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54 minutes ago, Saint Tacky said:

Or out for a morning jog at 3:30 in the morning 

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Are they framing this as a money and budgetary issue when the Feds granted them money for a system in 2015 and again in 2021 ($5.1M)?

 

 

Don’t blame the local authorities for those federally-funded grant denials….that was the Texas Division of Emergency Management’s fault. 
I bet those sumbitches who did that are making themselves scarce.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/07/07/texas-flooding-kerr-county-flood-warning-money-denial/84499153007/

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11 minutes ago, Captainant said:

They were also given $5.4 million in 2021 - just dropped into their city bank account by the federal government for emergency preparation via ARPA, and they instead elected to build sidewalks and upgrade their cop, firefighter, and EMS radio system.

 

And found a couple million from their own budget, since the deal with Motorola was 7.5 million. 

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I’d like someone to directly ask former County Commissioner Moser why they dithered 6 months from the time Obama’s FEMA granted $100 million in cash aid in June, 2016  to help cleanup that area after the floodin.

Maybe I can find out something from my nephew who was on the Kerrville police force at the time (just before he retired in disgust).

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2 hours ago, Nigel Tufnel said:

We are 2-3 degrees of separation from 5 of the Camp Mystic kids and counselors.  Our friend, whose granddaughter is still unaccounted, for said that one of the things they have been prepped for is that many will be receiving letters from their daughters that were mailed out July 3.  Ugh.

Omggg 

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7 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

I’d like someone to directly ask former County Commissioner Moser why they dithered 6 months from the time Obama’s FEMA granted $100 million in cash aid in June, 2016  to help cleanup that area after the floodin.

 

Don't be dense, grandpa

You know exactly why.  They told you in the transcripts. 

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7 minutes ago, Tylerocks said:

As someone without kids, I am not handling this well, I can't imagine what those of you with kids are going through.

 

I hear you. I don’t have kids and I swing between distraught and rage. I can’t imagine how much that’s amped up for the parents around here. I’m having lunch on Thursday with a friend that had two sons rescued out of one of the cabins at La Junta that has been seen all over the news. I imagine that will be an emotional meal.

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Don't be dense, grandpa

You know exactly why.  They told you in the transcripts. 

No I don’t - I have not read every link here. 
It is difficult to keep up to speed with the rapid pace.

So I’ll bow out here and catch up when more info is available.

 

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21 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

No I don’t - I have not read every link here. 
It is difficult to keep up to speed with the rapid pace.

So I’ll bow out here and catch up when more info is available.

 

It’s because of the presidential administration change that took place in January 2017. 

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30 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

No I don’t - I have not read every link here. 
It is difficult to keep up to speed with the rapid pace.

So I’ll bow out here and catch up when more info is available.

 

Here are the relevant transcripts of the Kerr County Commissioners Court.

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Commissioners' Court Regular Session 06/27/16

COMMISSIONER BALDWIN:  You know we had a baby flood a couple weeks ago, a month or so, whatever it was.  And I keep hearing these reports of the old, old system, and I know we're not going to deal with that though.  Expect that to be gone where the Jones call the Smiths, and the Smiths call Camp Rio Vista, and Rio Vista blah, blah, blah, along down the line.  But it's still there and it still works.  The thought of our beautiful Kerr County having these damn sirens going off in the middle of night, I'm going to have to start drinking again to put up with y'all.

COMMISSIONER MOSER:  I think -- I think this and that's what the committee is going to look at and how to do it.  I think the going in position is that we don't need to change anything, and is there a need to improve what we have.  And if there's a need to improve how much is improved.  And what the options for doing that and what it would cost.  And I think the first thing to do is say why change anything.  It worked this long and maybe we don't need to do a thing.  And then it gets into the thing we talk about earlier today, and that's risk mitigation.  And you know there's still people drowned and you know --

COMMISSIONER BALDWIN:  And I hope you ask the question like who are we notifying, or who are we trying to get the message to?  Are they these crazy people from Houston that build homes right down on the water?

