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1 minute ago, Red Five said:

"Fiery Trump calls Harris a racial slur. Will she be able to fire back before November?" 

"Trump claims Kamala is a 'monkey'. She has 55 days to prove him wrong."

 

1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:


Fuck everyone in your second paragraph. They’re lost, make no attempt to target them.

But there are a LOT of people who still don’t really know who Kamala is. People who would never in a million years think to tune into a political convention, people who have never heard of Tim Walz or JD Vance, but will make an effort to watch tonight and will be presented with their two voting options side-by-side for the first time. First impressions matter, and it will be Kamala’s one chance to convince the normies that she could be President.

I’d pretty passionately argue that tonight is the single most important night between now and November.

Your head is in a better place than mine. I generally agree with you, with the assumption that undecideds that tune in will genuinely listen and form their opinion. I'm not holding my breath that these people still exist at a number that is significant enough. I hope you're right though. 

 

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1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:


Fuck everyone in your second paragraph. They’re lost, make no attempt to target them.

But there are a LOT of people who still don’t really know who Kamala is. People who would never in a million years think to tune into a political convention, people who have never heard of Tim Walz or JD Vance, but will make an effort to watch tonight and will be presented with their two voting options side-by-side for the first time. First impressions matter, and it will be Kamala’s one chance to convince the normies that she could be President.

I’d pretty passionately argue that tonight is the single most important night between now and November.

I agree. For Harris the campaign is only 107 days. As Marcie Wheeler pointed out, we're only on Day 51. Only 48% of her total days to campaign have passed, and voters just now tuning in will have more than double the time we've already had to get to know her. Voters already know who the other guy is.

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Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

Your head is in a better place than mine. I generally agree with you, with the assumption that undecideds that tune in will genuinely listen and form their opinion. I'm not holding my breath that these people still exist at a number that is significant enough. I hope you're right though. 

 

And to be clear, my post isn't necessarily meant to be an optimistic one.  I think there is definitely a lot of downside to a not stellar performance by Kamala.  But as I said earlier, I think we will have a clearer view of where this is all headed after tonight... and the opportunity for good news is definitely there.

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4 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

there are countless little cities across america whose sole economy is welfare checks. once you leave urban areas and head interior the landscape is pretty bleak.

Oh, there's no doubt. If you head to western Virginia, on the west side of I-81 towards the WV state line, it's like the land that time forgot. Literally just unemployed people milling about the one Dollar General. It's freaky.

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2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

If Trump lies, don't give it air by pointing it out or trying to debunk it. Let your surrogates handle that on TV afterwards.

No one pays attention to post debate discussions.  Most people won’t even make it through the entire debate.

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1 minute ago, G650 said:

Oh, there's no doubt. If you head to western Virginia, on the west side of I-81 towards the WV state line, it's like the land that time forgot. Literally just unemployed people milling about the one Dollar General. It's freaky.

but notice since the makeup of most of those towns is the right shade of pale no one bitches and moans about those loafers and moochers. I think this country could benefit a lot from universal basic income - we already have it in many other forms that are way, way more expensive and less efficient. I acknowledge there are simply people who have no bootstraps to pull up. we're better off as a society to provide a minimum for basic comforts. it's already the norm to large swaths of the country - let's remove the stigma and make it popular. hell, there's a new animated series that makes fun of that very idea.

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Posted
19 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Sadly, the election is close enough that tonight’s debate could be a determining factor.

Trump’s winning strategy: his advantage is that the bar for his performance is extremely low.  Winning for him means clearing that low bar (I.e. don’t pull a McConnell freeze moment and don’t say the n word) while hoping Kamala doesn’t clear her much high bar (or goading her into doing something that turns off moderates/never-Trumpers/swing voters, or quells her base’s energy).

Harris’ winning strategy: her advantage is that she is clearly the more qualified candidate and has all of the momentum.  She needs to use the opportunity to highlight that disparity between her and Trump while destroying any notion that she is an extremist.  Her message needs to be one of stability, moderation, and hope.  Any progressive ideas need to be presented as complete common sense and highlight that any objection to them is evil/wierd.  She must avoid misspeaking or losing her train of thought at any point.  A Rick Perry “oops” moment would be fucked.

