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23 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Friend’s son knocked his gf up. They had to take them to fucking Kansas to get the abortion pill. Staunch Republicans now straight ticket Dem voters come October 

Leopards eating faces?  Or normal humans?

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10 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

“Leaving statutory rape legal?!”

Essentially.  I'm from Missouri (literally), so take that as an example:  a 16-YO can legally get married with parental consent, but the age of consent for sex is 17.

The only way around it would be if the statuatory rape law carved out an exception for someone who is married (which it may do).

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The AAMC analysis found that the number of applicants to OB-GYN residency programs in abortion-ban states dropped by 6.7%, compared with a 0.4% increase in states where abortion remains legal. For internal medicine, the drop observed in abortion-ban states was over five times as much as in states where abortion is legal.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/05/09/1250057657/medical-residents-starting-avoid-states-abortion-bans

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13 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

What does it take to get a constitutional amendment on the ballot in Texas?

2/3 vote in the Texas House and Senate are  required to send an amendment to Texas voters.

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12 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


Feature, not a bug.
Doctors and medical treatment of citizens is woke liberal bullshit.

We are going to kill ourselves and it will be exactly what we deserve.

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1 hour ago, hornmpa96 said:

2/3 vote in the Texas House and Senate are  required to send an amendment to Texas voters.

We don't have a popular initiative, referendum, or recall in Texas because it's just anarchy if the citizens get to decide issues

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28 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

So what kind of symbol are the Republicans proposing that pregnant women be forced to pin to their clothes before they are sent off to the birthing camps

You know, years ago when we had our second miscarriage in the second trimester and the ensuing D&C which would now be prohibited by Texas low.....I would have thought your post to be insane.  You and I are sarcastic, albeit somewhat intelligent, assholes.  But levity aside, there isn't much left on this timeline but for expectant mothers to undergo what you just remarked off-hand, precisely.  

I posted a few years ago that my wife's OBGYN made a discrete remark to us since he performed two D&C's after miscarriages that in the patient notes I insisted they were written up as medically necessary as we were older and every setback was another 6-12 months we could not afford biologically.  And he remarked at a routine post-delivery exam that he was preparing his team to update all the patient records to reflect the medical necessity of any D&C procedures.  And he's a very level-headed guy, never seen him up or down for even a minute...a true pro.  And my wife thought, on the way home, he was being mellow-dramatic.  That all the women's charts "speak for themselves as warranted, medically."  He saw this coming even before I did and I predict worst outcomes for a living.  Once again, our prize lack of imagination.  

3 years ago?  No abortions for rape & incest victims?  INSANE LOBO, NO WAY!

2 years ago?  No abortions for risk to the mother's ability to have a viable pregnancy later in life?  INSANE LOBO, NO WAY! 

1 year ago?  Interstate travel bans on females seeking medical care over borders being criminalized?  INSANE LOBO, NO WAY!

Now?  What will likely come to fruition in some form or fashion in some states, a registry of pregnant women to track their status, and not from a medical perspective.  INSANE LOBO, NO WAY.  

This has all happened, in real life.  In this country.  On our watch.  And if you think is crazy, see what happens next.  When these "Moms for Abbott" and "Momma MAGAs" hold their daughters' hands as they bleed out from complications, they will only have themselves to blame.  And if they're any kind of decent mother themselves, they'll quietly walk out to the ER parking lot and swallow a round.  This whole thing is gonna get a fuck-ton more cruel before it gets better.  And our girls will be paying the price for our apathy.  

 

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The thing is if you’ve had any experience with the church you know, they won’t let their daughters bleed out to support the law. publicly they say one thing privately they will do another. There are going to be plenty of impromptu mountain or pacific vacations among the churched (let’s be real that’s who is behind these insane positions) in the coming years. The only people who will be forced to suffer are the poor, the rest will do what they need to do and some will do it with the utmost and impressive levels of hypocrisy. 

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1 minute ago, troph said:

The thing is if you’ve had any experience with the church you know, they won’t let their daughters bleed out to support the law. publicly they say one thing privately they will do another. There are going to be plenty of impromptu mountain or pacific vacations among the churched (let’s be real that’s who is behind these insane positions) in the coming years. The only people who will be forced to suffer are the poor, the rest will do what they need to do and some will do it with the utmost and impressive levels of hypocrisy. 

