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  • Bama Chick
    Bama Chick

    No. Fuck off with that. Not every abortion is about trauma and tragedy and using that framing plays into the christofascist’s hands. Women are humans. Humans have bodily autonomy. Ergo, women have b

  • Brisketexan
    Brisketexan

    I do love this argument. I really do. It’s as convenient a way to label yourself a drooling moron as exists, outside of towing around a giant neon “I’M A MORON” sign. No, they didn’t teach us that

  • hayden_horn
    hayden_horn

    of course you do. thing is, i would support that. if they choose that. and the real thing is, i'm actually pro life. both my sons were very premature, and had they been born in the 80s, they

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Oh.

Arkansas allows abortion to save the life of the mother and since Jessa Duggar Seewald had a miscarriage this was apparently in accordance with the law although it makes no mention of the health of the mother as others have had to continue until no heartbeat is detected or infections grow bad enough. No other details regarding heartbeat etc. are known due to privacy details.

21 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Oh.

Arkansas allows abortion to save the life of the mother and since Jessa Duggar Seewald had a miscarriage this was apparently in accordance with the law although it makes no mention of the health of the mother as others have had to continue until no heartbeat is detected or infections grow bad enough. No other details regarding heartbeat etc. are known due to privacy details.

The duggars are fucking vile. They drape themselves in the bible and evangelical imagery and preach about the dangers of the gays, while protecting and aiding their son who was molesting their young daughters. Just absolutely horrible awful people. 

4 hours ago, South Austin said:

Me, @Brisketexan, and Steve Patterson. 

Doubtful GIFs | Tenor

11 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Oh.

Arkansas allows abortion to save the life of the mother and since Jessa Duggar Seewald had a miscarriage this was apparently in accordance with the law although it makes no mention of the health of the mother as others have had to continue until no heartbeat is detected or infections grow bad enough. No other details regarding heartbeat etc. are known due to privacy details.

So can planned parenthood help mothers with “miscarriages” and find a way around these laws? Or do you have to be molested by your brother and Jesus famous like these fuckwads to get away with it 

"
There, she had another ultrasound. Baby A looked fine, but the scan of Baby B was "heartbreaking," she says. There were more concerning signs: an incomplete abdominal wall, indications of heart abnormalities, and the cystic hygromas had grown larger. The doctor had trouble getting the tissue sample for the diagnostic test. After multiple attempts, Miller recalls, he threw his gloves in the trash.

"He was very blunt, which was kind of refreshing, [saying], 'Look, this baby is not going to make it to birth,'" Miller says.

Then, she remembers him saying: "You can't do anything in Texas, and I can't tell you anything further in Texas, but you need to get out of state."
"


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/02/28/1154339942/abortion-texas-laws-twins-selective-reduction

On 2/25/2023 at 7:17 AM, lemonlime said:


It won’t. Desantis would send them to a godless immoral hellish blue state where they’d get their abortions.

Yep.  Wealth, even enough wealth for a plane ticket and a hotel stay, is sufficient to insulate them from the worst repercussions of these laws. They can afford to support poorly written, one-sided, virtue signal laws, because they can always buy their way out of it.  This isn't about crafting a workable system.  

Nebraska's heartbeat bill is likely hitting the floor this week.  Republicans have a fillibuster-proof majority.  Senator Cavanaugh is looking to pull out every delay tactic, on every bill, as she vows to "burn this session to the ground." Activists are talking about civil disobedience to gum up the session and delay it.  I really wish it all had a chance of working.  

Starting to think Walgreens doesn't want my business.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/walgreens-breaks-pledge-and-gives-to-sedition-caucus/

Despite pledging to suspend contributions to members of Congress who objected to the certification of Joe Biden’s victory, Walgreens made donations to 11 members of the Sedition Caucus in November 2021, according to disclosures reviewed by CREW. The pledge-breaking donations total more than $25,000.

The biggest recipients of Walgreens donations were House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and Minority Whip Steve Scalise, at $5,000 each.