Y'all have lost your minds. Have you seen Trump? Have you seen Trump in a room with people who he thinks are beneath him? There is no doubt in my mind he is going to lose his shit. Just go back to the black journalist interview. Trump insults black people 4 times in about 3 minutes. He cannot help himself, and when Harris doesn't bow to him it's coming out. I don't know what IT will be but he is going to say something that will be extremely off-putting to women and or ethnic people. His cult will love it but the rest of America will not. All Harris needs to do is not back down and Trump will do the rest. Harris seems to understand the assignment. Remember she is a legit lawyer. She has been trained for this. I think you guys are forgetting that. Triggering a response is something she spent years doing.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 I am banking on 2 years of snow/cold and my wife will be ready to go.

Ha!

When I first got married, my wife told me she never wanted to live anywhere colder than "here".   She's a Florida girl and we live in S. Florida.  I think she's coming around, this summer has been brutally hot.

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1 hour ago, G650 said:

Dude the property is crazy cheap. You could retire there easier than any of these places.

Feel free to tell me about your citizenship/passport solution, sir. But my wife won't leave our kiddo that far behind. 

56 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

To be honest we've been looking abroad. There are a lot of places that will basically give you property if you base your business there. Italy is one of them. However, my daughter is a type 1 diabetic or we would be out of here. My wife loves the idea of moving abroad but is terrified to go that far away in case of complications. After the kid got a D1 scholly for vball the wife started looking in the area. Looks like we will be buying property in the NE. We may buy something and hang out for the 1st couple years. Then bounce when she is a Jr and leave her the house.

See above. I'm in the same boat with my wife. 

30 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

There are some pretty places in WV where one could live high on the hog for the rest of my life with little effort.......but not my black ass! There ain't no way I am rolling the dice with the Hatfields being the people I have to lean on.

That's why I need them to die, so normal people can move back in there, my man. 

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Posted
48 minutes ago, texasdago said:

Sadly true.  There is so much footage of him getting the craziest most insane stuff and the news will pick the one sane clip.  Baffling.  

They are calling it “sanewashing”.   She needs to leverage the “They are out of their mind” from the convention speech into this debate.  Would love to see that. 
 

My hope is that she is like fucking Ali rope a doping him with greyrocking, peppering him with little jabs at his ability to do the job then at 10:30 eastern when he is tired, fucking knock his ass out.  Like really walk over there and knock his ass out. 

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Man it just feels so weird

But if she can move the needle a little with Haley voters to give em cover 

I hope they've hired the best analytics guys and hyper-precise voter information so they know the exact coordinates of these people and focus the Haley/Cheney campaigning to those and ONLY those potential voters.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Man it just feels so weird

But if she can move the needle a little with Haley voters to give em cover 

This is the political equivalent of shooting someone in the face.

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They are calling it “sanewashing”.   She needs to leverage the “They are out of their mind” from the convention speech into this debate.  Would love to see that. 
 
My hope is that she is like fucking Ali rope a doping him with greyrocking, peppering him with little jabs at his ability to do the job then at 10:30 eastern when he is tired, fucking knock his ass out.  Like really walk over there and knock his ass out. 

How about “America is sick of the hate, sick of the lies, sick of the felonies…. America is sick of you.”

Stuff like that.
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21 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

My hope is that she is like fucking Ali rope a doping him with greyrocking, peppering him with little jabs at his ability to do the job then at 10:30 eastern when he is tired, fucking knock his ass out.  Like really walk over there and knock his ass out. 

i think she can win by TKO if she can bait Trump into walking off the stage midway through.  it's possible.  she knows how to push his buttons.  fuck policy.  remind the American people that Trump is a failed businessman.  he's a con-man.  question his intelligence.  "He loves to tell you about his uncle at MIT to make you think he's smart.  But Mr. Trump is not a smart man."  discuss how old Trump is and how he forgets people and events.  talk about the crowd sizes.  "We had 2, 3, even 4 times the size crowds that Mr. Trump had in the same building."  play off of Obama's size joke.  "Mr. Trump wants to remind you that he's taller than me.  But really, he's a very small man." and do the hand thing.

