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Mary is flat bringing the truth here. Not all, to be sure.  There are people too ignorant and gullible to get out of the bubble of self-selected facts.    I know several non-horrible (not racist or nativist) Republicans who have empathy for other people and are not hate fountains.  They live in all-MAGA families (and neighborhoods), and are people who place more value in not destroying relationship with those family/neighbors/church members than they do voting against Republicans and losing the societal acceptance that they feel they cannot live without.

We are a tribal species, and we sometimes forget how important that is to humans.  this does not excuse them or forgive them, rather, it explains the incongruous behavior.

But for elected Republican leaders - almost every one of them have no character and are finally happy to be able to say out loud the personal beliefs that they hold.

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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

As I was catching up, I was planning to mention that I thought Austin had switched from May to November municipal elections a few years ago, although I didn't realize there'd been opposition to it because it made complete sense to me at the time.

Intense opposition within the kingmaker class of Austin politics- the clubs, David Butts and his crowd, the ANC executive committee, that one guy who calls himself “Save Our Springs” while openly advocating for sprawl, various Eastside shakedown artists, etc. The roughly ~100 people who effective chose every member of the city council from 1994-2014.
That cartel relied on people not paying attention to local government and moving to November elections is how that cartel was broken.

 

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3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

That cartel relied on people not paying attention to local government and moving to November elections is how that cartel was broken

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:


It’s not a good reason but you can damn sure bet the other side plays these fuck-fuck games when it benefits them.

But it wasn’t about party or the other side. It’s oligarchy. Parties don’t mean anything and ideology is bullshit. Politics is about who, not what. 

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6 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I know several non-horrible (not racist or nativist) Republicans who have empathy for other people and are not hate fountains.  They live in all-MAGA families (and neighborhoods), and are people who place more value in not destroying relationship with those family/neighbors/church members than they do voting against Republicans and losing the societal acceptance that they feel they cannot live without.

I am unaware of any requirement to divulge one's vote to their friends and family.  One could even . . . lie.

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I am unaware of any requirement to divulge one's vote to their friends and family.  One could even . . . lie.

Sure.  But you may have noticed that the easier thing is to ignore facts that oppose your worldview and accept facts that confirm it.

I had a work colleague who was very Catholic and would use his lunch hours to go pray for his various deceased relatives.   I kept asking him how he could support the GOP doing all these bad things, and he literally looked me in the eye and said I have to support family values.

He was not being snarky.  He had simply fully adopted the bullshit party line from the 90s and felt comfortable ignoring any negative - as he viewed himself as a family values supporter - which allowed him to disregard any critical thinking about the policies the family values party was actually adopting.  He would probably be OK with concentration camps as long as there was no abortion going on at them.

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

SIAP but this pile of shit is abruptly cutting off NOAA’s access to DoD satellite data as of July 1 to forecasters who depend on it for accuracy and track forecasts. 

Taking the half glass full route, maybe this leads to a bunch of maga deaths in FL/TX/GA/MS/LA.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/deep-cuts-hurricane-data-leave-forecasters-dark-rcna215502

But will accuweather get it? Or whoever his butt buddy is?

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10 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

Taking the half glass full route, maybe this leads to a bunch of maga deaths in FL/TX/GA/MS/LA.

I’m a bit conflicted by this.  I’m hoping that smearing a really good étouffée over my door jam will cause God to skip my house.

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Mary is flat bringing the truth here. Not all, to be sure.  There are people too ignorant and gullible to get out of the bubble of self-selected facts.    I know several non-horrible (not racist or nativist) Republicans who have empathy for other people and are not hate fountains.  They live in all-MAGA families (and neighborhoods), and are people who place more value in not destroying relationship with those family/neighbors/church members than they do voting against Republicans and losing the societal acceptance that they feel they cannot live without.
We are a tribal species, and we sometimes forget how important that is to humans.  this does not excuse them or forgive them, rather, it explains the incongruous behavior.
But for elected Republican leaders - almost every one of them have no character and are finally happy to be able to say out loud the personal beliefs that they hold.
This.

I have two former coworkers (I'm a teacher). Both boomers. Both claim to be "he's not perfect, but..." category of Trump voter. One was always a white supremacist in hiding and the other wants to be a decent person. The former has embraced taking off the mask and the latter doesn't want to leave her community, so she's accepted a lot of what coworker 1 promotes. Both are equally lost, but for very different reasons.
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12 minutes ago, tchookem said:

Both claim to be "he's not perfect, but..." category of Trump voter.

I know a bunch of those. Funny how there is always a reason, going back to 2016, why they just had to vote for him. I'm sure when he runs in 2028 they'll find a reason why they yet again have to vote for him, even though he's running on a platform of becoming king, and turning the presidency over to his son when he croaks. Because Mayor Pete once said something they don't like. 

