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https://www.404media.co/republicans-try-to-cram-ban-on-ai-regulation-into-budget-reconciliation-bill/

 

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“...no State or political subdivision thereof may enforce any law or regulation regulating artificial intelligence models, artificial intelligence systems, or automated decision systems during the 10 year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act,” says the text of the bill introduced Sunday night by Congressman Brett Guthrie of Kentucky, Chairman of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. The text of the bill will be considered by the House at the budget reconciliation markup on May 13.

 

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15 minutes ago, MrBig said:

So I guess VY’s 4th and 5 run is just gonna be wiped off the face of the Earth now? 

No. 
But the resulting hard on if videoed, photographed, drawn, traced, spoken of, podcasted about, mimed, written about, or creatively danced in appreciation of would all be illegal.

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10 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

No. 
But the resulting hard on if videoed, photographed, drawn, traced, spoken of, podcasted about, mimed, written about, or creatively danced in appreciation of would all be illegal.

Erotically specific. Go on...

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10 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Benjamin Wittes is a jewel. 
 

 

How is Pam Bondi, an attorney formerly (assumption that it’s formerly, it would not shock me if it’s currently) on the payroll of the Qatari government writing opinions on the legality of accepting a 747-8i as a gift not a conflict of interest? We keep being told that the legal profession isn’t in any sort of ethical crisis and they police themselves.

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17 hours ago, bolverk said:

 

I also recall that in early January 2020, Xi had warned him in a phone call that it would be a monster.

And to further 68's point, here's a timeline of Mr. It-Will-Magically-Disappear-By-Easter’s bullshit, leading up to that first precipitous drop in the market:

May 2018

The Trump Administration disbands the White House pandemic response team.

July 2019

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency left the post, and the Trump Administration eliminated the role.

Oct. 2019

“Currently, there are insufficient funding sources designated for the federal government to use in response to a severe influenza pandemic.”

Jan. 22, 2020

“We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

Jan. 24, 2020

Trump praises China’s handling of the coronavirus: “China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

Jan. 28, 2020

“This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency...This is going to be the roughest thing you face." Trump’s National Security Advisor says to Trump.

Jan. 30, 2020

"The lack of immune protection or an existing cure or vaccine would leave Americans defenseless in the case of a full-blown coronavirus outbreak on US soil,...This lack of protection elevates the risk of the coronavirus evolving into a full-blown pandemic, imperiling the lives of millions of Americans.” [Memo from Trump Trade Advisor Peter Navarro]

Feb. 2, 2020

“We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

Feb. 7, 2020

“It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flu... This is deadly stuff.” [Trump in a private interview with Bob Woodward from The Washington Post made public on Sept. 9, 2020]

Feb. 10, 2020

“I think the virus is going to be—it’s going to be fine.”

Feb. 10, 2020

“Looks like by April, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”

Feb. 24, 2020

“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… the Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

Feb. 25, 2020

“CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

Feb. 25, 2020

“I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

Feb. 26, 2020

“The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

Feb. 26, 2020

“We're going very substantially down, not up.”

Feb. 26, 2020

“Well, we're testing everybody that we need to test. And we're finding very little problem. Very little problem.”

Feb. 26, 2020

"This is a flu. This is like a flu."

Feb. 27, 2020

“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Feb. 27, 2020

“The ineptness with which the Trump Administration approached this problem is not only serious, it can be deadly if not changed in the approach.” – Rep. Lloyd Doggett [During a hearing, Rep. Doggett questions HHS Sec. Azar on Trump's refusal to take this virus seriously, warning about mask and test shortages.]

Feb. 28, 2020

“We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

March 2, 2020

“You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?” [Trump to health officials who answered "No."]

March 2, 2020

“A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 4, 2020

“Now, and this is just my hunch, and — but based on a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this. Because a lot people will have this and it's very mild.”