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and refer to Trump as weird, and give examples.

Trump will be so pissed he'll just take his ball and go home. and that will be a win by TKO.

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36 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

We were looking on zillow and you can buy a whole house in the town where my daughter is headed for school for under 100k and it isn't in terrible shape. Wild! Pay cash. Fix it up. Have her rent out a couple rooms to pay the utilities. She can rent it out through graduate school, sell, then use that as a DP for her real house. Generational wealth and all that. I am banking on 2 years of snow/cold and my wife will be ready to go.

Detroit?

I was surprised how many houses in Detroit are for sale under $50K.

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I don't think people who are still undecided are the type of people who watch debates. The vast majority of them probably don't even know it's happening and likely aren't even sure when the election will be held. Anyone who doesn't know the difference between these two by now are just not paying attention including that their social media doesn't feed them political information or they just scroll through anything related to the news. I still hope she mops the floor with him so that he cries himself to sleep.

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Do we not have a boring real estate thread or something? 

We have an exciting, electric real estate thread, but no, not a boring one. 

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

I don't think people who are still undecided are the type of people who watch debates. The vast majority of them probably don't even know it's happening and likely aren't even sure when the election will be held. Anyone who doesn't know the difference between these two by now are just not paying attention including that their social media doesn't feed them political information or they just scroll through anything related to the news. I still hope she mops the floor with him so that he cries himself to sleep.

I bet there’s .5-.75% that does, and that will matter. 

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1 minute ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Aside from real estate discussion:

 

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Is he uh, under the impression that the federal government shut down would stop democrats doing ANYTHING with voter registrations, which are run entirely by the individual states.

Literally, this motherfucker doesn't even understand the fucking most basic shit a 7th grade history student learns. It's un fucking believable. 

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29 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I hope they've hired the best analytics guys and hyper-precise voter information so they know the exact coordinates of these people and focus the Haley/Cheney campaigning to those and ONLY those potential voters.

When Cheney came out for Harris I thought “nobody gives a shit what a traditional Republican house Rep from Wyoming thinks besides Democrats.”  That said, people like Adam Kinzinger seem to think it’s a big deal so I guess I’ll go with it.  
 

I’ve tried to search my mind for a Republican that is both popular and not for Trump and can’t think of any now that GHWB and McCain have passed away.  

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30 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

How do you know that’s not a normal bottle and a very small person?

“Nah baby. It’s big. You just have small hands….”

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3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Is he uh, under the impression that the federal government shut down would stop democrats doing ANYTHING with voter registrations, which are run entirely by the individual states.

Literally, this motherfucker doesn't even understand the fucking most basic shit a 7th grade history student learns. It's un fucking believable. 

Don’t act so surprised. We already know he doesn’t know shit 

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Just now, LCHorn said:

When Cheney came out for Harris I thought “nobody gives a shit what a traditional Republican house Rep from Wyoming thinks besides Democrats.”  That said, people like Adam Kinzinger seem to think it’s a big deal so I guess I’ll go with it.  
 

I’ve tried to search my mind for a Republican that is both popular and not for Trump and can’t think of any now that GHWB and McCain have passed away.  

The best you'll find are lukewarm Trump-agnostic career politicians with strong regional name recognition like Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, and Larry Hogan. They don't quite oppose Trump the way Kinziger and Cheney have, but they're not kissing his ass either.

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Just now, austingirl said:

The fuck is he talking about?

The media is taking that one poll from the NYT as absolute gospel. You know, the one that was R+3 in the sample and had rural voters at almost 40% of the electorate lol

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Posted
2 hours ago, G650 said:

I've always felt Scrooge was an underutilized gif.

 

I'm actually closing on a house and moving in town in a week and a half, so my ass isn't going anywhere for quite some time unfortunately.