Other recipients included Reps. Greg Steube, Markwayne Mullin, Tom Rice, Ron Estes, Neal Dunn, Buddy Carter, Richard Hudson, Jackie Walorski and the leadership PAC of Rep. Elise Stefanik.

Isn't Walgreens CEO kind of Trumpy? Fuck them and fuck Kris mf'ing Kobaugh, jfc the right just recycles all these corrupt retreads after they lose an election, with the idiots voting them into another position 

Unbelievable:

Last week, Texas introduced a bill that would make it illegal for internet service providers to let users access information about how to get abortion pills. The bill, called the Women and Child Safety Act, would also criminalize creating, editing, or hosting a website that helps people seek abortions.

If the bill passes, internet service providers (ISPs) will be forced to block websites “operated by or on behalf of an abortion provider or abortion fund.” ISPs would also have to filter any website that helps people who “provide or aid or abet elective abortions” in almost any way, including raising money.

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There, she had another ultrasound. Baby A looked fine, but the scan of Baby B was "heartbreaking," she says. There were more concerning signs: an incomplete abdominal wall, indications of heart abnormalities, and the cystic hygromas had grown larger. The doctor had trouble getting the tissue sample for the diagnostic test. After multiple attempts, Miller recalls, he threw his gloves in the trash.

"He was very blunt, which was kind of refreshing, [saying], 'Look, this baby is not going to make it to birth,'" Miller says.

Then, she remembers him saying: "You can't do anything in Texas, and I can't tell you anything further in Texas, but you need to get out of state."
"


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/02/28/1154339942/abortion-texas-laws-twins-selective-reduction


As always, the cruelty is the point. It’s how you most assertively demonstrate your dominance and power over others.

Unbelievable:

Last week, Texas introduced a bill that would make it illegal for internet service providers to let users access information about how to get abortion pills. The bill, called the Women and Child Safety Act, would also criminalize creating, editing, or hosting a website that helps people seek abortions.

If the bill passes, internet service providers (ISPs) will be forced to block websites “operated by or on behalf of an abortion provider or abortion fund.” ISPs would also have to filter any website that helps people who “provide or aid or abet elective abortions” in almost any way, including raising money.



Dystopia much?
On 3/7/2023 at 1:03 AM, elfenix said:

5 women are suing the state on the various laws' making even medically necessary abortions nearly impossible to get


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/06/us/texas-abortion-ban-suit.html

Just saw one of those women speak: after cervical insufficiency early in her second trimester, her water broke. She had to wait until her body went septic before doctors could save her life. She now fears the delay has damaged her chances of carrying a child to term.

She also mentioned another of the five plaintiffs, who lost both twins when the abortion of one of the twins could have saved the other.

Despicable law supported by rock brained fools.

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His two lawyers are class A douche bags 

 

10 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

His two lawyers are class A douche bags 

 

How the fuck did he get access to HER text messages?  Fuck Texas.  Seriously.

I had no idea that Ana was a member of the SC legislature.

If anyone needs helps getting out of Texas, there is an Underground Railroad of expatriates ready to help 

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

I had no idea that Ana was a member of the SC legislature.

“Pro life”

3 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

“Pro life”

Has always been a lie. 

8 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Has always been a lie. 

Just like "Small Government" and "Freedom of Speech".

Just drove by the Planned Parenthood at Research/Burnet and the protesters are out on the curb. What are they protesting at this point? Women’s healthcare? Which is about all PP can provide.

has wendy suares appeared in the dominique's sweater thread?

It's like Oklahoma is trying to piss off moms, whether it's the leave stuff equalling vacation or trying to wreck public education in Oklahoma.

I had no idea that Ana was a member of the SC legislature.

There are two factions of the former GOP:

GQP
American Taliban

Good thread on the upcoming shitshow of legal fuckery 

 

Anyone else noticed that alongside the male attorney, Erik Baptist, for the plaintiffs in the Mifepristone abortion pill case is one Erin Morrow Hawley, wife of Josh Hawley?

Yep.