March 4, 2020

“If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5, 2020

“I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 5, 2020

“The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6, 2020

“I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 6, 2020

“You have to be calm. It’ll go away.”

March 6, 2020

“Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6, 2020

“I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

March 6, 2020

“I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

March 7, 2020

“No, I’m not concerned at all.

March 8, 2020

“We have a perfectly coordinated and fine-tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

Holy shit and spot on.

Of course MAGATS will call it fake news by the liberal media 

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He told Woodward that he knew covid was airborne spread in Feb of 2020. He said he told Americans “i dont know how its spread” for the first few months because he didnt want people to panic. Instead, a couple million people died

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5 minutes ago, royiv said:

How is Pam Bondi, an attorney formerly (assumption that it’s formerly, it would not shock me if it’s currently) on the payroll of the Qatari government writing opinions on the legality of accepting a 747-8i as a gift not a conflict of interest? We keep being told that the legal profession isn’t in any sort of ethical crisis and they police themselves.

The AG doesn't really have any business doing that in the first place, because the AG doesn't represent the President, or really even the Office of the President.  All that other shit aside.

That's a job for OLC and White House counsel, the OLC providing guidance to the executive branch generally, and White House counsel advocating for the President specifically.

All DOJ, but traditionally with different responsibilities and "clients."

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3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The AG doesn't really have any business doing that in the first place, because the AG doesn't represent the President, or really even the Office of the President.  All that other shit aside.

That's a job for OLC and White House counsel, the OLC providing guidance to the executive branch generally, and White House counsel advocating for the President specifically.

All DOJ, but traditionally with different responsibilities and "clients."

Things are not okay and this is the sort of bullshit that reflects poorly on the entire legal profession. Why are we not hearing from lawyers up in arms that their profession is being trashed by bad actors all over the place in this regime? Instead we see firms bending the knee. 

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15 minutes ago, royiv said:

Things are not okay and this is the sort of bullshit that reflects poorly on the entire legal profession. Why are we not hearing from lawyers up in arms that their profession is being trashed by bad actors all over the place in this regime? Instead we see firms bending the knee. 

And we have others not bending the knee and calling this for what it is.

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21 minutes ago, royiv said:

Things are not okay and this is the sort of bullshit that reflects poorly on the entire legal profession. Why are we not hearing from lawyers up in arms that their profession is being trashed by bad actors all over the place in this regime? Instead we see firms bending the knee. 

The problem isn’t that she’s a lawyer it’s that she’s a trump cunt. It’s not unique to any profession. Everyone working for this regime is corrupt in their own field.

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31 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The AG doesn't really have any business doing that in the first place, because the AG doesn't represent the President, or really even the Office of the President.  All that other shit aside.

That's a job for OLC and White House counsel, the OLC providing guidance to the executive branch generally, and White House counsel advocating for the President specifically.

All DOJ, but traditionally with different responsibilities and "clients."

In Oklahoma the governor or a member of the state legislature can ask the AG for an opinion which is not binding but informative and persuasive. Is there a similar procedure at the fed level? Reminds me of when Bush got a memo that torture was totally cool and legal. Just asking procedurally. Substantively it doesn’t matter it’s all just absurdity and corruption. 

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4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

The problem isn’t that she’s a lawyer it’s that she’s a trump cunt. It’s not unique to any profession. Everyone working for this regime is corrupt in their own field.

But we have lawyers on this board who will die on the hill that they self police their profession. So if a Trump cunt, who also happens to be a lawyer, is issuing legal opinions out of a conflict of interest, the profession should be taking care of that problem amongst themselves, but here we are.

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15 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

You gotta know Trump wanted them to give it to him personally.  The Emir or Sheikh or whoever probably said, you know we can't do that, we have to give it to your government, and Trump was like, "OK, but I want it after."

And you have to bet he didn't even think of the shit they'll have to do to it to make it AF1 capable. We're talking 10s of millions of dollars, if not more. I'm sure if it was up to him, he'd just take it as-is and not worry about any security issues/flaws. He's that fucking stupid.