“We can’t ruin three lives.”

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19 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

“We can’t ruin three lives.”

Why ruin three when you can ruin 3 million?  -Somebody in history, probably.  

Again, it mostly men's fault.  But the women voters empowering this kinda shit while they leave every one of their sisters need to be held to account.  And in some ways, are far more cruel than the males who carry out these las because they've been in rough spots before and are now taking it out on the opposite group they should be taking it out on.  

There is zealot-fueled single-issue voting and then there is this, tactical and measured cruelty.  All of us, as parents of girls, are to blame...but I believe there is a deserved special rung in hell for women doing this to one another considering...

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13 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

We are going to kill ourselves and it will be exactly what we deserve.

I hope not, but I am hopeful that by the time any of this happens that I will have long since left the US. Crazy people are everywhere, but man ours really go over the top with it to hurt others.

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24 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

I hope not, but I am hopeful that by the time any of this happens that I will have long since left the US. Crazy people are everywhere, but man ours really go over the top with it to hurt others.

It’s weird how so many people in this country want to see their fellow Americans suffer,  I wonder if there’s something in the genes of those whose ancestors came out of Europe.  Obviously many of our ancestors bailed on Europe for reasons other than finding their fortunes, like maybe they weren’t getting along with the people around them.

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6 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

It’s weird how so many people in this country want to see their fellow Americans suffer,  I wonder if there’s something in the genes of those whose ancestors came out of Europe.  Obviously many of our ancestors bailed on Europe for reasons other than finding their fortunes, like maybe they weren’t getting along with the people around them.

Well, the French and English have had like 15 wars. 

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9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

It’s weird how so many people in this country want to see their fellow Americans suffer,  I wonder if there’s something in the genes of those whose ancestors came out of Europe.  Obviously many of our ancestors bailed on Europe for reasons other than finding their fortunes, like maybe they weren’t getting along with the people around them.

Sometimes you gotta wonder just how much of what the Pilgrims said about coming here for religious freedom was really just that no one liked them because they were just not good people.

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Sometimes you gotta wonder just how much of what the Pilgrims said about coming here for religious freedom was really just that no one liked them because they were just not good people.

This. It’s a big turning point in your read of American history when you realize the pilgrims weren’t persecuted because of their religion, they were loathed because they were total dicks.
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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


This. It’s a big turning point in your read of American history when you realize the pilgrims weren’t persecuted because of their religion, they were loathed because they were total dicks.

But they did give us Thanksgiving. Without Thanksgiving, there would be no Plains, Trains, and Automobiles. So there’s that.

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On a more serious note (yes pilgrims were dicks), the earliest immigrants to the US did tend to be hostile to one another:  English, French, Dutch/German, Scots, Irish.  They were not Ferris Bueller, at all.  Hell, western settlement was pretty much all about Scots, Irish and French getting the fuck away from all the Brits on the east coast.

We've hated each other from jump street, before the browns and squinty-eyed people even started to come.

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27 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/13/politics/louisiana-bill-abortion-drugs-highly-regulated-medications/index.html

A Louisiana bill would classify the abortion-inducing drugs misoprostol and mifeprostone as Schedule IV controlled dangerous substances in the state, placing them in the same category as highly regulated drugs such as narcotics and depressants.

The amendment that would classify the drugs as Schedule IV substances was added to a Senate bill that would make it a crime to give abortion medication to a person without their consent.

The bill’s sponsor, Republican state Sen. Thomas Pressly, said he proposed the legislation after his sister was given misoprostol against her will.

Abortion is already banned in Louisiana with no exceptions for rape or incest.

The bill sparked outcry from a group of nearly 270 Louisiana physicians, health care providers and medical students, who signed a letter to Pressly expressing concerns over the reclassification.

The letter, obtained by CNN, says in part, “neither mifepristone nor misoprostol have been shown to have any potential for abuse, dependence, public health risk, nor high rates of adverse side effects.”

