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Dude and his family are MAGA to the nth degree.
 


His mom, Brenda Sanford:

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Here's what I don't get:  In Oct., 2020, Thomas Sanford was saying that Trump saved 2 million lives with the Covid vaccine.  Less than a year later, his mom --- A huge Trump supporter, judging from her social media ---- is posting shit like the above photo.

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11 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Here's what I don't get:  In Oct., 2020, Thomas Sanford was saying that Trump saved 2 million lives with the Covid vaccine.  Less than a year later, his mom --- A huge Trump supporter, judging from her social media ---- is posting shit like the above photo.

Because Joe Biden took office in January of 2021.

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Active shooter in the liberal hotbed of Wolf Point, Montana.
 
 
 

It’s kind of all breaking wide open now, isn’t it? When everything from every direction is doing all it can to break society…society eventually just….breaks.
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It’s kind of all breaking wide open now, isn’t it? When everything from every direction is doing all it can to break society…society eventually just….breaks.

We are a very long way from broken. We haven’t truly reached 3rd world status yet. We have so much farther to go and so much worse for things to get.
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16 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

Dude said that Kellie tried to poison him during their brief time together.  His skull is half plastic due to being wounded in an attack in Iraq. Sad and unconscionable that we don’t have places for people like this man who so desperately need help. This guy is not like the vast majority of shooters not a nihilist. A profoundly ill man. 😔 

We train them to harden their hearts to killing. We send them to a war zone to experience enormous stress where they kill people. We'll treat their bodies when they undergo horrific damage. Then we fly 'em home, say thanks, and barely fund anything that actually helps them readjust. "Thank you for your service" is to veterans what thoughts and prayers are to mass shooting victims and their families.

We really like sending soldiers into the field. We really hate abandoning our hopelessly naive view of soldiering.

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21 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

We train them to harden their hearts to killing. We send them to a war zone to experience enormous stress where they kill people. We'll treat their bodies when they undergo horrific damage. Then we fly 'em home, say thanks, and barely fund anything that actually helps them readjust. "Thank you for your service" is to veterans what thoughts and prayers are to mass shooting victims and their families.

We really like sending soldiers into the field. We really hate abandoning our hopelessly naive view of soldiering.


Guns.

Mental Health.

Veterans. 
 

In every instance we fail at it.

We give them all lip service without solving the problem because it’s hard and we’re lazy. 
And it’s expensive and people are greedy.

And all are a question about morality IMO and we have lost our morality.

You don’t need religion to be moral. But in the progressivism movement it has become so secular that it completely concedes an important  front in American life. And American Protestantism Megachurch Complex has become grotesquely amoral because of it. 
 

I have no answers. I’m just bitching I guess. 

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Dude and his family are MAGA to the nth degree.
 

His mom, Brenda Sanford:

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Here's what I don't get:  In Oct., 2020, Thomas Sanford was saying that Trump saved 2 million lives with the Covid vaccine.  Less than a year later, his mom --- A huge Trump supporter, judging from her social media ---- is posting shit like the above photo.

The Covid vaccine wasn’t even available until December 2020, right?
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46 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

We train them to harden their hearts to killing. We send them to a war zone to experience enormous stress where they kill people. We'll treat their bodies when they undergo horrific damage. Then we fly 'em home, say thanks, and barely fund anything that actually helps them readjust. "Thank you for your service" is to veterans what thoughts and prayers are to mass shooting victims and their families.

We really like sending soldiers into the field. We really hate abandoning our hopelessly naive view of soldiering.

What are you talking about, they also get one day of the year where they can eat free at Applebee's, Chili's, or Olive Garden. 

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So weird that another clearly maga shooter isn’t being talked about by the right. We going to have moments of silence and flags at half staff for these victims?  No?  Man, that’s just weird. 

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So weird that another clearly maga shooter isn’t being talked about by the right. We going to have moments of silence and flags at half staff for these victims?  No?  Man, that’s just weird. 

Oh, the chief communication cunt is talking about it

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24 minutes ago, C-Man said:


The Covid vaccine wasn’t even available until December 2020, right?

I think they announced they had one around that time.  What's weird, is I remember, early on before they released the vaccines, that it generally was considered a good thing.  And some time between around that October and early January 2021, the social media bots changed the perception for a large swath of part of the population, which wasn't already anti-vax generally, and, well, here we are.