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53 minutes ago, royiv said:

How is Pam Bondi, an attorney formerly (assumption that it’s formerly, it would not shock me if it’s currently) on the payroll of the Qatari government writing opinions on the legality of accepting a 747-8i as a gift not a conflict of interest? We keep being told that the legal profession isn’t in any sort of ethical crisis and they police themselves.

I'd be shocked if it's not "currently." 

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I'm not sure most people, and especially dotard, know what it takes to make a top secret aircraft (or anything, for that matter). The AF1(s) Boeing are working on require a level of scrutiny only outdone by NASA. I've known designers that work at Lockheed Martin who were married and working on different parts of the F35 and could not talk to each other about what they were working on. They get to the know the extent of their part and that is it. There's a reason these planes last as long as they do. They are literally the most exceptional vehicles on the planet. They're made to basically never fail. That takes a lot of effort and time and extreme scrutiny. Glad they won't be ready for this POS

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9 minutes ago, C-Man said:

And you have to bet he didn't even think of the shit they'll have to do to it to make it AF1 capable. We're talking 10s of millions of dollars, if not more. I'm sure if it was up to him, he'd just take it as-is and not worry about any security issues/flaws. He's that fucking stupid.

I'm sure the slimeball has thought about how to profit bigly from the retrofit. He's certainly got some epic graft planned for that project and planning on selling the classified technology in the plane after it's conveyed to his library. 

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45 minutes ago, royiv said:

Things are not okay and this is the sort of bullshit that reflects poorly on the entire legal profession. Why are we not hearing from lawyers up in arms that their profession is being trashed by bad actors all over the place in this regime? Instead we see firms bending the knee. 

A lot of us are up in arms about the whole country being trashed by bad actors all over the place in this regime. And we post about it here, in this very thread even. 

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1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

This dude is an absolute dipshit. Imagine how gotdamned stupid you have to be to worship this cumstain.

 

There's no chance trump has any idea how to define "neurotic." I'd wager he thinks it has something to do with thinking about porn. 

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35 minutes ago, 'stache said:

In Oklahoma the governor or a member of the state legislature can ask the AG for an opinion which is not binding but informative and persuasive. Is there a similar procedure at the fed level? Reminds me of when Bush got a memo that torture was totally cool and legal. Just asking procedurally. Substantively it doesn’t matter it’s all just absurdity and corruption. 

As I said, the White House counsel advises the President directly, while the OLC advises the executive branch more generally, and neutrally, and its advice is more or less binding on the entire branch.

So, analagous to your scenario, I think OLC would generate binding guidance based on advocacy and a request from White House counsel.

The torture memos were a product of OLC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_Memos  Apparently drafted in response to requests from CIA.

It's all the DOJ, so to some degree or other answerable to the AG and in turn the President, but previously, the division of responsibility at least maintained an illusion of sanity, which is now gone.

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18 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

A lot of us are up in arms about the whole country being trashed by bad actors all over the place in this regime. And we post about it here, in this very thread even. 

You’re right, posting on Surly is an effective form of resistance. What starts here changes the world and all that. 

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1 minute ago, royiv said:

You’re right, posting on Surly is an effective form of resistance. What starts here changes the world and all that. 

"What's that?"

"You say what starts here changes absolutely nothing?"

"Oh."

"Ah well, nevertheless."

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Just now, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

why are you here then?

It’s a good place to let off steam, keep up with current events and commiserate with a community. 

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3 minutes ago, royiv said:

You’re right, posting on Surly is an effective form of resistance. What starts here changes the world and all that. 

This is what is frustrating for me as both a moderator and the owner. This place doesn't do shit except let a discussion happen. I would be fine if people used this place to organize legal activities to protest or otherwise resist, but just typing insane shit and wishing death etc is not only lame, but problematic 

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On 5/11/2025 at 3:50 PM, ABZ said:

I was thinking the chip, or "mark" if you will, could be provided by a new government organization called the Bureau of European Ancestry Substantiation and Tracking

How long  before they start using DNA to test a person's Aryan ties?  How many marriages would that fuck up with paternity tests?  