COMMISSIONER MOSER:  Well, I think the thing is you say it's for the general public and the crazy people from wherever they are, from Houston, okay, and then the camps, and then how do you get the message out to those, that's all part of it, so it's a pretty complex project.

COMMISSIONER BALDWIN:  I'm sure it is.

COMMISSIONER MOSER:  And the question is do we need to do anything.  And what do we want to do and what can we afford.

MRS. STEBBINS:  Commissioner Moser, will you put it on the next agenda for discussion after you have this meeting on Thursday?

COMMISSIONER MOSER:  Oh, absolutely, right.

MRS. STEBBINS:  Okay, thank you.

JUDGE POLLARD:  I would comment that we don't hardly have any crazy people that live here.  The few that we do have we handle them through CSU.

COMMISSIONER BALDWIN:  Or they serve on this board.

JUDGE POLLARD:  I'm just trying to keep us out of trouble here, okay.  The media's still here.  All right.  Any other reports?

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In 2016 Kerr County contracted for an engineering study on their current warning system and were told it was antiquated and inadequate. 

Commissioners' Court Regular Session 8/22/16

COMMISSIONER MOSER: We had at our steering committee meeting we invited also TxDOT to participate in that.  So the original engineer, and both of them as a matter of fact showed up at that meeting.  Their assessment was what existed today, and the Sheriff may want to comment on it, is antiquated and it's not reliable.  So we said okay with that, you know,  not just that, but we thought that there was a pretty ill-defined system that we have.  So the engineering study we thought would be appropriate.  If the result of the engineering study says that -- recommends that we enhance the system, okay, buying additional sensors, kind of like Comal County did.  Comal County spent a little over three hundred thousand dollars, where they had add 8 locations to monitor the rate of rise of the river and streams.

COMMISSIONER REEVES: And while I agree with Commissioner Letz, that if we have a system that's not working, we need to certainly look at that, technology is great, but still one of the best things, and you may disagree with me is the people up river calling. Because you're probably going to get a call.  I'vereceived just this year from calls before it's even had time for a warning to go off, I'm getting texts from Divide Fire Chief, and I think -- where'd the Sheriff go?  I sent you a text the other night, you may have got it too from him, but we're knowing probably before, and  I know with one flood that we had earlier in the year, by the time you got the warnings going off, it had been too late.  Because it was coming out of just some draws that took too long to get downstream.

COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I have one.  I'm going to vote no because of numerous reasons.  I think this whole thing is a little extravagant for Kerr County, and I see the word sirens and all that stuff in here.  And of course, you say that these are steps that will be taken through the years.  But that's where you're headed, there's no question in my mind that's where you're headed.  And you're determined to do that. But step one of taking these funds out of special projects, out of Road and Bridge, that ticks me off a little bit.

 Commissioners' Court Regular Session 10/24/16

Mr. Hewitt: Sirens did not seem to get very much support.  The thought was that sirens are better for tourists than local residents.  The sirens would only be beneficial for someone that's not familiar with the area, and wouldn't know what to do.

The second part of the study contained recommendations for updating the system and sirens were purposely left out even though other areas had implemented them.

Regular Commissioners' Court Agenda 01/09/17

Comal County has implemented a river guage and siren system that includes New Braunfels, Guadalupe County and the Water-Oriented Recreation District (WORD) as funding partners. When gauge heights reach a certain level, emergency management personnel are notified and the siren is automatically activated. Emergency personnel can also activiate the sirens remotely if they know flood water is headed downstream. The data from each gauge, including river height and rainfall, is avaiable online for anyone, including residents, to access.

The filed for federal assistance via a Hazard Mitigation Grant for 976k.

Commissioners' Court Regular Session 01/09/17 Discussing the recommended warning system

COMMISSIONER MOSER: The cost of that whole thing is going to be like 976 thousand dollars.  That's a lot of money.  All of it, and the reason we're here today and moving so quickly is that there is a FEMA grant that's available until as long as we apply by January the 20th.