The letter continues that placing the drugs under Schedule IV would create “the false perception that these are dangerous drugs that require additional regulation” and that they are “widely prescribed and taken safely.”

Pressly rebutted the letter’s claims in a response he shared with CNN: “If enacted, this legislation would not prohibit misoprostol or even mifepristone from being prescribed or dispensed for legitimate reasons.”

“The doctors I have consulted with feel this provision will not harm healthcare for women,” he continued.

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So some politician's sister was given an abortion pill against her will, which is already against the law, so a member of the party of small government wants to make it difficult for anybody to legally access abortion pills and throw them in jail for up to 5 years if they don't have a prescription.

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Can anyone imagine what it would be like for wives or daughters to have a crisis pregnancy, and to know that a) the medical community is constrained by a code of silence in terms of medical advice, and b) at BEST, difficult decisions might require an emotionally devastated wife or daughter to have to travel hundreds or thousand of miles to get healthcare.

I don't think men can fathom this kind of situation.

What kind of man would allow that shit to possibly affect their loved ones?  Let alone fellow citizens who may not have the economic ability to get beyond the emotional devastation?

I'm not a one issue voter but I certainly have a minimum requirement.

 

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It's all men's fault.  I get it.  But at this point.  There are stupid women voting for cruel legislators to enact cruel laws to punish other women.  If they want to keep voting like this and have their daughters suffer the impact in the name of Jesus or Family Values, sorry ladies...this is what you get for being raised by idiots.  Tough shit.  I can take my daughters anywhere, anytime for any kind of medical care at any price.  Your mom is a cunt and does what she thinks your dad and pastor will think is best and either get out from under their thumb now while you can, or suffer the consequences.  You came into the world with the wrong set of parents.  I'm sorry for you, but I've done all we can.  Get out now or tough fucking shit.  You can move somewhere else and have a life for yourself or learn to raise a toddler you didn't expect because you were denied care even from rape and make meth to make ends meet.  Because the next 20 years are going to absolutely suck for you.  You'll have nobody to blame but your mother, father, and the illusion they cling to.  

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Can anyone imagine what it would be like for wives or daughters to have a crisis pregnancy, and to know that a) the medical community is constrained by a code of silence in terms of medical advice, and b) at BEST, difficult decisions might require an emotionally devastated wife or daughter to have to travel hundreds or thousand of miles to get healthcare.
I don't think men can fathom this kind of situation.
What kind of man would allow that shit to possibly affect their loved ones?  Let alone fellow citizens who may not have the economic ability to get beyond the emotional devastation?
I'm not a one issue voter but I certainly have a minimum requirement.
 

What kind of man you ask? An evangelical Christian kind of man. God has planned all things and knows all, so any suffering is part of his plan.
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10 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

What kind of man would allow that shit to possibly affect their loved ones?  Let alone fellow citizens who may not have the economic ability to get beyond the emotional devastation?

What kind of man?  A Republican.

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34 minutes ago, safe sex said:

You know, Lobo, a lot of people make a practice of venting their frustrations by writing them out on paper and then burning them. I feel like your last post could have been one of those instead. 

Two things:

  1. Ironic rant coming from a guy who spent his entire adult life until recently trying to get Republicans elected in this state until he realized too late that Trump and fascism were the ultimate fruits of his labor when he blindly supported them for networkin' and muh taxes.
  2. Blames women, this time, for misogynistic theocrats getting elected in Texas (normally blames Democrats) instead of the Chamber of Commerce-type Republicans he had traditionally supported when they were getting in bed with the religious nuts.

I know this is going to set him off, but he still refuses to take his share of the blame for his complicity in all of this. I've yet to see any contrition, only finger-pointing.

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1 hour ago, safe sex said:

You know, Lobo, a lot of people make a practice of venting their frustrations by writing them out on paper and then burning them. I feel like your last post could have been one of those instead. 

I couldn't get past the use of the consistent double sentence spacing. 

