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Posted
4 hours ago, bolverk said:

Sticky notes
A yellow sticky note affixed to the papers Trump carried into court read, “This case should be dismissed by the judge but it’s totally corrupt.” Images of the handwritten note were captured when news photographers were briefly allowed into the courtroom before proceedings started Tuesday.

Why does he need a sticky note for that?  He already says that a few dozen times a day.

Does he also have one that says, "Man, woman, person, camera, tv."?

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Posted
55 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

who are you talking about

The fat orange guy with the tiny hands.  Look at the upper part of his hands and his wrists.  Never mind his coloring, for a guy his size and age...that swelling level is not good.  He doesn't drink but that sharply indicates he is having organ malfunction.  He doesn't know it consciously, but it's happening.  He thinks he's invincible, but his body has begun to devour itself.  Only question remaining is whether we enjoy the hell outta this or he takes us down with him.  

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Posted
59 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

yes. i’d be stunned if they did.

I assume the jury will be sequestered until they rule.  When I was a bailiff, I had a bad situation where the jury was sequestered mid-deliberation at a local motel.   One of the guy’s sons did not know dad was doing jury duty, but thought he was cheating on mom at the motel ‘cause he spotted his car.  One of Spokane’s finest saw the kid peering in a motel window.   The kid and the officer and the motel manager tried to come see the dad, but I stopped them and said they could not speak to my juror.  Cop cared not for a bailiff and got bowed up and said he “was in charge”.  He put his hand on his holster.  I had a Smith model 36 ‘Chief’s Special’ 38 snub nose as my service weapon, and told the guy to chill because I could get to my gun quicker than him - and neither of us needed to be shot over something so stupid when we could call the judge and get his input.  

My judge was bigly unhappy and tore the cop a new asshole for almost causing a mistrial in a week long rape-murder trial.  

(pro-tip for rapist murderers:

Do not kidnap a front desk clerk, but if you do, Try not to fill out a registration card With your name and vehicle number before you leave the scene and go kidnap rape murder)

 

I feel terrible for the victim but one reason that I love Surly is that in no way can I get this story in my current social circle.

The internet sucks for a myriad of reasons, but Surly is not one of them.

Thanks @Gatorubet. I guess there’s one more reason to be headed to the SEC other than the 50-75 other ones and the future stability of our athletic program:

Posted
5 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

The internet sucks for a myriad of reasons, but Surly is not one of them.

Thanks @Gatorubet. I guess there’s one more reason to be headed to the SEC other than the 50-75 other ones and the future stability of our athletic program:

Surly is awesome. Texas coming to the SEC makes us better in every sport, and increases our academic prestige. I think only 3 or 4 SEC institutions are AAU members. I know this won’t be popular, but Texas and Florida are very similar in academics and athletics, granted not with your past history. Both Big-Brother land grant universities, both hated by the A&Ms and FSUs of the world because we are what they ain’t.  

Thanks for the kind words. 

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Posted

Ha he absolutely said because “we’re white”

I think he meant “we’re right” but he’s pretty dumb and his father is a racist…so

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Posted (edited)

So more on Cannons latest. Apparently at 530 pm on Friday the government sent Trumpco an email about their gag order motion, which was formatted as a condition to avoid pretrial detention,which is actually a bit more serious than the other gag orders, enforceable only by contempt. This would be to revoke his "bail" if he violates the conditions. 

Trumpco offered to review and discuss on Monday. The government declined and filed on Friday. And declined to identify the statements by Trump on which it was based (those referring to lethal force by the warrant team and to planting evidence). 

It was Jay Bratt on the motion.  The details may be off but this is the gist of it. 

That was a bit of a dick move by the government, even if it was likely futile. Pretty aggressive at any rate. 

The saving grace for the government is that they were apparently candid about the non-conference instead of pretending that they really did confer. 

You could rightfully expect just about any US District Judge in America to do what Cannon did here. Trumpco asked for sanctions and she declined. 

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I ought have known  those cultures which create shamans would also be caught up in the desecration of the Liar, but I dismissed buffalo wazoo as a one off.  #TeamHorseBoy
 

I guess simulation is another word for prophecy, in terms of structure a person grasps at, in order to make sense of utter chaos.

Posted
1 hour ago, speed817 said:

He will when he's at Rikers

 

32 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Moon River….

Dammit, you beat me to it.

Posted
59 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Moon River….

 

26 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

Dammit, you beat me to it.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Red Five said:

I'm so glad all the mini-dotards have adopted his "the whole country knows it's nonsense!" bullshit.