JUDGE POLLARD:  Which is when President Obama goes out of office.

(Laughter.)

JUDGE POLLARD:  Well, the reason I mention that is because he authorized this particular thing, and it's going to --

MS. KIRBY:  It's a coincidence.

COMMISSIONER MOSER:  Going on the record with that it's a coincidence.  And so there has to be a presidential declaration of disaster to be able to have these kinds of funds available.  So it goes away just so happens to be when he leaves office.

 COMMISSIONER MOSER:    So we've talked about, you know one of the things we said sirens and we said we don't want sirens, too many many people said they did not want sirens when they had these -- when we had these gatherings.  Code Red, and I don't know if Dub wants to chime in on this, but Code Red is the same that's going to get information to a lot of people; not to everybody, okay.  One of the things that we'll do is identify a point of contact in all of  the camps, we won't communicate with everybody in the camp, but we have a point of contact at the camp so that they can disseminate people within -- to people within the camp, like during the summer when kids are there, or to RV parks.  Now, if the RV parks want to have a siren themself when something goes up that's up to them. That's not part of our thing.  So getting the information to the public is the end item of this whole thing. The first thing is sense a flood, then communicate that information to the local authorities, to the right authorities, and then for them to have a system by with which to disseminate the information to the public.

SHERIFF HIERHOLZER:   The only thing I have to remind people, unfortunately, I guess I'm one of the ones that – Harley maybe has been around here to see some very devastating floods and quite a bit of loss of life.  No matter what we do it's going to be up to the public, okay.  The notification is great.  I think the -- just the markers, the posts at the crossing is one thing, but it actually oughta state that at that level that your car may wash off, get people's attention at that crossing.  The only other thing is, and as Bob can attest to, most of the time it has been informal where we call people.  Unfortunately, the time we had the most devastating one down on the east end of the County down at the camps, I was working that night, spent 72 hours pulling kids out of fences.  But we call people, we called camps, they made the decision that they thought they could beat that ride, and then that no matter what we do and no matter what we install there's going to be loss of life.  It's educating people. 

COMMISSIONER REEVES:  And I will say and, Sheriff, you can correct me if I'm off base on this, the camps have had a very good system of letting down river if there's a rise, they're phoning their competitors or colleagues down river and letting them know what happened.  It's informal as you said, but it's been a very good system to let them know over time.

SHERIFF HIERHOLZER:  Right.  The camps and they do, they notify each other, we notify them, they notify -- there's a lot of informal things that really do work real well.  It's not totally those unless they try to get them out too quick in trying to beat it. Because this river can come up in a instant, we all know that with the drainage.  But it will go down just as quick if they just hold tight with what they've got. But the whole key is just getting people that are traveling up here from somewhere --

 COMMISSIONER REEVES:  That's my concern is ones that don't live here.

COMMISSIONER MOSER:  That's everybody's concern.

JUDGE POLLARD:  So this is kind of an offer, or to see if it's accepted by and also agreed to by UGRA and the City.

COMMISSIONER MOSER:  Correct.

JUDGE POLLARD:  And if they don't then where are we with this?

COMMISSIONER MOSER:  If they don't then we just forget the whole project.

 JUDGE POLLARD:  Just dead in the water.

COMMISSIONER MOSER:  Dead in the water, right.  It's dead in the water.

COMMISSIONER REEVES:  Question --

COMMISSIONER MOSER:  Or the pun for the Flood Warning System.

JUDGE POLLARD:  Dead in the water.

After failing to secure a grant, they continued to kick the can down the road.

2021 rolls around and they have over 5 mil in ARPA funds in their bank and wind up with a grand total of over 10 mil. 

Commissioners' Court Regular Session 10/25/21 discussion of communication systems

COMMISSIONER LETZ:  Well, I think that's  good. I just think that -- you know, I'd like to get an idea of what the Sheriff's radar systems are going to cost.  I mean I just don't want to send -- go out and get public input on something and then us just not be able to follow up because we have a priority that's different and we have additional information.