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Shooter pictured wearing a Make Liberals Cry shirt. I don’t think of Mormons as liberal, but I guess I have no idea how to make America great.

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36 minutes ago, C-Man said:


Oh, the chief communication cunt is talking about it

 

 

So let me get this straight -

1.  Guy apparently comes from a Christian background (see mom with "aBOrTeD FeTAl TiSSuE!" sign).

2.  Guy allegedly had some extreme views about Mormons after spending some time in Utah.

3.  Guy decides to shoot up and burn down Mormon church.

And the Ministry of Truth here is going to stick with "It's a war on Christians" (as opposed to the more likely scenario that "It's a holy war BY Christian nutjobs who have been riled up by the Right Wing's constant victimization propaganda")?

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19 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

If Christian Nationalist Paydays are taking aim at Mormons, how much longer until they put Catholics in their sights?

I’d be a bit cautious at saying this was Christian Nationalism in a real sense; it’s likely that the person harbored bigotries towards Mormons but would be unable to articulate how shooting them and burning their building advanced a political-religious agenda. 

I posted upthread but to clarify more: these people (Kirk, ICE, LDS, etc) are not Gavrilo Princip or John Wilkes Boothe or ISIS or Al-Qaeda. They do not commit horrific acts of violence with an aim to shaping external reality or influencing others.  

They are angry, hopeless, and marinating in the most toxic stew of simmering resentment and violent currents that humanity has ever created.  They express directional grievances and sympathies but the anger is what’s centered and the “cause” is an accessory. 

Their outbursts have horrific effects on other people. But ultimately they are acts of violence designed and carried out to disrupt their own internal worlds— not the external one. It is socially contagious but the target is really the host. 

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1 hour ago, Dnaguy said:


Guns.

Mental Health.

Veterans. 
 

In every instance we fail at it.

We give them all lip service without solving the problem because it’s hard and we’re lazy. 
And it’s expensive and people are greedy.

And all are a question about morality IMO and we have lost our morality.

You don’t need religion to be moral. But in the progressivism movement it has become so secular that it completely concedes an important  front in American life. And American Protestantism Megachurch Complex has become grotesquely amoral because of it. 
 

I have no answers. I’m just bitching I guess. 

It's quality bitching. I've only recently discovered the poisonous tides of Kingdom Christianity and the stampede of right wing opinion leaders to join a virulent movement in the Catholic Church.

I don't often watch TV news, but I read periodicals. Until chancing upon articles in Atlantic and either the New Yorker or Vanity Fair (man, that used to be such a good magazine), I was completely in the dark about any specifics regarding these right wing church movements.

I didn't read anything about either of these developments in political coverage. They speak only dull generalities using the same tired analysts. Welded to MAGA, these metastasizing religious branches represent, to me, the most intractible cancers on the republic. They don't even give lip service to its ideals, they want theocracy.

Of course, if you're settting up a theocracy in the name of Christ, what better choice do you have than Donald Trump. This aligns with your articulate conclusion about grotesque amoralty. 

If a religious person doesn't find morality in their religion, where does it come from? Yikes.

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8 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Okay. Not sure there is any real sense in Christian Nationalism, but, okay.

idk, we have a few self-admitted Christian Nationalists and christofascists on the board that we could ask about it. Icono/Macklemore and WWS come to mind

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:


Oh, the chief communication cunt is talking about it

 

 

 

 

Not bad. Even elegant. It's the target that matters.

The killer? Sometimes they is just they, sometimes it's army of transgender murderers, bathroom invaders, and ruiners of women's sports supported by the ebil Dems.

We can rely on this psycho Rodney Dangerfield impressionist to protect us.

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39 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

They are angry, hopeless, and marinating in the most toxic stew of simmering resentment and violent currents that humanity has ever created.  They express directional grievances and sympathies but the anger is what’s centered and the “cause” is an accessory. 

Their outbursts have horrific effects on other people. But ultimately they are acts of violence designed and carried out to disrupt their own internal worlds— not the external one. It is socially contagious but the target is really the host. 