On 5/11/2025 at 6:34 PM, Derka said:

realistically, what does this mean?

 

this guy's need to take even correct words like right and blow them up into superwords or invent new definitions for words he has co-opted.  Bigly and rightful are just two examples.  

On 5/12/2025 at 9:54 AM, Brian Fantana said:

It's extremely unlikely that the Qatari plane ever becomes a true AF1...like @956 Worldwide said there is basically no way to thoroughly debug that plane. The new planes, should they actually be delivered when Boeing says they will, he will use.

There's no need to debug it.  Trump or someone is going to tell them what they want to hear anyway. 

On 5/12/2025 at 9:54 AM, HornPhD said:

Anyone who would pay $120k would certainly pay $150. 

tree-fiddy, and not a dime less!

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2 hours ago, royiv said:

Things are not okay and this is the sort of bullshit that reflects poorly on the entire legal profession. Why are we not hearing from lawyers up in arms that their profession is being trashed by bad actors all over the place in this regime? Instead we see firms bending the knee. 

I understand the frustration but I feel a bit the opposite these days on the legal profession.  The lawyers fighting for us are about the last line of defense we have.  Congress isn't doing it.  Most of us aren't doing anything.  Some of us are rightly scared out of our wits.  If they forcefully come for me I'm not one to respond with violence believe it or not.  I don't own a gun.  But there are lawyers being detained for fighting for their clients now.  I do contribute an honestly small amount to the Oregon ACLU with my bi-weekly paychecks these days. That and org called Oregon Wild who fight in the courts for things I care about (the main reason I moved to Oregon--its natural beauty).  Its not much but I'm trying to help where I can.

And I get the distinct impression the majority of Surly lawyers hate what is happening right now.  And I have seen plenty online vouching the same.  I don't have links and I will admit that my eyes at times glaze over with the terms I don't comprehend.  But I know they are out there doing their best to fight.

But I do get and empathize with the frustration of what is happening to our country.  I think Trump even being allowed to run a second time reflected poorly on all of us as a nation.  Not just one profession.  Just my thoughts.

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13 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

This is pretty awful.  I watched his video on it here (the part we'd be interested in starts about 7 minutes in):



Questions about liking Trump.  Questions about "supporting Hamas."  Questions that would seem to violate every free speech principle I was raised to believe in.  Detained for two hours until he asked if he was being detained.  Not to intimidate the rich streamer who can afford to fight it.  But to intimidate the rest of us who cannot.

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2 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

There's no chance trump has any idea how to define "neurotic." I'd wager he thinks it has something to do with thinking about porn. 

if that's the case then i'm the most neurotic mothefucker in the galaxy...

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3 hours ago, royiv said:

Things are not okay and this is the sort of bullshit that reflects poorly on the entire legal profession. Why are we not hearing from lawyers up in arms that their profession is being trashed by bad actors all over the place in this regime? Instead we see firms bending the knee. 

how many firms are there in America?

How many biglaw firms have bent the knee?

How many big law firms have lost partners and associates and clients because of bending the knee?

Your assumption that nobody is up in arms is simply false. 

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15 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

how many firms are there in America?

How many biglaw firms have bent the knee?

How many big law firms have lost partners and associates and clients because of bending the knee?

Your assumption that nobody is up in arms is simply false. 

Lol. The legal profession is in the garbage and you guys just keep telling us that you’re up in arms.

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13 minutes ago, royiv said:

Lol. The legal profession is in the garbage and you guys just keep telling us that you’re up in arms.

Feel The Bern Politics GIF by Bernie Sanders

Don't worry, the Strafford County Bar Association in New Hampshire is in the process of having Bondi removed as Attorney General, because that's how it works. 

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