 JUDGE KELLY:  Well, but let me just explain. What all of these are intentioned to do is to initiate the education system.  We need to get the Court educated.  We need to get the public educated.  Everybody knows that we have over $5 million sitting in our bank account that the Federal Government sent us for these ARPA funds.  And they're not really grants, they're funds.

MRS. LAVENDER:  And as the Judge said, there's a huge category.  There's a bunch of things that you can spend the money or -- or secure the money to spend.  And when we use the term grant, grant is not really what this is. It's just funding that's been made available through this American Rescue Plan Act.  It doesn't require a match.  It doesn't require, you know, that kind of structure.  But it does have strings attached.  It's not  free money.

COMMISSIONER LETZ:  And that's my concern, Judge.  My concern is that from my understanding what  the -- well, I won't say LCRA because I know what their number is.  The number from the Sheriff's Department, the number from internal communications, we're already over 5 million dollars, so I don't want to go out to the public requesting -- we have no money to do it.

 COMMISSIONER BELEW:  Well, at least we make  the determination that that's the first --

COMMISSIONER LETZ:  Right.  But --

COMMISSIONER BELEW:  Then it's done.  But we  haven't made that determination.

COMMISSIONER LETZ:  That's why I think we need to get discuss that phase.  We need to get those  numbers -- I mean, my opinion is law enforcement and the internal communications are the number one and two.  I'm not sure which order.  Probably law enforcement first. And -- and I haven't heard the rest of the Court say what their top two priorities are but --

COMMISSIONER HARRIS:  Well, that's mine.  Because not only does it cover that, it -- the Sheriff's office, communications, getting it up to speed, and also the Volunteer Fire Departments and making sure that we can communicate with other counties. As we saw last winter, I mean, communications is one of our biggest weaknesses and there's the Sheriff up.  I'm sure he'll back me up on  that.  Communications was a problem.  Go ahead, Sheriff.

SHERIFF LEITHA:  Yeah, I kind of agree with Jonathan, if you go that direction.  Now, we had a  meeting, did attend with LCRA, a very good meeting, just preliminary.  Preliminary, I'm looking at $3 million for just me.  That's just us and -- the Sheriff's Office. That's not including we have the constables, we have Animal Control, we have the fire department.  There's a whole bunch of stuff that needs to be checked into.  Are we going to provide radios or not.  But I can tell you, I mean, it kind of shocked me.  But that was three million right off the  bat.  And -- and that's not even going into all the other agencies.  Are we going to supply those radios, they're very expensive, to all the fire departments or not.  So this is something we really need to look into, if we want to go that direction with the new infrastructure.  Also, visiting with the Chief on a daily basis, you know, that's kind of the direction they're going.  I've requested to be on the same radio system they are.  Only because the fire department dispatch is out of the County.  But the radio system will be very  expensive.

COMMISSIONER BELEW:  And -- but if we upgrade, we will also be able to communicate with the surrounding counties.

SHERIFF LEITHA:  Yes.  We will be.  And it's a very big project.  You know, something that's going to take some time.  Very costly.  And there's a lot of questions, you know.  We're opening a can of worms, you  know.  We discussed we really need the volunteer fire department input.  We've already gotten some kickback --I mean some -- some -- you know, and that's why I didn't open this can of worms. It's going to be a long, drawn out process, you know, to do this.  It can be done.  But like I said, it's very costly.  Something I can say like Don asked me, I mean, in the long run in the five year we can save money.  We pay over $300,000 a year in tower leases.  So there is going to be some savings down the line, just to let you know.

And they still don't update their flood warning system.

The people also didn't want to spend any of the ARPA money because it was tied to the Biden administration. Even the Judge suggests just holding on to the money so that it can’t be sent to states that don’t share their same values. And now we have 10s of people who have died and many might have lived if the county had updated their flood warning system and installed flood sirens along the river like the multiple counties/towns around them did. 

