a brief explainer to help readers evaluate its significance. We will continue to update this article as more information becomes available.

 

What’s new?

The key thrust of the article is that an April 17, 2015, email suggests Hunter Biden arranged for a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm to meet with the then-vice president when he was in charge of U.S. policy toward Ukraine. “Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It’s realty [sic] an honor and pleasure,” reads the email, supposedly written by Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma.

Why would that be important?

Hunter Biden in 2014 became a board member of Burisma, which news reports at the time suggested was a conflict of interest, given his father’s position. The former vice president has said he did not discuss Burisma with his son. The email is not specific about the nature of the meeting and is written in a way that it could be talking about a possible future meeting. Nevertheless, Republicans have long sought to tie Joe Biden to his son’s business interests, even launching a Senate investigation, so any indication that the vice president helped his son could be politically damaging. The New York Post claimed it was a “smoking-gun email.”

How do we know the email is authentic?

We do not. The New York Post published PDF printouts of several emails allegedly taken from the laptop, but for the “smoking-gun” email, it shows only a photo made the day before the story was posted, according to Thomas Rid, the author of “Active Measures,” a book on disinformation. “There is no header information, no metadata.” The Washington Post has not been able to independently verify or authenticate these emails, as requests to make the laptop hard drive available for inspection have not been granted. The New York Post said it obtained the material from former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, a personal lawyer to President Trump.

 
 

There also is no indication that Hunter Biden replied to the email.

Moreover, another alleged email published by the New York Post contradicts the notion that Hunter Biden could influence his father. “What he will do and say is out of our hands,” Hunter Biden wrote in an email that the New York Post said was sent April 13, 2014.

What does the Biden campaign say?

Andrew Bates, a campaign spokesman for Joe Biden, said a review of Biden’s schedules from 2015 finds no record of any such meeting. Officials who worked for Biden at the time told The Fact Checker that no such meeting took place.

“I was with the vice president in all of his meetings on Ukraine,” said Michael Carpenter, Biden’s foreign policy adviser in 2015. “He never met with this guy. In fact, I had never heard of this guy until the New York Post story broke.”

 
 

The New York Post article also cites an email from Pozharskyi to Hunter Biden saying he was “going to share this information with the US embassy here in Kyiv, as well as the office of Mr Amos Hochstein in the States.”

“I know for a fact he never contacted me or my office,” said Hochstein, who at the time worked closely with Biden as special envoy and coordinator for international energy affairs. “I provided every record to the Senate investigation, and no mention of this guy was ever made, no emails, no correspondence. I know almost every player in the energy sector in Ukraine. I never met this guy.”

Carpenter said that the vice president wouldn’t have had a meeting with a company executive. “He was the vice president of the United States,” he said. “He met with prime ministers.”

 

This does not exclude the possibility that Biden briefly shook hands and chatted with Pozharskyi during a public event. Hunter Biden, for instance, helped arrange for a potential business partner, Jonathan Li, to shake hands with his father in the lobby of a Beijing hotel when the vice president made an official trip to China.

 

Pozharskyi, in the April 17 email, mentions that he spoke to Hunter “yesterday evening.” At the request of The Fact Checker, a Biden aide reviewed Biden’s schedule for April 16, 2015. The vice president gave remarks at the White House Greek Independence Day Reception, between 5 and 6 p.m., and then spoke to the Congressional Fire Services Institute Gala, from 6:30 p.m. to 8 p.m., the aide said.

What does Hunter Biden say?

Asked to verify whether the email is genuine, Hunter Biden’s attorney George Mesires told The Fact Checker: “We have no idea where this came from, and certainly cannot credit anything that Rudy Giuliani provided to the NY Post, but what I do know for certain is that this purported meeting never happened.”

Are there errors in the New York Post report?

A separate article, about another email, claims that a public relations company that worked for Burisma was allowed to take part in a conference call about an upcoming visit by Joe Biden to Ukraine. But there was nothing secret about this call, and the transcript was released publicly and posted on the White House website.

 
 

More broadly, the New York Post repeats the falsehood, advanced by Trump, that the “elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company.”

We have fact-checked this repeatedly. During President Barack Obama’s second term, Biden was in charge of the Ukraine portfolio, keeping in close touch with the country’s president, Petro Poroshenko. Biden’s brief was to sweet-talk and jawbone Poroshenko into making reforms that Ukraine’s Western benefactors wanted to see as part of Ukraine’s escape from Russia’s orbit. But the Americans saw an obstacle to reform in Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, whom the United States viewed as ineffective and beholden to Poroshenko and Ukraine’s corrupt oligarchs. In particular, Shokin had failed to pursue an investigation of the founder of Burisma, Mykola Zlochevsky.

