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the 2023 speaker of the house voting thread of implosion


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2 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Who here among us have not used an ATM in the Champagne Room, let them cast stones.   

(true story: i attended a golf tournament full of mostly drunk lawyers and sales people at a resort north of Tampa. Saddlebrook maybe?  One of the guys arranged an escort and called the front desk to have her added to the room as his guest - at the hooker’s urging, so she would not get in trouble. I hope he had a good time that night, because when he got done playing his round of golf the next day, he came back to find the hooker had gone to the resort boutique and purchased about $5k worth of jewelry and clothes and put it on his room. Good times)

 

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

I was at a family office conference this week at South Congress Hotel.  It was all decked out for international travelers here for U.S. Grand Prix.  It's already a very nice property but they had so many nice little details setup for their guests and even for us lowly day-attendees.  One thing I noticed though was what appeared to be a circa-1999 Bob Popular's ATM in a nook between the conference space and one of the restaurants.  I mean, it was sandwiched between a janitor closet and the elevator bank.  Everything else on site is either state of the art of purposely vintage.  And then there's this crap-tastic cash machine that just screams, "Euros for Dollars for Whores!"  Maybe it's there year around.  But I meet folks there for breakfast and what-not many times a year and I've never noticed it.  It did not exactly profess "discretion."  But I'd like to think our international guests appreciate the little things.  

My friend that does breakfast service/kitchen cleanup with me at church this morning told me that a lady entertainer joined his friend once after he had a great night at a Vegas sportsbook.  As he used the restroom, she looted the room.  We all know this kinda tale.  Took his wallet, all chips, all cash, except she left behind $500 in $50 bills because there's some weird unwritten rule, that I didn't know until today, that $50 bills were bad luck.  A working gal's gotta have a code apparently.  

 

1 hour ago, Bookman said:

Do prostitutes take post-dated two-party checks? Asking for a friend.

The Aristocrats!

Seriously these are great questions - one of you should as Fitlump, during a break in a City Council meeting

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If one reasonable GOP rep came along... one who could work with the Democrats and be semi-logical... they could sew up the nomination.  Seriously... ahve someone say, "hey, I'm going to run... here's why you should vote for me" and not be super MAGA crazy... they could ignore the conference meetings and just do it.

Yeah, pipe dream, I know.  We all keep talking about this scenario.  Its' not happening.  GQP will dig up this man's body and put him up for speaker...

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17 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

(true story: i attended a golf tournament full of mostly drunk lawyers and sales people at a resort north of Tampa. Saddlebrook maybe?  One of the guys arranged an escort and called the front desk to have her added to the room as his guest - at the hooker’s urging, so she would not get in trouble. I hope he had a good time that night, because when he got done playing his round of golf the next day, he came back to find the hooker had gone to the resort boutique and purchased about $5k worth of jewelry and clothes and put it on his room. Good times)

Hey, he asked her to fuck him. And she fucked him alright.

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Doesn't a majority of the Republican conference have to support a candidate first before it goes to a full House vote? So, I don't really understand how one of the very few GOP "moderates" can even be considered. It's going to have to be a very conservative candidate who they're sure can pull votes from the crazies when the vote goes to the floor.

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10 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Doesn't a majority of the Republican conference have to support a candidate first before it goes to a full House vote? So, I don't really understand how one of the very few GOP "moderates" can even be considered. ...

And now you see the violence inherent in the system!

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25 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Doesn't a majority of the Republican conference have to support a candidate first before it goes to a full House vote? So, I don't really understand how one of the very few GOP "moderates" can even be considered. It's going to have to be a very conservative candidate who they're sure can pull votes from the crazies when the vote goes to the floor.

Can't someone cut back deals and just have reps vote for them?  Last week they were voting for retired reps so basically write-in votes.

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31 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Doesn't a majority of the Republican conference have to support a candidate first before it goes to a full House vote? So, I don't really understand how one of the very few GOP "moderates" can even be considered. It's going to have to be a very conservative candidate who they're sure can pull votes from the crazies when the vote goes to the floor.

Cut deals.

 

 

 

with Democrats.