Commissioners' Court Regular Session 11/08/21

Resident: Are you accountable to anyone for how you spend it?  Or is it a, kind of, a reward and shows your support for this particular program? It's not free money.  Being present as we  talk.  How do we know this?  Immediately.  Unless you want it on the COVID lies and vaccination pressure, you have to send it back.  Those are heavy strings.  And those are strings. The deep state harangue and vilified President Trump for calling COVID for what it was and then suggest responses that were non-draconian, and then when Biden took office, the leftist government took its gloves off.  It has lied and lied more about this COVID -- about COVID. 

The temptation is great, you're accountable, and we would like to know where your allegiance is.

Resident 2: And I'm here to ask this Court today to send this money back to the Biden administration, which I consider to be the most criminal treasonous communist government ever to hold the White House.  And Kerr County should not be accepting anything from these people.  They're currently facilitating an invasion of our border, and we're going to support these people?  So that's what I have to say.  Thank you.

Resident: I happen to know that there is no such thing as free money.  It's never government-funded; it's tax-payer funded.  So they're taking our money and they're putting strings attached to it and then they're giving it back to us.  And they're going to get their foot in the door in this county.  We don't want their  money.  I feel like the people have spoken and I stand with the people.  Thank you for your time.

COMMISSIONER BELEW:  We have money in the bank, $5.1 million, that was sent to Kerr County.

JUDGE KELLY:  We didn't ask for it.  They sent it.

COMMISSIONER BELEW:  They sent it.

MS. DEWELL:  Exactly.

COMMISSIONER BELEW:  The money is in the bank right now.  Hasn't been spent.  In the event that you don't spend it, you send it back.  That's part of the Treasury's rules on it.  If you do spend it, whatever percentage, there would be no expense to the  taxpayers in Kerr County.  It would all come out of that account, no matter what you do with it.

JUDGE KELLY:  And GrantWorks has been very helpful in -- in getting us focused on what colors between the lines and what doesn't.  As of last Thursday, when I got a call from Bonnie White telling me about this -- the problem that y'all were going to present at the meeting, I went and got on the telephone to their Senior Vice President from GrantWorks.  And there -- there are discussions that they want to have with us and so we want to sit down and listen to them. And we want -- we want you to hear them, too.  Because you're the public.  But we -- we need to know and get very comfortable with where we are with this grant before we start taking that money.  And the claw back was the first thing. As far as where that money sits for the next year or two, my old law partner John Cornyn tells me that if we send it back it's going to New Jersey or it's going to New York or it's going to --

MRS. LAVENDER:  Or California.

 JUDGE KELLY:  -- or California.  And so I don't know if I'd rather be the custodian of the money  until we decide what we have to do with it rather than giving it back to the government to spend it on values that we in Kerr County don't agree with.  So --

COMMISSIONER BELEW:  And any spending of it would have to be done in Commissioners' Court so you'll be able to see it and know it.

They eventually signed a 7.5 mil contract with Motorola in 2022 for a county emergency communications system. The system would provide 95% radio coverage to firefighters, EMS and law enforcement. 

But hey at least the USGR has had developing a flood warning system on their Strategic Plan doc since 2022 which they kept rolling to the next year plan.

USGR Strategic Plan 2025

B-2. Work with local partners to develop Kerr County flood warning system 

• In January 2017, UGRA partnered with Kerr County in a FEMA flood warning implementation grant request for $980,000. The project was not selected for funding and most of the funds went to communities impacted by Hurricane Harvey. 

• In FY18 the USGS installed a high intensity precipitation gauge at the streamflow site on the Guadalupe in Hunt included in the agreement with UGRA. 

• During the previous reporting period, a pre application for a county wide flood warning system was submitted to the Texas Water Development Board Flood Infrastructure Fund. The project was invited to submit a complete application, but UGRA declined due to the low (5%) match offered through the grant. 

