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Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Aileen Cannon, basically, not sarcastically: "How on earth could the divine Mr. Godking President Trump know he wasn't supposed to steal top secret nuclear secrets when he left office? He's just a lovely, kindhearted person who can't reasonably be expected to know obscure rules like 'don't steal top secret shit'!" 


he said the fbi planted all those files

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Posted
1 minute ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

But she will take nine months to reach this conclusion and make her ruling.  So we have that going for us.


four corner offense. Smith met his match in cannon 

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7 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


he said the fbi planted all those files

And he was told repeatedly "Hey those don't belong to you. Give them back." And he didn't. Then he started lying about them, and having his goons move them around, loading them on planes and shit. 

This is so fucking stupid. 

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Posted
14 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

The only thing we have going for us is the distant future joy of pissing on that traitors grave 

Not gonna be able to.  It will be the centerpiece of The US Capitol II: Gold Plated MAGA Boogaloo.  We'll raze the current building, erect a new one that's covered in the cheapest gold plate available, then crowned with a red dome with a running electronic "Make America Great Again" slogan circling it in perpetuity, topped with a 50-foot tall gold statue of his Royal Donaldness; in the rotunda will be the giant tomb of Our Dear Leader, guarded by Trumpista Shock Troops (giant hats with big feathered gold "T" on top), visited as a sacred pilgrimage site by all free Americans (side note: the only Americans who will be free will be those who have signed a loyalty oath to the Trump family, Long May They Reign).

See....you think that we're going to win.  I think that you're wrong.

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27 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Aileen Cannon, basically, not sarcastically: "How on earth could the divine Mr. Godking President Trump know he wasn't supposed to steal top secret nuclear secrets when he left office? He's just a lovely, kindhearted person who can't reasonably be expected to know obscure rules like 'don't steal top secret shit'!" 

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“If that’s the theory of the indictment, then there would be other officials who clearly would have run afoul of this provision as charged,” the judge said during an early exchange with Trump attorney Emil Bove.

Open a fucking law book, you dumb vapid cunt.

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On 3/13/2024 at 1:54 PM, RDCanecutter said:

It's a gas station at an interstate exit, not the entrance to Heaven.

You mean you have to pour your peanuts into a CAN of RC?  You can't even see them in there.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Open a fucking law book, you dumb vapid cunt.

Responses: “I think that this is the first of its kind." and “There’s been nothing remotely like this.”

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1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Responses: “I think that this is the first of its kind." and “There’s been nothing remotely like this.”

I don't expect the Trump "attorneys" to be smart, but her as the judge also acting like this is the first time this has ever happened is just...

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CNN — The Manhattan District Attorney’s Office is willing to delay Donald Trump’s criminal hush money trial for up to 30 days, according to a court filing.

The trial is currently scheduled to start on March 25.

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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

This rotten motherfucker is not going to go to trial for anything.  It's all a fucking pipedream. 

All of this is going to be strung along and will not see any sort of resolution before Election Day. If Biden wins, it's game on and Trump likely starts seeing some justice on some of this shit. If DOTARD wins, he'll wave his hand on Day 1 after taking office in Jan 2025 and it will all disappear like tears in the rain. Or a Mickey D's fart in the wind.

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25 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

CNN — The Manhattan District Attorney’s Office is willing to delay Donald Trump’s criminal hush money trial for up to 30 days, according to a court filing.

The trial is currently scheduled to start on March 25.

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Oh ye of little faith.  You all have to have objectively noticed that while he's been stupid and in bad shape for decades, he's visibly and audibly worn down a lot in the last 12 months, no?  He's put a lot of weight back on, he's slurring words, confusing names and dates and information at every single speech/interview.  His coloring has changed.  His posture is worse than before.  He just looks and sounds substantially worse now than he did in the ~2 years after he left office when he was golfing and grifting.  He may not have a jury conviction by Election Day, but the idea is between him having to fundraise, plus campaign, plus do media, plus make multiple appearances at now four long-extended court-cases...that kind of schedule is brutal on a man of his age and heft.  His conscious brain may tell him it's all worth it, but his subconscious and his body don't seem to be agreeing with him.  He's running himself into the fucking ground.  Even with some little wins in two of the cases, the whole schedule and burden of legal subjugation is eating away at him even if he doesn't know it overtly.  None of this movement dies until he does.  And therein lies the rub.  

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Posted
3 hours ago, Red Five said:

Imagine the scandal that would have been back in a somewhat normal world.