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I know a bunch of those. Funny how there is always a reason, going back to 2016, why they just had to vote for him. I'm sure when he runs in 2028 they'll find a reason why they yet again have to vote for him, even though he's running on a platform of becoming king, and turning the presidency over to his son when he croaks. Because Mayor Pete once said something they don't like. 
Yeah, it's always show bullshit that actual boils down "I just can't bring myself to vote Democrat". It's so ingrained in how they perceive themselves they cannot change. The irony is, I've changed my voting habits, but I'm the one that plays identity politics.
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19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Cool.  You know what that makes them?  Awful, garbage, evil people.

If you go along with evil because of self-interest vs. true belief, that is NOT a lesser evil.  Shit, it may be greater, because you fucking know better and STILL support it.

Nope.  Sorry

For some, sure. But I think you are perhaps biased due to your education, intellect, and that handy (or cursed) thing of having a photographic memory.

You seem to reject the possibility that there are just a bunch of dim goobers who go through life not looking at anything political, not knowing any current events, not having any idea of civics, who literally have no idea what the hell is going on in the world and who vastly prefer it that way.

And more importantly, these people have absolutely no intention of changing their behavior.    

Just like it is unwise to conclude malice when simple negligence or stupidity is at fault, I think it unwise to always attribute the worst personal characteristics of people when it can truly be said that they are so ignorant and uninterested in all things politics that they are only vaguely aware of the things intelligent, motivated, well-read, watch the news daily people are aware.

That latter condition certainly does not give them a pass, but it does not make them inherently evil either.

our current crop of GOP politicians? I agree with you 100%.

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2 hours ago, tchookem said:

This.

I have two former coworkers (I'm a teacher). Both boomers. Both claim to be "he's not perfect, but..." category of Trump voter. One was always a white supremacist in hiding and the other wants to be a decent person. The former has embraced taking off the mask and the latter doesn't want to leave her community, so she's accepted a lot of what coworker 1 promotes. Both are equally lost, but for very different reasons.

Coworker 2 is also a white supremacist but is too much of a coward to admit it to herself. She doesn’t think she’s a racist, she just thinks it’s true that black and brown people are more likely to be criminals than white people.

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2 hours ago, Red Five said:

I know a bunch of those. Funny how there is always a reason, going back to 2016, why they just had to vote for him. I'm sure when he runs in 2028 they'll find a reason why they yet again have to vote for him, even though he's running on a platform of becoming king, and turning the presidency over to his son when he croaks. Because Mayor Pete once said something they don't like. 

Yeah. “I’m gay.” That’s what Pete said that they don’t like. 

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Coworker 2 is also a white supremacist but is too much of a coward to admit it to herself. She doesn’t think she’s a racist, she just thinks it’s true that black and brown people are more likely to be criminals than white people.
Coworker 1 doesn't think she's racist either. Candace Owen agrees with her after all.
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2 hours ago, Pancho said:

Fat Boy’s shitty ass bill will give new tax breaks to fucking coal?!?!

 

These people are proving their idiocy day after day

 

and a heavy tax on renewables 

 

texas would be wrecked without solar and wind 

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4 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

I said at some point that Abrego Garcia's indictment looked like it was entirely based on co-conspirator evidence.  Read that "jailhouse snitch" handsomely compensated by the government.

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8 hours ago, tchookem said:
8 hours ago, Red Five said:
I know a bunch of those. Funny how there is always a reason, going back to 2016, why they just had to vote for him. I'm sure when he runs in 2028 they'll find a reason why they yet again have to vote for him, even though he's running on a platform of becoming king, and turning the presidency over to his son when he croaks. Because Mayor Pete once said something they don't like. 

Yeah, it's always show bullshit that actual boils down "I just can't bring myself to vote Democrat". It's so ingrained in how they perceive themselves they cannot change. The irony is, I've changed my voting habits, but I'm the one that plays identity politics.

the idea goes that they can't vote for Democrats because they are crooks, black and meskins, while they vote for actual crooks, white, criming out front.  But because it's so obvious, somehow it's not bad.  The logic is bad but we try somehow to make sense because we're sane.  However, it's almost tied to the idea that if you weren't wrong, why would you be running from the law?  But if the criminals become the law, then they don't have to run needs to be an addendum to that idea.  Guess that's their transparency, which somehow sane washes it. 

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1 hour ago, Bullneck said:

 

I'd throw in medical research, faculty, and education as employment casualties as well.  I mean, how can any of these professions hire anybody but Anglo men for any position when DEI hiring is illegal?  And phfffth, thinking that we needed educated professionals to do these jobs--we just need yes men... and payments.  

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8 hours ago, Pancho said:

Fat Boy’s shitty ass bill will give new tax breaks to fucking coal?!?!

 

These people are proving their idiocy day after day

 

 

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