The U.S. Embassy in Kyiv proposed that Biden, during his 2015 visit there, use a pending delivery of $1 billion of loan guarantees as leverage to force reform. Biden addressed the Ukrainian parliament, decrying the “cancer of corruption” in the country and criticizing the prosecutor’s office. During that visit, Biden privately told Poroshenko the loan guarantees would be withheld unless Shokin was replaced. After repeated calls and meetings between the two men over several months, Shokin was removed and the loan guarantees were provided.

 
 

Pavlo Klimkin, Ukrainian foreign minister from 2014 until Aug. 29, 2019, said that the firing of Shokin was universally urged by Ukraine’s benefactors. “The demand came not just from the U.S., and not just from Biden,” he said. “I heard it in every meeting with the international financial institutions, especially the IMF and World Bank. It was not just Biden. Clearly.”

Colin H. Kahl, Biden’s national security adviser at the time, told The Fact Checker that “our policy on corruption and Shokin in Ukraine kept getting tougher across 2015, so the whole theory of the case [in the New York Post] makes no sense.”

Why is this coming out now?

Good question. The FBI supposedly obtained the hard drive earlier this year from John MacIsaac, who said he owns the Wilmington Mac Shop.

 

MacIsaac told reporters on Wednesday that a MacBook laptop was dropped off at his shop in Wilmington, Del., in April 2019. MacIsaac, who said he was legally blind, said that he was almost certain that it was Hunter Biden who dropped off the computer. He said that he made several attempts to get in touch with Hunter Biden but the equipment was still in his hands 90 days after it had been left there, and he said that he became curious about what he’d seen.

 

He made a copy of the hard drive and gave it to Giuliani. This past weekend, Giuliani passed a copy to the New York Post. But presumably the laptop would have been of use to the year-long Senate investigation, which found no wrongdoing by Biden.

As Giuliani has sought to locate information about Hunter Biden and Ukraine, he has regularly interacted with a Ukrainian lawmaker who was recently sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department as being an “active Russian agent for over a decade” and was engaged in an influence operation to affect the 2020 election. Those interactions have given rise to fears that the emails could be part of a broader disinformation campaign.

 

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1 minute ago, Hefeweizen said:

This whole thing feels so laughably thin that there has to be a better October surprise.  Right?  No way this is what they are going with, unless they really suck that badly.

I doubt they have anything lined up.  >10% of the votes are already in.  The time to release Biden dirt was probably 2-3 weeks ago.  Trump’s only hopes now are hoping Biden gets sick and/or disputing the election results.

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This whole thing feels so laughably thin that there has to be a better October surprise.  Right?  No way this is what they are going with, unless they really suck that badly.
Narrator: "They suck that badly. Rudy Giuliani would eventually butt dial a CNN news host on accident and be overhead confessing to the made up scheme"
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1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

You have no idea what you're talking about, per usual. What, exactly, do you think "section 203" does?

Legal protection of platforms over what people post that is defamatory, if the service doesn't moderate as in the CompuServe v Cubby case. Stratton v Prodigy says if you do moderate you are seen as a publisher. That's why this is a big deal.

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2 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Legal protection of platforms over what people post that is defamatory, if the service doesn't moderate as in the CompuServe v Cubby case. Stratton v Prodigy says if you do moderate you are seen as a publisher. That's why this is a big deal.

Yeah, this is wrong. Section 230 was enacted to provide liability protection (not just for defamation) even for ISPs and "interactive computer services" that moderate content. Hell, one of the primary goals of the Communications Decency Act was to encourage content moderation. There's no neutrality requirement and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to you.

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28 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

This whole thing feels so laughably thin that there has to be a better October surprise.  Right?  No way this is what they are going with, unless they really suck that badly.

You have to understand this gambit was set in motion over a year ago and has been a non-stop house of cards falling apart.  Trump got impeached over this by directly trying to coerce a foreign leader to make this play more effective in the election.  He publicly asked China to investigate the Bidens too.  

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19 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Legal protection of platforms over what people post that is defamatory, if the service doesn't moderate as in the CompuServe v Cubby case. Stratton v Prodigy says if you do moderate you are seen as a publisher. That's why this is a big deal.

Partly correct, partly wrong. The problem, dear reader, is that the government wanted publishers to moderate, specifically, to moderate out illegal content (e.g., child porn). However, under First Amendment jurisprudence, any moderation, even of illegal content, would result in potential liability for the content that was posted. And platforms wanted to moderate too because allowing anything and everything was bad for business. Take the old site as an example. There is apparently not a very large market for a Longhorn sport's forum that is filled with scat porn. In order to actually have a platform of any business value, moderation is required. Section 230 allows that moderation to take place without thrusting civil liability upon the platform. 

So, the law, as it current exists, allows platforms to host pretty much any content without fear of civil liability. And, it allows them to moderate that content so as to allow business to flourish.

So, here is the puzzle for you: if you take away the protections from liability, is a platform going to be more or less likely to host questionable content?