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31 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Doesn't a majority of the Republican conference have to support a candidate first before it goes to a full House vote? So, I don't really understand how one of the very few GOP "moderates" can even be considered. It's going to have to be a very conservative candidate who they're sure can pull votes from the crazies when the vote goes to the floor.

I would think Democrats could nominate her with a majority of their conference.

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4 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

We aren't getting shit today, are we?

Sounds like in-conference debate between the 9 candidates or whatever, secret vote tomorrow and then could go to the floor Wednesday. 

So..... probably another week without a speaker because the secret vote is going be something stupid with someone getting a plurality at like 25-30% 

 

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1 hour ago, texasdago said:

If one reasonable GOP rep came along... one who could work with the Democrats and be semi-logical... they could sew up the nomination.  Seriously... ahve someone say, "hey, I'm going to run... here's why you should vote for me" and not be super MAGA crazy... they could ignore the conference meetings and just do it.

Yeah, pipe dream, I know.  We all keep talking about this scenario.  Its' not happening.  GQP will dig up this man's body and put him up for speaker...

That seems like it should work, but in the political reality we are currently living in - the Dems have been given the gift of letting the Repubs show that they cannot rule/legislate when in the majority. This process, when it works, allows the majority party, through their conference, to elect leaders of the house and of committees, but it is a crappy system if there is a coalition. And that is what the Repubs are in actuality, seems like this could fracture the party, and it may cause moderate (some might say reasonable) Repubs to actually reach out to the Dems; the problem is that they might want a few to reach over and support Jeffries. In reality, if there was a split it would take a great deal of compromise to get anything passed. 
 

But it would be a huge defeat for the current majority to have to make a coalition; not sure how much worse that could be (or be perceived to be) that the shitstorm the R conference has right now (quick question bigger mess - the 2024 PAC 12 conference, or the Republican conference/)

 

 

footnote; Zero democrats voted no in the Republican conference last week that pushed Gym (was Gym one of the lolllipop kids?) out of contention for the speaker.

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9 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

I would think Democrats could nominate her with a majority of their conference.

I think the majority party controls the nomination process....well in theory they control it; not sure they control shit right now. Bad news is there are some that like being the shiny turd in the shit show.

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13 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

I would think Democrats could nominate her with a majority of their conference.

The GOP will not vote for whoever the Dems put up.  A compromise candidate has to come from the GOP first, not the Dems. 

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14 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Sounds like in-conference debate between the 9 candidates or whatever, secret vote tomorrow and then could go to the floor Wednesday. 

So..... probably another week without a speaker because the secret vote is going be something stupid with someone getting a plurality at like 25-30% 

 

It might be a while. Was just reading WashPo - they were saying:

1. Vote
2. If no one is at 50%, drop the lowest recipient, goto 1

 

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5 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

It might be a while. Was just reading WashPo - they were saying:

1. Vote
2. If no one is at 50%, drop the lowest recipient, goto 1

 

So basically ranked choice voting without the ranking.  Just eliminates the lowest vote getter every round. 

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Why would Democrats cut any deals? They're the minority party, just let the Republicans keep the government shut down for as long as it takes as that will only blow back on them. If I'm a Democrat in the house I park myself there so I can vote against whomever they throw up there and just chill with some movies and video games on one of Trump's bimbo lawyer endorsed laptops. There's nothing for them to do except be present to vote against republicans until the republicans finally pick whatever asshole can pass the vote. Maybe we'll all get lucky and they'll go Aaron Burr and start killing each other. 

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

[Trump] I believe you mean milktoast. [/Trump]

Joe Biden and the liberal media would have you believe they are milktoast.  They are really trying to get you to believe that.  Do you want to know why?  Do you want to know why?  I don't know, exactly.  They aren't milk, or toast.  Anyone can see that, but not Joe Biden.  No.  I think someone left sleepy Joe's bedroom door unlocked and he's out looking for breakfast.

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1 hour ago, Wally Fairway said:

I think the majority party controls the nomination process....well in theory they control it; not sure they control shit right now. Bad news is there are some that like being the shiny turd in the shit show.