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Arizona GOP better hope this gets worked out, but the 2022 law is still on the books and not helping them.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/arizona-supreme-court-pushes-back-enforcement-1864-abortion-ban-rcna152092

Arizona Supreme Court pushes back enforcement date for 1864 abortion ban

The governor signed a bill repealing the Civil War-era law, but the new statute won't take effect for several months, potentially allowing brief enforcement of the old one.

The Arizona Supreme Court on Monday granted a request to delay enforcement of the state’s 1864 near-total abortion ban.

The court granted Democratic Attorney General Kris Mayes’ request for an additional 90 days before the Civil War-era ban can be enforced.

Even though Democratic Gov. Katie Hobbs signed a repeal of the ban on May 2, that measure cannot take effect until 90 days after the state’s legislative session ends — and it is still in session. Monday's court order essentially narrows the window in which the ban could be enforced, if it all.

“I am grateful that the Arizona Supreme Court has stayed enforcement of the 1864 law and granted our motion to stay the mandate in this case for another 90 days,” Mayes said in a statement Monday.

She also said her office "will consider the best legal course of action to take from here,” which could include asking the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene.

Previously, Mayes' office said the 1864 ban would go into effect June 27. The court's action Monday pushes that back to Sept. 26, her office said.

The enforcement date hinges heavily on when the state's legislative session ends. Last year, it wrapped up July 31. If legislators were to keep to that timeline, the ban could be enforceable for about a month — from Sept. 26 until late October — under the new projections. But it’s still unclear when this year's session will end.

With the enforcement delay, the state is operating under a 15-week ban on abortions passed in 2022 — signed by the governor at the time, Doug Ducey, a Republican — that makes exceptions for medical emergencies but not for rape or incest.

That law has prompted a coalition of reproductive rights organizations to try to get a constitutional amendment on the state’s ballot in November. The amendment would enshrine the right to an abortion through fetal viability and greatly expand the scope for exceptions.

The coalition, known as Arizona for Abortion Access, is on track to get the referendum on the ballot.

 

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5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

So some politician's sister was given an abortion pill against her will

Or it’s made up bullshit and didn’t actually happen. 

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8 hours ago, safe sex said:

You know, Lobo, a lot of people make a practice of venting their frustrations by writing them out on paper and then burning them. I feel like your last post could have been one of those instead. 

Fair enough.  I was fortunate enough to be raised by women who elevated other women.  I promise you that Trump’s female votes will actually increase this year.  Same for Abbott in 2026. No rant by me and no pithy retort by you will change that.  There are 100 other factors at play here; but their inspiration to get female voters out to the polls is the most disturbing one of all to me.  

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12 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

Can anyone imagine what it would be like for wives or daughters to have a crisis pregnancy, and to know that a) the medical community is constrained by a code of silence in terms of medical advice, and b) at BEST, difficult decisions might require an emotionally devastated wife or daughter to have to travel hundreds or thousand of miles to get healthcare.

I don't think men can fathom this kind of situation.

What kind of man would allow that shit to possibly affect their loved ones?  Let alone fellow citizens who may not have the economic ability to get beyond the emotional devastation?

I'm not a one issue voter but I certainly have a minimum requirement.

 

The thing you have to understand is that Republican men won't simply allow that kind of thing to affect their wives and daughters, they want it to happen to them. It's how they control them and it's proof from God that their control is righteous and the correct order of things.  

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On 5/11/2024 at 10:56 AM, UpperWestside said:

Sometimes you gotta wonder just how much of what the Pilgrims said about coming here for religious freedom was really just that no one liked them because they were just not good people.

That's probably a 20/80 split. My guess is they were judgmental pricks. England was glad to get rid of them. Got damned immigrants.

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It's almost as fascinating as organized religion enduring today that despite their entire backstory being almost 100% bullshit, that these "Pilgrims" still dictate so much of my daughter's lives in our "Limited Government" State of Texas.  I am an educated man, pretty dumb, but well-read.  And I know more about the freaking Buddha and Shintoism than I do about the "Pilgrims."  Remember that book you read or college course you took about "the Pilgrims?  Yeah, me neither.  Because they're a fucking myth.  They barely happened.  Yet here we are, living under their thumb and brass shoe buckle or whatever the fuck is on that can of oats.  

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