Bad news peeps.  My X account reveals that this young African-American GOP fan with a blue checkmark learned from the media covering the trial today that the prosecution totally lost the jury with their long bullshit.  Apparently, at least seven of the jurors will vote to quit Trump and this deliberation thing is absolutely a waste of time unless shenanigans happen.

Never forget, the vast unwashed who listen to Fox and mini foxes have heard the entire time from those “news” sources that the prosecution has been destroyed time and time again by Trump’s lawyers, and that Cohen was proven to be the worlds biggest liar, which destroyed the criminal case.    

They will read about the seven jurors who have been turned to trump’s team. The fact that that is not how it works, that is not how any of this works, will be lost on them completely should a conviction happen.  But rest assured that the neck beards will be furious that Joe Biden and the liberals got the verdict changed. 

It was stollen people!!!!

Violence is almost assured. 

 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Bad news peeps.  My X account reveals that this young African-American GOP fan with a blue checkmark learned from the media covering the trial today that the prosecution totally lost the jury with their long bullshit.  Apparently, at least seven of the jurors will vote to quit Trump and this deliberation thing is absolutely a waste of time unless shenanigans happen.

Never forget, the vast unwashed who listen to Fox and mini foxes have heard the entire time from those “news” sources that the prosecution has been destroyed time and time again by Trump’s lawyers, and that Cohen was proven to be the worlds biggest liar, which destroyed the criminal case.    

They will read about the seven jurors who have been turned to trump’s team. The fact that that is not how it works, that is not how any of this works, will be lost on them completely should a conviction happen.  But rest assured that the neck beards will be furious that Joe Biden and the liberals got the verdict changed. 

It was stollen people!!!!

Violence is almost assured. 

 

I'm gonna go out a limb and guess they are in for a surprise by about 2 tomorrow.  

Posted
3 hours ago, YGIFS said:

The fat orange guy with the tiny hands.  Look at the upper part of his hands and his wrists.  Never mind his coloring, for a guy his size and age...that swelling level is not good.  He doesn't drink but that sharply indicates he is having organ malfunction.  He doesn't know it consciously, but it's happening.  He thinks he's invincible, but his body has begun to devour itself.  Only question remaining is whether we enjoy the hell outta this or he takes us down with him.  

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I've laughed at Boebert
I've laughed at Margie
I've laughed so hard
Then I suddenly see

[Chorus]

Fat orange man with the tiny hands   Forget the spray tan
Just look at those hands

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Posted

I wonder if the jury has any kind of inkling that the consequence is just a fine, and so a guilty verdict isn’t a big deal or a tough choice if the case is well proven.  Which would be why his attorney put it in their minds that a jail term is a possibility. 

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Posted (edited)
13 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I wonder if the jury has any kind of inkling that the consequence is just a fine, and so a guilty verdict isn’t a big deal or a tough choice if the case is well proven.  Which would be why his attorney put it in their minds that a jail term is a possibility. 

You're probably not wrong about him simply getting just a fine if found guilty. But, to my knowledge, the maximum penalty could be up to four years. Of course, he'd appeal that verdict, which would last forever. 

Edit: I don't know who does the sentencing in that case, whether it would be the judge or the jury.

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Posted
1 hour ago, bolverk said:

You're probably not wrong about him simply getting just a fine if found guilty. But, to my knowledge, the maximum penalty could be up to four years. Of course, he'd appeal that verdict, which would last forever. 

Edit: I don't know who does the sentencing in that case, whether it would be the judge or the jury.

The Judge sentences.   One of the things affecting the potential sentence is lack of contrition and refusing to admit that what you did was wrong. I’m sure Trump will be humble and contrite if convicted. 

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I am also sure that the judge will completely ignore all of those attacks on him and his daughter that put his family at risk.  

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Posted
1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I wonder if the jury has any kind of inkling that the consequence is just a fine, and so a guilty verdict isn’t a big deal or a tough choice if the case is well proven.  Which would be why his attorney put it in their minds that a jail term is a possibility. 

The comment about prison was massively improper because it is not the jury’s role to determine punishment, and there is also a pattern jury instruction specifically telling the jury not to consider possible consequences of the any verdict.  Using the P word was intended to make them wonder if they were going to be the first ones putting a former President in jail, which could give some people pause regardless of their thoughts on his criminal culpability. 

And no, I am not saying this because I think he will serve time, but all the judge said was that imprisonment was not an automatic required response to a guilty verdict. He also did not say that jail time was absolutely out of the question.   30 days would make a point about no man being above the law.  If he is convicted, that is my preferred sentence - to shut up his Jean Valjean imitation - like he suffered 19 years unjustly.  

Convicted felon and ex-con, however short, would be sweet.   I would have to take a hangover day off if that happened.