• UGRA participated in the update to the Kerr County Hazard Mitigation Action Plan which addresses hazards including flooding. The final plan was submitted to FEMA in April 2025. 

• During this reporting period, UGRA requested bids for a flood warning dashboard that combines multiple sources of data into one tool. The project will also recommend future improvements to monitoring equipment related to flood warning. Information from this dashboard will be used by UGRA staff and local emergency coordinators and decision makers. A contractor for this project was selected in April 2025.

 

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16 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

No I don’t - I have not read every link here. 
It is difficult to keep up to speed with the rapid pace.

So I’ll bow out here and catch up when more info is available.

Here's the meeting minutes if you'd care to look, Jan 9 2017 with 11 days till losing out on the free money to build flood sirens. The discussion starts around page 65 or 70, and they ultimately decide to pursue a mobile alert "Code Red" service that could be triggered by the sheriff (on page 83) and would deliver alerts to mobile phones. They talk themselves out of using sirens.

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27 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Here's the meeting minutes if you'd care to look, Jan 9 2017 with 11 days till losing out on the free money to build flood sirens. The discussion starts around page 65 or 70, and they ultimately decide to pursue a mobile alert "Code Red" service that could be triggered by the sheriff (on page 83) and would deliver alerts to mobile phones. They talk themselves out of using sirens.

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Especially since and I quote, "This is the most dangerous river valley in the United States."

 

Was that schmuck Rob Kelly presiding at the time of these decisions or when was he elected to be the top judge for kerr co?

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26 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Here's the meeting minutes if you'd care to look, Jan 9 2017 with 11 days till losing out on the free money to build flood sirens. The discussion starts around page 65 or 70, and they ultimately decide to pursue a mobile alert "Code Red" service that could be triggered by the sheriff (on page 83) and would deliver alerts to mobile phones. They talk themselves out of using sirens.

 

28 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

JUDGE POLLARD:  I would comment that we don't hardly have any crazy people that live here. 

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14 minutes ago, Deej said:

 

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There's literally a big ass mental institution right in the middle of town.

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18 minutes ago, Deej said:

 

Sarcastic Christine Taylor GIF

Resident: Are you accountable to anyone for how you spend it?  Or is it a, kind of, a reward and shows your support for this particular program? It's not free money.  Being present as we  talk.  How do we know this?  Immediately.  Unless you want it on the COVID lies and vaccination pressure, you have to send it back.  Those are heavy strings.  And those are strings. The deep state harangue and vilified President Trump for calling COVID for what it was and then suggest responses that were non-draconian, and then when Biden took office, the leftist government took its gloves off.  It has lied and lied more about this COVID -- about COVID. 

The temptation is great, you're accountable, and we would like to know where your allegiance is.

Resident 2: And I'm here to ask this Court today to send this money back to the Biden administration, which I consider to be the most criminal treasonous communist government ever to holdthe White House.  And Kerr County should not beaccepting anything from these people.  They'recurrently facilitating an invasion of our border, and we're going to support these people?  So that's what I have to say.  Thank you.

Resident: I happen to know that there is no such thing as free money.  It's never government-funded; it's tax-payer funded.  So they're takingour money and they're putting strings attached to it and then they're giving it back to us.  And they're going to get their foot in the door in this county.  We don't want their  money.  I feel like the people have spoken and I stand with the people.  Thank you for your time.

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3 hours ago, Herbie Hancock said:


That’s your opinion and you’re certainly entitled to it. Also, I appreciate you articulating your opinion in a constructive way, thank you for that. Extensive NIMS and ICS training and certification are required of any entity receiving federal funds and also what helps make interoperability between departments possible; so I’ll disagree that at the operations level FEMA is needed for that.

I’ll own that I was a bit too vague about not being needed beyond their checkbook. They do have a purpose and do help, but it’s been my firsthand experiences that they greatly complicate and convolute things in the initial action phase of an incident. Once incident stabilization has been achieved is where I feel they’re better suited. This has been an issue that transcends whatever political party is running the White House. In fact, my biggest frustrations came from incidents that occurred under the post-Obama regime and pre-Biden.