Right now around 4-8 Republicans are controlling the nomination process.  Anybody who doesn’t make Gym or Matt happy will not get the Speaker’s Chair unless they cut a deal with Democrats, and then Gaetz or Gym will automatically run out an MTV and do so constantly unless it gets changed in short order.

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9 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

Is the 1 person motion to vacate rule for all speakers moving forward for this term or was it just for Mccarthy . How many is it normally?

It’s always been there, but was only used once before (and threatened a couple times under Gingrich and Boehner). They can pass a new rules package to modify it back to what it was.

The rules package passed under Pelosi in 2019 changed it so that a majority of the caucus had to bring forth the motion, not just one Rep. The 2023 rules package McCarthy had to agree to was that 1 Rep could trigger it.

A new rules package for this congress would likely raise the threshold; a new rules package under a potential Dem House in 2025 would likely go back to the Pelosi rule 

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

The GOP will not vote for whoever the Dems put up.  A compromise candidate has to come from the GOP first, not the Dems. 

My point was that the Dems could nominate a Republican who's not even currently in Congress (aka Cheney) and all they'd need is a handful of Republicans to vote along with them (assuming the Dems vote as a bloc on the floor).

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Just now, DDD Dad said:

My point was that the Dems could nominate a Republican who's not even currently in Congress (aka Cheney) and all they'd need is a handful of Republicans to vote along with them (assuming the Dems vote as a bloc on the floor).

They could, but my point stands. We are too hyper-partisan for that, especially the GOP. They’d never go for a Republican inside or outside the chamber nominated by the Dems. It would need to be nominated by one of the Never Jordan GOPers 

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1 hour ago, Wally Fairway said:

I think the majority party controls the nomination process....well in theory they control it; not sure they control shit right now. Bad news is there are some that like being the shiny turd in the shit show.

There have been multiple nominees from both parties (well at least from the GOP) for each floor vote.  I think it takes just one member to nominate a candidate.  I'm not following this all that closely though, tbh.

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Remember the impotent eight likes the idea of the government being shut down, no aid to Ukraine, and behind closed doors, no aid to Israel. They will just keep letting this go. At some point there will be pressure on Democrats and moderate republicans to do something. 

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2 hours ago, bolverk said:

Doesn't a majority of the Republican conference have to support a candidate first before it goes to a full House vote?

It’s really more that the chair (PM) won’t gavel in and call for nominees until the conference agrees. As soon as they are in session any member who is recognized by the chair can put a name forward.

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3 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

There are not 4 people in the GOP that have back bone to just switch parties? Just say fuck it - I’m done with these insane assholes and be with the grown ups in the room?

Only if that person is nearing retirement. But the olds are a big part of why we're in this mess.

Who's willing to end their political career for the greater good?

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17 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Only if that person is nearing retirement. But the olds are a big part of why we're in this mess.

Who's willing to end their political career for the greater good?

If curious, there's currently 5 GOPers who have announced either retirement or running for another office: 

Alex Mooney -  running for WV Senate
Jim Banks -  running for IN Senate
Victoria Spartz
Dan Bishop - running for NC Attorney General
Debbie Lesko

So really, there's only 2 retirements who could do anything of importance.  Not enough.  And those 18 Biden District Republicans are pretty stubbornly sticking with the GOP and hoping Trump being on the ballot saves them next year.

In other words, there does not exist any scenario where 5 Republicans will flip the U.S. House majority to the Democrats.  Wishing and hoping for it is pointless - it is not going to happen. 

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8 minutes ago, Js1 said:

If curious, there's currently 5 GOPers who have announced either retirement or running for another office: 

Alex Mooney -  running for WV Senate
Jim Banks -  running for IN Senate
Victoria Spartz
Dan Bishop - running for NC Attorney General
Debbie Lesko

So really, there's only 2 retirements who could do anything of importance.  Not enough.  And those 18 Biden District Republicans are pretty stubbornly sticking with the GOP and hoping Trump being on the ballot saves them next year.

In other words, there does not exist any scenario where 5 Republicans will flip the U.S. House majority to the Democrats.  Wishing and hoping for it is pointless - it is not going to happen. 

Even if they know it's the right thing to do and want to do it, they'll have to watch their 6 for the next few years at least. 

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