I mean, on the water. With a dock and stuff.

There's a 5 acre lot on the water (Puget Sound) for 495k about a nile down the road from me.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Womp, womp.

 

He's not entirely wrong. I don't agree that her losing is a given, but I do agree that there's a reason why she has been losing momentum and the biggest reason is she moved too far to the right (foolishly thinking she could pick up votes from the center).

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It’s not that Harris should be out there talking about police abolition, but there is a middle ground that has been abandoned. There is considerable risk that Democrats might ultimately feel resentful that they united to push Biden out of the race only to see him replaced by someone running to the right of John Kerry. As Perry Bacon Jr. wrote recently, “Everyone on the left is unlikely to sit quietly while the Democratic presidential candidate moves right.” The decision to exclude a Palestinian speaker from the DNC, for example, only reinforced the perception that the Harris campaign has decided to treat the party’s left flank as an adversary rather than an ally. Unsurprisingly, Harris’ numbers among young voters have slipped over the past month without any offsetting gains with 2020 Trump voters or independents.

On immigration

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The Harris campaign’s searing rhetoric about immigration also leaves the U.S. with two major parties that seem to want to do the same thing: close the border and deport as many people as possible who have immigrated illegally. Judging from campaign talking points, the parties differ only in how humanely they plan to achieve these goals. The new Harris–Walz issue page gestures at comprehensive immigration reform, but it reads like an afterthought. The section consists mostly of a promise to sign the scuttled 2024 bipartisan border-security bill, which itself was a near-total capitulation for Democrats. This strategy also leaves Harris and down-ballot Democrats bereft of a positive policy agenda about the issue or the ability to explain immigration’s many benefits—that it is crucial to the economy, gives the U.S. a huge advantage over competitors, and is vital to maintaining the kind of age balance in the population that our peer countries are struggling with.

On messaging

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It’s OK for her to walk back or fine-tune some positions she adopted in 2019. That’s politics. But her ballyhooed CNN interview with Dana Bash showcased a candidate who wasn’t willing to even narrate the shift in her thinking on issues like fracking. She could have said, “I remain committed to moving away from dependence on fossil fuels, but after listening to Pennsylvanians as vice president, I became convinced that fracking has to remain part of our energy portfolio for the foreseeable future.” That would be much more convincing than saying, repeatedly, “My values haven’t changed.”

I agree she needs to purge the losers from her campaign team

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One source of change is freely available: Harris could jettison some of the overcautious, out-of-touch campaign staffers that she inherited from the abysmal Biden reelection campaign and replace them with outside-the-box thinkers committed to a bolder vision. After all, Tuesday night’s debate might be one of Harris’ last opportunities to regain her momentum by tapping into Americans’ desire for a new direction. If not, the “context of all in which you live and what came before you” will forever include another four years of Donald Trump.

 

Shitty headline but I guess Slate wants to clickbait people.

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5 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

He's not entirely wrong. I don't agree that her losing is a given, but I do agree that there's a reason why she has been losing momentum and the biggest reason is she moved too far to the right (foolishly thinking she could pick up votes from the center).

On immigration

On messaging

I agree she needs to purge the losers from her campaign team

 

Shitty headline but I guess Slate wants to clickbait people.

The for profit media complex is exhausting.

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36 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Womp, womp.

 

Weird, it says left, but I think they must have hired MC Fresh Breath to be editor.

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31 minutes ago, austingirl said:

The fuck is he talking about?

I've read the article it's shit. He's just pandering to the far, far left and not reality. 

21 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

He's not entirely wrong. I don't agree that her losing is a given, but I do agree that there's a reason why she has been losing momentum and the biggest reason is she moved too far to the right (foolishly thinking she could pick up votes from the center).

On immigration

On messaging

I agree she needs to purge the losers from her campaign team

 

Shitty headline but I guess Slate wants to clickbait people.

See? 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

We have an exciting, electric real estate thread, but no, not a boring one. 

I bet there’s .5-.75% that does, and that will matter. 

That's how people usually describe the real estate business.

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