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4 minutes ago, Tuco said:

 

When Iraq had it's first vote and had something like 98% participation rate, so many people compared it to America's dismal participation rate.  But, in Iraq, whether your side won affected whether your people got jobs or were persecuted by police.  Iraqi elections could literally be life or death for your clan.  That wasn't the case in the US.  So much of how the government operated was apolitical.  You didn't have Presidents denying FEMA or SNAP based on whether 55% of a state voted a certain way. You didn't have the government directing or canceling criminal investigations based on your clan.  Politics was more academic or philosophical or at least big-picture, slow burn shit.  The low participation rate reflected stability.  

That has changed.  

Don't get me wrong.  I've been political all my life and have always found it important.  The philosophy and slow burn shit is important. But I've knocked on enough doors to recognize it's not always easy to explain the importance when there aren't immediate, tangible consequences.  

A LOT of Americans view politics through the perspective of Trip here.  Too bad not enough of us come to the conclusion he comes to at the end.

 

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He has to know that the next president is going to get rid of all this shit. It would be really embarrassing to have the name of a twice impeached convicted felon and rapist all over the place. 

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12 minutes ago, Red Five said:

He has to know that the next president is going to get rid of all this shit.

I hope to God we do get rid of all that shit!

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17 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

That was quick.

Hopefully, the only reason it’s being done this quickly is so he can see it before he dies. On the other hand, it would be great if he would stay alive long enough to see it get removed. 

I don’t know which one I want to have happen more.

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1 minute ago, HornPhD said:

Hopefully, the only reason it’s being done this quickly is so he can see it before he dies. On the other hand, it would be great if he would stay alive long enough to see it get removed. 

I don’t know which one I want to have happen more.

Are you saying if you had the choice of him dying tomorrow, or dying in January of 2029, you don't know which you would prefer?

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Just now, Red Five said:

Are you saying if you had the choice of him dying tomorrow, or dying in January of 2029, you don't know which you would prefer?

I definitely lean towards tomorrow; however, I would like for him to experience his world falling apart. 

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29 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

That was quick.

Because this is where his priorities lie.

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8 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Are you saying if you had the choice of him dying tomorrow, or dying in January of 2029, you don't know which you would prefer?

I prefer it be at a later date and in prison, if we live that long.  

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

apropos of nothing, but growing up as an xenennial, we were an apolitical generation. we weren’t taught about government or politics, we didn’t give a shit about government or politics, presidents changed but life never did, and you truly had to go out of your way to learn or know anything about politics.

that’s why it has been so indescribably strange for me, as a man now in his 40’s, to have spent the past year+ learning that not only is the usa not this shining beacon of freedom and equality where anyone can prosper, the dream of every other nation; but i’ve now come to learn that, essentially, israel is a weak, tiny, ambitious bully, and that the United States is just the giant, mentally stunted, emotionally retarded bully who threatens to/actually does destroy anyone who tries to get in Israel’s way. what a bunch of bullshit this all turned out to be.

Well, hopefully you got a civics/government education at least so you knew how things were supposed to work.

The actual nuances of politics on the ground or as practiced are the subject of either experience or a political science type degree.

As far as I can tell from high school, all of the facts about America and its history were made available to me without much shading (America, fuck yeah or Amerikka, either).  But the negative things remained something of an abstraction to me and probably most of us until later in life.

I think that's just the nature of things.  Sometimes you need life experience to interpret it all.

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17 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

I prefer it be at a later date and in prison, if we live that long.  

That would be like 10 years from now. If not more. Also he's never going to prison. 

If we ever want to return to normalcy, step one has to happen first. I don't understand wanting to wait years and years for it. 

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2 hours ago, Mittens said:

We need to make killing nazis a thing again.

 

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I'm sure this "white boy" would not have lasted a day in a winter with men. Let's see how this boy matches up with Lieutenant Speirs.

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5 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

I will add that this is not legal.  Only Congress can change the name,

And who's going to stop him?  His administration has been routinely violating the law on numerous fronts (e.g., Hatch Act, anyone?).  Even if a court were to rule this is illegal, who's going to enforce that? (deportations while under court order to stand down, e.g.).

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2 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

His administration has been routinely violating the law on numerous fronts (e.g., Hatch Act, anyone?). 

The president openly accepting bribes is apparently now just something that happens. 

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17 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

I will add that this is not legal.  Only Congress can change the name,

who is going to stop him?

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10 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

And who's going to stop him?  His administration has been routinely violating the law on numerous fronts (e.g., Hatch Act, anyone?).  Even if a court were to rule this is illegal, who's going to enforce that? (deportations while under court order to stand down, e.g.).

When Trump shoots and kills someone on 5th Avenue, it will be tied up in the court for decades while they litigate if Presidents can do that.

