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17 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Thank you for the civics lesson. Did you bill for that hour?

To think lawyers as a group, with as much money as they generate, and as smart as they all seem to project, couldn’t band together to improve the inefficiencies of the court system, and are at best some pawn in the great game of life is just the chefs kiss. 

But maybe I’m wrong, and you are all powerless, just one cog in the great law machine. I’ve definitely never experienced a lawyer using delay tactics to increase my expenses in a civil trial. That’s just part of that unchanging system. You know what, maybe you could find another old post of mine for a pithy reply? 

What are there, 20 million attorneys?  The percentage of retrograde assholes is no different in any group that size in the society.  They can’t band together any more so than the rest of us.

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6 minutes ago, nbmishoid said:

What are there, 20 million attorneys?  The percentage of retrograde assholes is no different in any group that size in the society.  They can’t band together any more so than the rest of us.

And as pointed out earlier, on any given policy issue lawyers are something like equally divided. 

They may not be equally divided personally, but their client base may compel them not to take a position on an issue. 

And you are absolutely deluding yourself if you think even the biggest law firm wields the kind of money and influence as most of the fortune 500,especially when several of them are bound together in an imdustry/lobbying group. 

Posted
1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

And you are absolutely deluding yourself if you think even the biggest law firm wields the kind of money and influence as most of the fortune 500,especially when several of them are bound together in an imdustry/lobbying group. 

Are you suggesting a single law firm couldn’t use money to curry favor with a Supreme Court justice?

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2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

It’s definitely not easy. Change is never easy, but most industries strive to better themselves through change. To your point, most industry wide change is a reaction to something negative. For example, environment laws after Exxon Valdez spill, the Dodd-Frank Act after the Great Financial Crises, and the Judicial Conference along with the Rules Enabling Act after large case backlogs in the 1920s. Maybe the current deficiencies of the court system will inspire some lawyer or judge to champion a more efficient process. 

ok dude we'll get right on it

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21 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

He was previously on the Texas Supreme Court during a period when they tightened standards for pain & suffering, was he not?

Actually, although Abbot was a member of a Texas Supreme Court that was, generally, pretty right wing and what you'd call "business oriented," he was not at all a standout fascist.

The court as a whole back then was comparatively mellow and Priscilla Owen and Nathan Hecht were probably the fascists in chief.  Hecht is still there and my sense of it is that he blows like a political weathervane and thus is all-in on current fascist tendencies.  Owen is now at the Fifth Circuit and is about as hardcore a fascist as you would want (or not, as the case may be), and has been so for years and years.  She and Edith Jones are the real-deal Holyfield.

That's why it is somewhat surprising that Greg Abbott has done such a heel turn into a total shitbag.

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2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Are you suggesting a single law firm couldn’t use money to curry favor with a Supreme Court justice?

Currying favor with a couple of judges and lobbying Congress to spend a shitpile of money creating more courts and judgeships are two entirely different things.

 

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3 hours ago, nbmishoid said:

What are there, 20 million attorneys?  The percentage of retrograde assholes is no different in any group that size in the society.  They can’t band together any more so than the rest of us.

It is valid to say that some attorneys occupy positions of power that fuck people, namely the Supreme Court, but it's their position as judges rather than lawyers that makes that so.

And, I'm mostly taking out of consideration the fact that in an adversarial dispute or process, there's usually a winner and a loser, and sometimes the loser actually gets fucked.  Sometimes they deserve it.  But that's to me a different ball of wax.

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Fuck that traitorous, raping, lying, stealing piece of shit.

Well done, Ms. Carroll. She's quite a woman. 

It's also nice that a jury will find against this POS.

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And it won't ultimately make a shit. Unless he's found guilty in a criminal trial, it won't fucking matter to the GQP. He'll spin this as a witch hunt, etc and the MAGATS will go on their merry, blissfully ignorant way and pull the lever for him in November 2024.

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Somebody has likely beat me to this, but from the NYT:

 

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A Manhattan jury on Tuesday found former President Donald J. Trump liable for the sexual abuse of the magazine writer E. Jean Carroll in a widely watched civil trial that sought to apply the accountability of the #MeToo era to a dominant political figure.

The federal jury of six men and three women also held Mr. Trump, 76, liable for defaming Ms. Carroll when he posted a statement on his Truth Social website in October, calling her case “a complete con job” and “a Hoax and a lie.”

The jury determined that Carroll had proven Mr. Trump sexually abused her, but they rejected the accusation that she had been raped. Sexual abuse is defined in New York as subjecting someone to sexual contact without their consent.

The jury awarded Ms. Carroll, 79, a total of $5 million in damages. Although more than a dozen women have accused Mr. Trump of sexual misconduct over the years, allegations he has always denied, Ms. Carroll’s case is the first such claim to be successfully tested before a jury.

The jury’s unanimous verdicts came after three hours of deliberation in Federal District Court in Manhattan. Its findings are civil, not criminal, meaning Mr. Trump has not been convicted of any crime and faces no prison time.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Red Five said:

You know, back in my day, being found guilty of sexual assault might have been a hindrance in one's quest to be President of the United States.


maga gqp celebrate this. Grab them by the pussy, all women are good for !!!

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2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

And it won't ultimately make a shit. Unless he's found guilty in a criminal trial, it won't fucking matter to the GQP. He'll spin this as a witch hunt, etc and the MAGATS will go on their merry, blissfully ignorant way and pull the lever for him in November 2024.

He'll raise 10 million tonight.   

lawdogs: what about attorney fees?

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5 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"

"I stood in a dressing room at Bergdorf-Goodman and raped somebody, and I won't lose any voters, OK?"

Posted
7 minutes ago, Red Five said:

You know, back in my day, being found guilty of sexual assault might have been a hindrance in one's quest to be President of the United States.

something something... but her emails

something something... but Hunter Biden's laptop

something something... but protest not insurrection

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8 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


maga gqp celebrate this. Grab them by the pussy, all women are good for !!!

Hey, that's for "stars" only. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

He'll raise 10 million tonight.   

lawdogs: what about attorney fees?

It’s a civil trial, right? So each party pays their own attorneys. I’m not aware of a fee shifting statute that applies here

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At least the dem campaign ads will be fun. Or should be. “Look Jack, he was impeached twice, led a failed coup attempt, is accused of countless felonies, and was found guilty of sexual assault. But one time I fell off my bike.”

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NYT just posted the $5mil figure and this:

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Carroll just walked out of the Manhattan Federal Courthouse smiling ear to ear and holding hands with her attorney Roberta Kaplan.

Since I'm having trouble submitting and I've read a few more posts, I'll add that maybe we could not talk about women as pieces of meat amid discussion of sexual assault? It's fucking embarrassing.

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Posted
36 minutes ago, Red Five said:

They played for the jury Dotard's deposition where he said that it's ok for stars to assault women. Slam dunk.

“Unfortunately or fortunately.” ‘I don’t know. Maybe it’s a good thing. I can’t say. You decide. All I can say for sure is I’m a star and that means I can grab women by the pussy. I don’t make the rules.’

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20 minutes ago, C-Man said:

And it won't ultimately make a shit. Unless he's found guilty in a criminal trial, it won't fucking matter to the GQP. He'll spin this as a witch hunt, etc and the MAGATS will go on their merry, blissfully ignorant way and pull the lever for him in November 2024.

Being criminally guilty wouldn’t matter either.

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