With a black president...

In a tan suit...

Whose wife exposed her shoulders...

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Hide the Ketchup?  And get out the blow.  And the strippers.  And then more blow.  Maybe some Hennessey.  Certainly some 'ludes.  Shit's gonna drag out and probably result in not much, but this kinda shit is eating away at his subconscious which will eat away at his decaying body.  He'll put on a bold face and pout, but this is just another nail in his chest cavity.  Little by little, the man dies faster and faster every day.  Seriously, if anybody on here has leftover fireworks from 7/4 or 12/31, save them.  We'll need them soon.  

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Posted
6 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

But she said she can try again once all the evidence has been presented. So she’ll grant it then 

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Just now, Js1 said:

But she said she can try again once all the evidence has been presented. So she’ll grant it then 

Eh. Most motions to dismiss raise trial defenses, meaning the defendant can attempt to raise the same or similar issues at trial. This is not particularly out of the ordinary. 

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On 3/13/2024 at 12:55 PM, Reality Check said:

Interesting that Trump wasn't targeted in any of these four jurisdictions criminally and two jurisdictions civilly until he announced his run for president, isn't it?

Why did he have to announce he was running for President, if he was already the legitimate President serving out his second term?  Interesting, isn't it?  

You do realize that for $100,000, I can get on the ballot in at least one U.S. state for President, commit widespread felonies, and then declare that I am immune from prosecution because I am being unfairly targeted politically for my alleged crimes as a candidate for high office?  This is really not a precedent you want to have set, or a path you want to walk down.  Or do I need to explain to you why Ford had to pardon Nixon despite Presidential Immunity?  You are out of your element here little man.  The timing unfolded as it did because we had to wait until he was out of office before even beginning to dream about planning to build the case.  Is it getting rushed up against the election at this point?  Absolutely.  You're right on that point.  Are we absolutely 100% in uncharted political waters because there's simply very little statute and zero caselaw precedent to guide the ship?  Goddamn right.  Is he gonna skate on most of this shit?  Yep.  Is the process going to cause him to die prematurely?  Fucking-A right it is.  Are you going to weep and mourn?  Yes, like a little bitch.  Am I doing to die of a mushroom-infused cocktail of Heroin, Molly, and Rum?  It's a risk I'm willing to take.  

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2 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Goddammit. In looking up one of Trump’s new counsel, I read of another grotesque discovery fuckup (and attempted cover up) coming out of SDNY. 

Thankfully, none of this seems attributable to Smiths teams. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Goredho said:

And just to be absolutely sure

 

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Dude really looks like he would sniff Julie's panties from the hamper when he was working in the bathroom.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Dude really looks like he would sniff Julie's panties from the hamper when he was working in the bathroom.

Probably a clergyman

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Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Dude really looks like he would sniff Julie's panties from the hamper when he was working in the bathroom.

A little judgmental?

 

edit: been a while since I watched that show, and even then, I might not have known any character's name.  I wrongfully assumed "Julie" was Valerie Bertinelli.  Carry on.

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Posted
3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Goddammit. In looking up one of Trump’s new counsel, I read of another grotesque discovery fuckup (and attempted cover up) coming out of SDNY. 

Thankfully, none of this seems attributable to Smiths teams. 

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Posted
9 hours ago, safe sex said:

Goddamn what did Bob do besides not playing with the Scabs enough?

I met him a few times.  Never a very nice guy.  But whatevs.  We've got bigger problems now.

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7 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Oh ye of little faith.  You all have to have objectively noticed that while he's been stupid and in bad shape for decades, he's visibly and audibly worn down a lot in the last 12 months, no?  He's put a lot of weight back on, he's slurring words, confusing names and dates and information at every single speech/interview.  His coloring has changed.  His posture is worse than before.  He just looks and sounds substantially worse now than he did in the ~2 years after he left office when he was golfing and grifting.  He may not have a jury conviction by Election Day, but the idea is between him having to fundraise, plus campaign, plus do media, plus make multiple appearances at now four long-extended court-cases...that kind of schedule is brutal on a man of his age and heft.  His conscious brain may tell him it's all worth it, but his subconscious and his body don't seem to be agreeing with him.  He's running himself into the fucking ground.  Even with some little wins in two of the cases, the whole schedule and burden of legal subjugation is eating away at him even if he doesn't know it overtly.  None of this movement dies until he does.  And therein lies the rub.  