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Posted
5 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

The comment about prison was massively improper because it is not the jury’s role to determine punishment, and there is also a pattern jury instruction specifically telling the jury not to consider possible consequences of the any verdict.  Using the P word was intended to make them wonder if they were going to be the first ones putting a former President in jail, which could give some people pause regardless of their thoughts on his criminal culpability. 

And no, I am not saying this because I think he will serve time, but all the judge said was that imprisonment was not an automatic required response to a guilty verdict. He also did not say that jail time was absolutely out of the question.   30 days would make a point about no man being above the law.  If he is convicted, that is my preferred sentence - to shut up his Jean Valjean imitation - like he suffered 19 years unjustly.  

Convicted felon and ex-con, however short, would be sweet.   I would have to take a hangover day off if that happened.

Just a note, even if the jury sentences, as it does or can in some jurisdictions, it is still massively improper to hint at punishment aspects during the guilt phase. It's just not proper for the jury to consider. 

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Posted

Well, I for one, have a hard time believing that Trumps team would do anything improper!

Also 30 days in jail seems like a horrible out come.   He'll just play the martyr and the press will be dominated with coverage of Trump's jail time...   Day 15 of Trump's historic confinement!   What did he eat today?

It'll be a absolute shit show

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Posted
Just a note, even if the jury sentences, as it does or can in some jurisdictions, it is still massively improper to hint at punishment aspects during the guilt phase. It's just not proper for the jury to consider. 

Right. Of course, there’s no need to hint at all in that scenario because the potential punishments are thoroughly discussed during voire dire.
Posted
1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Just a note, even if the jury sentences, as it does or can in some jurisdictions, it is still massively improper to hint at punishment aspects during the guilt phase. It's just not proper for the jury to consider. 

Is the jury's determining his sentence an option in NY?  So far, everything I've read has indicated that the judge will determine his punishment if he's found guilty.

Posted
1 minute ago, dcbc said:

Is the jury's determining his sentence an option in NY?  So far, everything I've read has indicated that the judge will determine his punishment if he's found guilty.

Don't think so, no.

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Posted
1 minute ago, dcbc said:

Is the jury's determining his sentence an option in NY?  So far, everything I've read has indicated that the judge will determine his punishment if he's found guilty.

I don't know the answer to that question, but the issue seems to be the jury even considering possible sentences while deliberating innocence or guilt.

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Don't think so, no.

All the shit-talking he did about the judge throughout this trial seems like even less of a good idea in that scenario.

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Posted
Just now, jimmyjazz said:

I don't know the answer to that question, but the issue seems to be the jury even considering possible sentences while deliberating innocence or guilt.

Correct.  I understand the objection to the defense's argument.  I was asking separately whether the jury's determining punishment was an option.  It is in Texas.  It seems like maybe not in NY.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, dcbc said:

All the shit-talking he did about the judge throughout this trial seems like less of a good idea in that scenario.

It's a genius strategy for an appellate point.  "The judge who handed down the sentence was clearly biased because of all the Defendant's demeaning public comments about the judge and his family.  You must reverse!"

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Posted
1 hour ago, South Austin said:

It's a genius strategy for an appellate point.  "The judge who handed down the sentence was clearly biased because of all the Defendant's demeaning public comments about the judge and his family.  You must reverse!"

Thankfully, judicial bias is a very steep hill in a criminal appeal.  Also, it might be a pretty fun run at the invited error doctrine to spend 5 weeks trashing a judge and his family in every known media form, then cry bias.

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Posted
16 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

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Yeah....I once had to answer for a (very green) judge the question of "so, what is your authority for the argument that I can grant summary judgment on just part of a claim?"  I didn't handle it well, as I answered "you mean....other than the rule, which says you can move for summary judgment on 'all or any part of' of a claim?"  And she said "yes, other than that."  I told her I'd get her a short letter brief that afternoon, which I did - I literally had to type out the exact text of the rule and I cited about half a dozen exemplar cases where the court did exactly that.  

In fairness, she got it right, and learned quickly.  And she may also have been super-nervous as it was literally her first day on the bench.

But some of these ideologues that were appointed last term....they're flat-out dumb and bad at being judges.  And setting aside politically important cases, everyday practitioners are going to have to deal with their idiocy and incompetence for decades to come.

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Posted
2 hours ago, locodos said:

Well, I for one, have a hard time believing that Trumps team would do anything improper!

Also 30 days in jail seems like a horrible out come.   He'll just play the martyr and the press will be dominated with coverage of Trump's jail time...   Day 15 of Trump's historic confinement!   What did he eat today?

It'll be a absolute shit show

They will probably allow him to post updates to his scam social media network from the joint.  Probably have McD's delivered four times a day, every day.

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