That judge is putting them in the red zone and they've one inch to go before they do the TD dance.

Disgusted.

Would not be surprised to see the ruling today. The judge announced on Wednesday per the article in this tweet that he would rule as soon as possible but I suspect releasing it on St. Patrick's Day would not surprise me at all at all.

 

9 minutes ago, elfenix said:

North Dakota supreme court finds state constitutional right to abortion to protect health and life of mother. One judge likens it to the right of self defense.

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/16/1163927465/north-dakota-abortion-ban-court-ruling

At first, I was like ...

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But then I read the link - 

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"While the regulation of abortion is within the authority of the legislature under the North Dakota Constitution, RRWC has demonstrated likely success on the merits that there is a fundamental right to an abortion in the limited instances of life-saving and health-preserving circumstances, and the statute is not narrowly tailored to satisfy strict scrutiny," Chief Justice Jon J. Jensen wrote in the ruling.

In other words, there's a sufficient likelihood of success to block the ban from going into effect, but they haven't specifically found that such a fundamental right exists.  Still, I would not have foreseen this from fucking North Dakota judges.  I will take it.

5 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

The war on women is in full swing.  It's disgusting.

It was never about protecting children

6 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

The war on women is in full swing.  It's disgusting.

It never stopped. Religion out front should of told you 

1 hour ago, BevoAbyss said:

The Christian war against human progress is nothing new, going back decades, centuries, and millennia.

Three decades later, they are winning in the courts and many statehouses. It's insane.

The website, Theocracy Watch, is no longer updated (I think the last time was over a decade ago) but over the last several years I have found it useful to read some of the essays on that site. It was *founded by Joan Boaker, now 78, as part of Cornell's Center for Religion, Ethics, and Social Policy (CRESP). Cornell renamed it several years back as the Center for Transformative Action and with that shifted their focus. Franklin T. Lambert was another academic who wrote quite a bit about the founding of America and religion but I get the feeling that we are seeing less and less of the scholars who speak of history as it truly was (w/o cherry picking) and more of the pushing of the agenda to return to scholars who wrote (and will write) of history from the perspective of the ruling class; which in America is male and white and Christian i.e. a true patriot.

The idea that godless communist 'secular humanist' academics were and are ruining America is not a new thought, but the way in which the rise of the evangelical right and the corporate oligarchs have dovetailed in the political and academic arenas is not a surprise. It's been pointed out on this forum many times how many corporations were saying one thing (we support DEI and other causes!) while their donation and lobbying histories suggest otherwise.

In the long term authoritarianism, theocracy, and other similarly minded types of rule are bad news, even for those who believe they will be in a protected class. But that is where we're headed pell-mell.

 

*Boaker did not found CRESP--to clarify--that was founded by John Lee Smith, (1928-2010) and perhaps with his passing, one of the reasons for the shift towards an alternative approach for the Center. He graduated from UT-Austin, summa cum laude and then went on to Yale where he received a Bachelor of Divinity.

Hook 'em.

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1 hour ago, mchookem said:

look i don't know where you came from @BevoAbyss but gotdamn if you don't bum me out worse than @Brisketexan 

 

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The Ledge could have *poetry in springtime if you like; you know things such as 'gather ye rosebuds while ye may...' or "...the lone and level sands stretch far away' or 'Then we will have tonight,' -we said- 'Tomorrow may we not be dead?' or '...She was advised to play coy, exhorted to come on hearty, exercise, diet, smile and wheedle....' or there is the following poem which will really bum you out so it is spoilered:

Spoiler

A Good Woman Would Never

by Sylvia Beato, 3rd place award winner in the 2017 Split This Rock Abortion Rights poetry contest

for years you told no one
how you cried yourself to sleep
after the doctor held your hand
“are you sure about this?”

how you cried yourself to sleep
while blood poured down your legs
“are you sure about this?”
and protestors booed outside the clinic

while blood poured down your legs
you stopped believing in god
and protesters booed outside the clinic
because a good woman would never

you stopped believing in god
“are you sure about this?”
because a good woman would never
for years you told no one
 

 

 

Some folks have decided that women are to be the shame eaters for all of society's ills.