And then there's a final solution even if everything is delayed and he does get elected.  I'm way too swamped over here dealing with college football and Seinfeld and drinking and such, but I'm sure someone could find the time.

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On 3/6/2024 at 12:14 AM, Hermanator said:

Supreme Court, Congress, etc. are all going to abdicate responsibility and kick the can down the road to leave it up to the American people to ultimately decide if the US will collapse under authoritarian rule. Vote red for fascism. Vote blue for democracy. 

It was always going to be this way and it will come to a head in November and the months after. 

So, it just occurred to me...

If the previous President did anything close to what many are thinking and many are proclaiming, there is real knowledge of it somewhere. There are agencies and departments that know things about just about everything, and this dude isn't the best at hiding what's going on, so it's known.

So with that, if he really did do bad things, we're already screwed. Right?

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21 minutes ago, Slacks said:

So, it just occurred to me...

If the previous President did anything close to what many are thinking and many are proclaiming, there is real knowledge of it somewhere. There are agencies and departments that know things about just about everything, and this dude isn't the best at hiding what's going on, so it's known.

So with that, if he really did do bad things, we're already screwed. Right?

Edit: Fuck my reading skills--they don't care.  Facts and science aren't in their favor, so they create their own, which the press discusses at length.  

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Posted
9 hours ago, safe sex said:

Sad to learn today that Bob Schneider is a douche. 😔

That's your takeaway from all this? This morning, I learned that 9/11 was Bill Clinton's fault. And, you know what? I'm starting to get pretty suspicious about that Jimmy Carter.

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14 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Goddammit. In looking up one of Trump’s new counsel, I read of another grotesque discovery fuckup (and attempted cover up) coming out of SDNY. 

Thankfully, none of this seems attributable to Smiths teams. 

Being that the NY FBI Office was very Trump friendly, I wonder if the Federal Prosecutor's Office has the same issue there.

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16 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Eh. Most motions to dismiss raise trial defenses, meaning the defendant can attempt to raise the same or similar issues at trial. This is not particularly out of the ordinary. 

793(e) is the statute under which Trump is charged, while I think it might have been easier to prove 793(D):

(d)
Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(e)
Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
 
As far as I can tell, the bolded is the difference. 
 
Trump's possession was both authorized (while in office) and unauthorized (after leaving office).  The gravamen of the offense, though, is "willfully retaining," but the gubmint is still going to have to prove all of the elements of the offense, which includes authorized or unauthorized possession.  I guess the question is when does it matter?  At the time the defendant came into possession of the documents or at the time they were willfully retained?  Some other time?
 
That was where the vagueness inquiry focused.  The broad concern is that a vague statute either does not "give notice" that a crime is a crime, or could encompass what ought not be criminal activity, such as leaving office and accidentally retaining NDI, as Pence and Biden seem to have done and Trump wants us to believe he did.  Cannon's question quoted above is stupid:  even if Biden and Pence had unauthorized possession as of leaving office, they didn't commit an offense under the statute until they willfully retained or communicated or one of the other things itemized in the statute.
 
She definitely does not seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer and/or easily distracted by unimportant aspects.
 
 
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Posted
21 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Being that the NY FBI Office was very Trump friendly, I wonder if the Federal Prosecutor's Office has the same issue there.

Possibly.  The more likely explanation is "cops gonna cop" (referring more broadly to issues of discovery abuse/Brady violations at SDNY).  There also seems to be some historical basis for feds just not cooperating with state prosecutors and cops, just because.

Whatever it is, it's stupid.

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Just now, TwiceHorn said:

Possibly.  The more likely explanation is "cops gonna cop" (referring more broadly to issues of discovery abuse/Brady violations at SDNY).  There also seems to be some historical basis for feds just not cooperating with state prosecutors and cops, just because.

Whatever it is, it's stupid.

I watched the documentary about how they took down the Teflon Don. The feds and the state organized crime task force were absolute enemies, and refused to cooperate with each other. They finally found a way to get convictions after a brief moment of cooperation. So yeah, there is great historical antipathy between the two agencies.

Even decades later, they were badmouthing each other in the documentary 

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9 hours ago, Slacks said:

So, it just occurred to me...

If the previous President did anything close to what many are thinking and many are proclaiming, there is real knowledge of it somewhere. There are agencies and departments that know things about just about everything, and this dude isn't the best at hiding what's going on, so it's known.

So with that, if he really did do bad things, we're already screwed. Right?

Just some light reading....

https://www.project2025.org/



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