Trump Smile GIFs | Tenor

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57 minutes ago, HornPhD said:

Hopefully, the only reason it’s being done this quickly is so he can see it before he dies. On the other hand, it would be great if he would stay alive long enough to see it get removed. 

I don’t know which one I want to have happen more.

My vote is for the John Milius special - a massive stroke that prevents him from talking or writing, but he can still hear and understand.  He just has to sit there and listen while his legacy is debated.  I believe that would be his customized hell and we could watch.  

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14 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Wish I could bet on which one is next: Trump Lincoln Memorial or Trump Washington Monument

Oh he's just getting started with this shit. The Trump Liberty Bell will probably get a fresh new gold paint job. And I have no doubt there's a 3-D printed Statue of MAGA featuring Trump he intends to erect in New York Harbor.

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12 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

Oh he's just getting started with this shit. The Trump Liberty Bell will probably get a fresh new gold paint job. And I have no doubt there's a 3-D printed Statue of MAGA featuring Trump he intends to erect in New York Harbor.

Just imagine the shit he's floated behind the scenes that we'll never know about. "The Trump White House", putting himself on Mount Rushmore, etc.

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It's like Trump changing the DoD to the dept of War. He has zero authority to do it but I doubt there is anything illegal about Hegseth calling himself the Secretary of War and changing the website to war.gov.

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3 hours ago, tx ind said:

Is that a dude?

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Good to see that Mitch from Real Genius is still with us

Yeah I immediately thought of him too.  I always thought he looked wayyyy too much like Sarah Jessica Parker. Looks like I'm not the only one. Come to think of it, I've never seen em in the same room, so ...

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1 hour ago, DDD Dad said:

And who's going to stop him?  His administration has been routinely violating the law on numerous fronts (e.g., Hatch Act, anyone?).  Even if a court were to rule this is illegal, who's going to enforce that? (deportations while under court order to stand down, e.g.).

This is also one of those weird sort of interstices in the law.  The legislation that created it called it the Kennedy Center.  But it didn't say the name couldn't be changed etc.

Of course, the pretty strong implication is that Congress created it and named it and therefore only Congress can uncreate it or change its name.

Even in the absence of a narcissistic megalomaniac naming it after himself, it's unclear who might have standing to challenge the name change.  Like, say the board decided to add the name of a deceased President, say, Jimmy Carter.  That would be tough to challenge I think, as neither Congress nor individual legislators often have standing to challenge actions in court.

The most obvious legal way to undo this is for Congress to pass an amendment to the existing legislation pronouncing the name to be The Kennedy Center For The Performing Arts and forbidding the Board or executive from changing it.

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1 hour ago, Goofyboy said:

Too many kids were taught govt / history by coaches that didn’t give two shits about either.

No doubt. My high school didn’t offer AP or honors world history, so our teacher was an assistant football coach. That was eye opening. I remember having to correct him several times during lectures. The guy was a fucking doofus. 

And then you realize: that’s very likely how most of school went for 50% of the population. Every day, half listening to some dumbass at best going through the motions and at worst authoritatively spewing misinformation.

No wonder we’re fucked. 

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

This is also one of those weird sort of interstices in the law.  The legislation that created it called it the Kennedy Center.  But it didn't say the name couldn't be changed etc.

Of course, the pretty strong implication is that Congress created it and named it and therefore only Congress can uncreate it or change its name.

Even in the absence of a narcissistic megalomaniac naming it after himself, it's unclear who might have standing to challenge the name change.  Like, say the board decided to add the name of a deceased President, say, Jimmy Carter.  That would be tough to challenge I think, as neither Congress nor individual legislators often have standing to challenge actions in court.

The most obvious legal way to undo this is for Congress to pass an amendment to the existing legislation pronouncing the name to be The Kennedy Center For The Performing Arts and forbidding the Board or executive from changing it.

 

Did you miss the post from yesterday where a board member stated the vote was not on the agenda and that she was muted on the Zoom call, so her opposition wasn't recorded?

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1 hour ago, Tuco said:

My vote is for the John Milius special - a massive stroke that prevents him from talking or writing, but he can still hear and understand.  He just has to sit there and listen while his legacy is debated.  I believe that would be his customized hell and we could watch.  

This is excellent.  Also, complete excretory incontinence.  So he just has to sit there and shit and piss himself.

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2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

That was quick.

It’s like someone worked all night to make the letters, not like they take months to make or anything. 
It will be a great day when all this shit is removed from Washington and those that allowed it are nowhere to be found. 

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13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

This is also one of those weird sort of interstices in the law.  The legislation that created it called it the Kennedy Center.  But it didn't say the name couldn't be changed etc.

Of course, the pretty strong implication is that Congress created it and named it and therefore only Congress can uncreate it or change its name.