A whole lot of this.  It's why the constant stream of demonization, inciteful hate speech, etc. about "the other" (which is alternately defined as immigrants, democrats, working women, insufficiently Christian folks, etc....to the point that it covers all people who aren't 100% MAGA white males) is stochastic terrorism.  The strategy is to inflame and incite people as much as possible, KNOWING that some number of them will explode.  And then the leaders will take advantage of that violence and chaos to seize and consolidate power.  This cartoon is one of the most accurate of this period in history:

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The other point to observe is how the chaos and violence isn't NEARLY as selective as the broad-base of MAGA supporters would like.  Shades of the phrase from his first term: "HE'S HURTING THE WRONG PEOPLE!"

Trump has strong support from LDS members.  That is stupid, because as is already being demonstrated, MAGA has and will turn on them in a heartbeat because they aren't REAL Christians.

Conservative Catholics?  Yeah.  Y'all think you're different.  You're not.  You're a papist fifth column hurting America.  MAGA will turn on you too.

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

So weird that another clearly maga shooter isn’t being talked about by the right. We going to have moments of silence and flags at half staff for these victims?  No?  Man, that’s just weird. 

Surely Drumpf and Co. are gonna have a rally memorial for them, too, right?  Fireworks.  Nazis yelling about their divine right to rule.  All that good stuff.  Right?  

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This feels like we're missing the story here.

People hate each other for their religion - that has been the story of the world since the dawn of time and I don't know of any place that has this solved.

Mental illness is a major issue throughout the world and while some countries (European, generally) have a better plan for it, it's still largely unsolved. Add in the issue of PTSD Veterans and the world largely ignoring their needs and we have another mostly unsolved issue.

Guns, however - we have a solution for that. European countries have proven the solution. New Zealand has proven the solution. It's right there!

It doesn't solve the whole problem but it addresses a huge part of it and it's something we can actually do - we know this b/c it's already been done. Control what you can control.

 

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2 hours ago, C-Man said:


The Covid vaccine wasn’t even available until December 2020, right?

Correct.  Pfizer submitted an EUA in late November.

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12 minutes ago, dieucla98 said:

This feels like we're missing the story here.

People hate each other for their religion - that has been the story of the world since the dawn of time and I don't know of any place that has this solved.

Mental illness is a major issue throughout the world and while some countries (European, generally) have a better plan for it, it's still largely unsolved. Add in the issue of PTSD Veterans and the world largely ignoring their needs and we have another mostly unsolved issue.

Guns, however - we have a solution for that. European countries have proven the solution. New Zealand has proven the solution. It's right there!

It doesn't solve the whole problem but it addresses a huge part of it and it's something we can actually do - we know this b/c it's already been done. Control what you can control.

 

Shall not be infringed pal. Shall not be infringed. 

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[This isn't directed to anyone in particular, but it needs to be pointed out every single time this happens]

 

Mass shootings are not primarily a mental health issue.  Every other country has mental health issues.  Every other country has youth playing violent video games and listening to gangster rap and heavy metal.  Mass shootings are an epidemic here, and only here, because this is literally the only nation on Earth where almost anyone can buy an assault rifle in a sporting goods store.  And please don't try to post a couple of outlier shootings in other countries as some sort of pathetic attempt at a counterargument.

The easiest access to guns, by far = the most gun deaths, by far.  It is exactly that simple.

If you like your guns so much that you just don't care, then have the balls to admit it.

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2 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

If you like your guns so much that you just don't care, then have the balls to admit it.

I'm pretty sure most of them have, and share Charlie Kirk's viewpoint on the value of freedom to own an arsenal over the collateral damage.

We need to stop acting like we can change peoples' values in any way other than our own behavior -- to be examples ourselves. 

It's only transactional if you are dealing with someone who has values that aren't yours. 

 

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2 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Okay. Not sure there is any real sense in Christian Nationalism, but, okay.

I get you. I think it’s for sure fair to say that the rhetoric inspired some of the direction of his anger, if not providing the type of framework and strategy associated with political violence. 
 

I did somewhat misspeak: while this stuff doesn’t remind me of formal ISIS fighting for a caliphate in the Near East, it does very much remind me of the lone figures who “pledge allegiance to ISIS” and erupt at a Christmas market or train station. 
 

In both cases, they are men who choose to identify with a triumphalist, intolerant reading of a faith that would if implemented transfer significant power to them. They transfer their own disappointment and failures to society’s alleged failure to align with the rules they would set for it. And again— the acts of violence are not meant to realistically bring about changes to align with their visions, they’re meant to relieve their own incandescent anger and frustration. 



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