The answer: given that the platforms must do moderation for business reasons, what will happen is that platforms will actually moderate even more so as to avoid hosting potentially libelous content. That means that all the right wing bullshit that you want them host will go away completely, precisely because it is bullshit and would subject the platforms to potential liability.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.  

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2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

You have to understand this gambit was set in motion over a year ago and has been a non-stop house of cards falling apart.  Trump got impeached over this by directly trying to coerce a foreign leader to make this play more effective in the election.  He publicly asked China to investigate the Bidens too.  

Seems like the house of cards fell apart and they are just picking up one of the cards and flinging it in hopes it somehow sticks in some last ditch effort.  They are flailing.

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I think most people realize the story is horseshit. The gambit, it seems to me, was if the social media platforms would start banning and restricting the article where repubs could moan about repression/censorship/outright banning and double standards. That is working

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1 minute ago, babysdaddy said:

I think most people realize the story is horseshit. The gambit, it seems to me, was if the social media platforms would start banning and restricting the article where repubs could moan about repression/censorship/outright banning and double standards. That is working

Seems like that argument falls a bit flat when the president is still allowed to spread lies and disinformation dozens of times a day via Twitter with no repercussions.

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48 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

wait wait wait wait

The repair shop owner is legally blind??  hahahahahahahahahaha

 

5 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

It's about the double standard being applied here, you simps. Now explain what you think double standard means as it applies to social media moderation of disinformation. 

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23 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

I think most people realize the story is horseshit. The gambit, it seems to me, was if the social media platforms would start banning and restricting the article where repubs could moan about repression/censorship/outright banning and double standards. That is working

Hahaha you actually believe this

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30 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

The gambit, it seems to me, was if the social media platforms would start banning and restricting the article where repubs could moan about repression/censorship/outright banning and double standards. That is working

That appears to be the contingency plan, which is always the play when someone publicly calls Republicans on their shit.  “What are you doing?!? You’re infringing on my rights to be a complete piece of shit. This is tyranny!”  

The original plan, I would argue, was to harness the well built architecture of the social media platforms in conjunction with message boards/blogs, to make the narrative stick well enough to get picked up by the MSM as a counter-narrative.   

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1 hour ago, yoladu said:

maybe because it is a brazen fabrication? I dunno.

Maybe it’s not. 
 

looks like they’re doing a slow rollout of the laptop stuff. I’m guessing Biden and DNC know there’s some more incriminating things to come and want to attempt to discredit them preemptively.  More censoring of this stuff today. 
 

 

1 hour ago, Bateshorn said:

I actually found a better WaPo explainer:

 

So they checked with some people referenced in the main email about the Ukrainian dude getting to meet Biden. They all said they never heard of him. He wasn’t on the meeting schedule. Then Biden campaign says he may have met him in an informal setting. Got it. 

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39 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

It's funny to see the "FAKE NEWS!!!!" crowd get upset when Twitter and FB actually clamp down on something obviously fake.  It's like they want fake news as long as it fits their narrative.  Hmmm......

FWIW this is the official twitter reasoning. 

It just became enforceable yesterday though. Not applicable to Trump Tax story obvi. 

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Trump pretending to care about adult children of politicians peddling influence for money is... something. 
 

And apparently very few people care that the release of this “information” came through foreign interference actively cultivated by the Trump campaign and Trump himself. It’s just all so fucking dumb

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12 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

That appears to be the contingency plan, which is always the play when someone publicly calls Republicans on their shit.  “What are you doing?!? You’re infringing on my rights to be a complete piece of shit. This is tyranny!”  

The original plan, I would argue, was to harness the well built architecture of the social media platforms in conjunction with message boards/blogs, to make the narrative stick well enough to get picked up by the MSM as a counter-narrative.   

It's the social media version of seeding "news" stories on Fox News by having Tucker or Hannity discuss the latest insane conspiracy shit on their programs first, or of getting the NY Times to publish a bunch of bullshit by bunding all the bullshit into a book and then giving the Times exclusive rights to pre-publish parts of it. The whole gambit is to launder the disinformation into sources that people consider to be legitimate.

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Just now, Pig Bellmont said:

Trump pretending to care about adult children of politicians peddling influence for money is... something. 
 

And apparently very few people care that the release of this “information” came through foreign interference actively cultivated by the Trump campaign and Trump himself. It’s just all so fucking dumb

But,.......….........................................................................(are you ready for it).......................................................................................................

 

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46 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

You have to understand this gambit was set in motion over a year ago and has been a non-stop house of cards falling apart.  Trump got impeached over this by directly trying to coerce a foreign leader to make this play more effective in the election.  He publicly asked China to investigate the Bidens too.  

BUT JUST WAIT UNTIL THEY ANNOUNCE THE INVESTIGATION!1!!  

It's fucking amazing to me that they've been working for YEARS to strong-arm someone, ANYONE with an ounce of independence / credibility to announce an investigation into Hunter & Burisma, and all we get is Rudy / the NY Post / GOP congressional lackeys.  SAD!!!

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