Even in the absence of a narcissistic megalomaniac naming it after himself, it's unclear who might have standing to challenge the name change.  Like, say the board decided to add the name of a deceased President, say, Jimmy Carter.  That would be tough to challenge I think, as neither Congress nor individual legislators often have standing to challenge actions in court.

The most obvious legal way to undo this is for Congress to pass an amendment to the existing legislation pronouncing the name to be The Kennedy Center For The Performing Arts and forbidding the Board or executive from changing it.

It didn't say it could be changed, either.

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1 hour ago, pacman said:

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I'm sure this "white boy" would not have lasted a day in a winter with men. Let's see how this boy matches up with Lieutenant Speirs.

True but I think that's Doc Roe in your gif.

 

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22 hours ago, speed817 said:

 

I do not mean to imply that there was anything behind Trump's statement beyond the fact that Trump is a complete and total idiot who doesn't understand math.

I do mean to say that from a purely communications standpoint, Luttnick is on to something.

If prices were to go up from $100 to $1,000, we'd (correctly) say that prices have gone up 900%.  And in a world with the inflation we've seen over the past half-decade, people are pretty used to hearing that prices have gone up by high-double- or even triple-digit percentages.

But if prices go down from $1,000 to $100, that's just a 90% decrease.  Anybody with the least little bit of understanding of math understands that the 900% increase and the 90% decrease both denote a difference of $900.  But what percentage of the American people do you think have that least-little-bit level of mathematical knowledge?  50%?  Not a chance.  33%?  I mean, maybe if you're lucky.  It's probably less than 20%, if we're being realistic.  Remember that most Americans read at or below a sixth-grade level.

So purely from a communications standpoint, it makes sense to communicate it has a "700% decrease," even though that makes no sense at all as a mathematical proposition.  Because you're dealing with a nation populated by morons.

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19 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

This is also one of those weird sort of interstices in the law.  The legislation that created it called it the Kennedy Center.  But it didn't say the name couldn't be changed etc.

Of course, the pretty strong implication is that Congress created it and named it and therefore only Congress can uncreate it or change its name.

Even in the absence of a narcissistic megalomaniac naming it after himself, it's unclear who might have standing to challenge the name change.  Like, say the board decided to add the name of a deceased President, say, Jimmy Carter.  That would be tough to challenge I think, as neither Congress nor individual legislators often have standing to challenge actions in court.

The most obvious legal way to undo this is for Congress to pass an amendment to the existing legislation pronouncing the name to be The Kennedy Center For The Performing Arts and forbidding the Board or executive from changing it.

I would think then that later on when a president or Congress, or the board,  is ready, they can simply take down the signage etc and say the name was never properly changed, that it's the Kennedy Center, and that's that.

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Posted
2 hours ago, HornPhD said:

I definitely lean towards tomorrow; however, I would like for him to experience his world falling apart. 

I'm in camp tomorrow.  Only because yesterday isn't available anymore.

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4 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I do not mean to imply that there was anything behind Trump's statement beyond the fact that Trump is a complete and total idiot who doesn't understand math.

I do mean to say that from a purely communications standpoint, Luttnick is on to something.

If prices were to go up from $100 to $1,000, we'd (correctly) say that prices have gone up 900%.  And in a world with the inflation we've seen over the past half-decade, people are pretty used to hearing that prices have gone up by high-double- or even triple-digit percentages.

But if prices go down from $1,000 to $100, that's just a 90% decrease.  Anybody with the least little bit of understanding of math understands that the 900% increase and the 90% decrease both denote a difference of $900.  But what percentage of the American people do you think have that least-little-bit level of mathematical knowledge?  50%?  Not a chance.  33%?  I mean, maybe if you're lucky.  It's probably less than 20%, if we're being realistic.  Remember that most Americans read at or below a sixth-grade level.

So purely from a communications standpoint, it makes sense to communicate it has a "700% decrease," even though that makes no sense at all as a mathematical proposition.  Because you're dealing with a nation populated by morons.

when I was a young man, I operated heavy equipment for a few years.   

The outfit I worked for had a cat front-end loader, a 966.  It had one brake that had failed and there was no time to repair it, so the air line was capped and the machine continued to be operated with 3 working brakes.   Eventually, it was repaired.  I was the first to operate it after the repair.  At the end of the day, the owner of the company asked me how the brakes were working.  I replied "33% better than they worked yesterday".   He's like "WTF???   You mean 25% better!"  The argument lasted several minutes, and he was convinced that he was correct. 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Bojack said:

True but I think that's Doc Roe in your gif.

 

Yes, it certainly is..I see how that is confusing, was just using the gif to ensure my reference was understood.

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1 minute ago, HenryJames said:

Ll

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We all knew guys like Andrew in college.  The world was a better place when they were just weirdos behind a table on the west mall instead of driving public policy for the President. 

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