 

 

*Selections are, in order, from:

To the Virgins, to Make Much of Time by Robert Herrick; Ozymandias by Percy Bysshe Shelley; On Cheating The Fiddler by Dorothy Parker; and Barbie Doll by Marge Piercy. I'm not  well-read in poetry but I believe it to be a worthwhile endeavor.

2 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Some folks have decided that women are to be the shame eaters for all of society's ills.

Pretty sure she is aware of that.

Mrs W, you are a treasure to this board.  And this is the first I’ve heard of Shame Eater. A sadder term to learn than Ditch Pig, but both terms are now to be used.

Hell, half of Austin's musicians have already moved to New Mexico.  They need docs, too.

On 3/18/2023 at 12:16 PM, Mrs Whiggins said:

The Ledge could have *poetry in springtime if you like; you know things such as 'gather ye rosebuds while ye may...' or "...the lone and level sands stretch far away' or 'Then we will have tonight,' -we said- 'Tomorrow may we not be dead?' or '...She was advised to play coy, exhorted to come on hearty, exercise, diet, smile and wheedle....' or there is the following poem which will really bum you out so it is spoilered:

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A Good Woman Would Never

by Sylvia Beato, 3rd place award winner in the 2017 Split This Rock Abortion Rights poetry contest

for years you told no one
how you cried yourself to sleep
after the doctor held your hand
“are you sure about this?”

how you cried yourself to sleep
while blood poured down your legs
“are you sure about this?”
and protestors booed outside the clinic

while blood poured down your legs
you stopped believing in god
and protesters booed outside the clinic
because a good woman would never

you stopped believing in god
“are you sure about this?”
because a good woman would never
for years you told no one
 

 

 

Some folks have decided that women are to be the shame eaters for all of society's ills.

 

 

*Selections are, in order, from:

To the Virgins, to Make Much of Time by Robert Herrick; Ozymandias by Percy Bysshe Shelley; On Cheating The Fiddler by Dorothy Parker; and Barbie Doll by Marge Piercy. I'm not  well-read in poetry but I believe it to be a worthwhile endeavor.

ee cummings

pitypoor manunkind 

'pity this busy monster, manunkind'

pity this busy monster, manunkind,

not. Progress is a comfortable disease:
your victim (death and life safely beyond)

plays with the bigness of his littleness
--- electrons deify one razorblade
into a mountainrange; lenses extend
unwish through curving wherewhen till unwish
returns on its unself.
                          A world of made
is not a world of born --- pity poor flesh

and trees, poor stars and stones, but never this
fine specimen of hypermagical

ultraomnipotence. We doctors know

a hopeless case if --- listen: there's a hell
of a good universe next door; let's go

E. E. Cummings

 

 

 

 

23 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Well, it looks like Texas is in the finding out stage.  

As is Idaho.

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Bonner General Health hospital in Sandpoint, ID, announced on Friday that it will no longer provide labor, delivery, and a host of other obstetrician services, citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major contributing factors. Bonner General is the only hospital in a 50-mile radius, and the residents of Sandpoint will now be forced to travel for hours to receive this basic and essential care. The hospital’s leadership made a statement saying that the decision to eliminate the obstetrics unit came from the “political climate” in Idaho, which has caused “highly respected, talented physicians” to leave the state entirely. They continued, “The Idaho legislature continues to introduce and pass bills that criminalize physicians for medical care nationally recognized as the standard of care.” The Dobbs decision legalized a state ban on abortions after six weeks of pregnancy, and Idaho is one of six states that prosecutes doctors for providing the procedure. The Idaho legislature is also terminating its maternal mortality review committee.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

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3 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I saw that article earlier.  Republicans are idiots.  Good luck getting any talented people to move to these states.  

My wife is a fucking dermatologist and these Texas laws are coming for her at some point.  You have to be on birth control to take Accutane.  We are leaving this state.

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