Re: Fema
From what I remember from the Hurricane Katrina (2005) discussion about the timing of a Fed response, the timeline of events was some like this:

Event is coming,

Hurricane Katrina (2005), everyone (Louisiana) started flat footed,

Hurricane Rita, 1 month later (Texas),

The Good;  National Guard on standby, supplies (food, water, gasoline) were pre-positioned at various locations (along major arteries) in anticipation of coming events.) 
The Bad; evacuate Houston, instead of just the low lying areas. 

Day 1.  Hurricane Landfall, help is needed. The State petitions the Federal Government, the Fed is in motion (Best case, response is immediate. The levy failure and flooding of New Orleans did not happen immediately.)
Day 1-2,  Call up National Guard; National Guard ~ 24 hours to show up at rally point
Day 2-3, National Guard begins acquiring necessary supplies and equipment, deploys to location
Day 3-4, National Guard on site, responds to emergency. 

The takeaway from Katrina was that the Local and State responses were the critical first lines of support until Federal assistance showed up in force, which would still be at least 2-3 days after the event. 

It seams every "natural disaster", before and since, follows this same script. There is no substitute for the local governments (Volunteer Fire Departments, City & County) having some resources that can be called upon and deployed immediately, before the State and Federal resources can deployed in a meaningful way.

Unfortunately, the demands that places on certain individuals and the skill sets necessary to effectively manage the situation are rarely in the same place at the same time. 

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4 hours ago, Chopper said:

from the comments to that article - thought these 2 were interesting

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Worked RSC and Surge. To those here who want to hate FEMA. We know what we were doing. 

Now we got Connie.

 

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5 minutes ago, BillyGoatHill said:

Wasn't just the boy counselors at La Junta that did such a great job, these two girl counselors are not getting enough love... 

And our fellow Bomberos to the south of us...

 

 

Had lunch with this dud and his team. Solid. We talked Gold Cup. 

@Homesickhorn is supposed to get me a shirt. I was going to trade Texas Baseball but I got called out to make a run

Nice man. 

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15 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Worked RSC and Surge. To those here who want to hate FEMA.We know what we were doing

 

 

This ^^^

You can hate on the bureaucracy/red tape BS (no matter what politico is in charge) but not on the teams themselves. The people know what they are doing and how to get it done. 

11 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Had lunch with this dud and his team. Solid. We talked Gold Cup. 

@Homesickhorn is supposed to get me a shirt. I was going to trade Texas Baseball but I got called out to make a run

Nice man. 

My daughter has lived in Mexico for the past 7 yrs and it's always a good time talking with fellow brothers when visiting down there. Early 2000's some of my department's reserve rigs and other equipment were driven down to Baja and donated to the Cabo FD.

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Had lunch with this dud and his team. Solid. We talked Gold Cup. 
[mention=1412]Homesickhorn[/mention] is supposed to get me a shirt. I was going to trade Texas Baseball but I got called out to make a run
Nice man. 

The Cuidad Acuna fast water dudes were metal. They got here at around 2pm on the fourth. I wasn’t able to get a shirt, but those dudes showed the fuck up.
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1 hour ago, Cajun said:

There's literally a big ass mental institution right in the middle of town.

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To be fair, they don't LIVE there as much as they're CONFINED there...

49 minutes ago, BillyGoatHill said:

Wasn't just the boy counselors at La Junta that did such a great job, these two girl counselors are not getting enough love... 

And our fellow Bomberos to the south of us...

 

 

I hope these heroes aren't detained by ICE. 

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28 minutes ago, Homesickhorn said:


The Cuidad Acuna fast water dudes were metal. They got here at around 2pm on the fourth. I wasn’t able to get a shirt, but those dudes showed the fuck up.

Were they surprised at your Castilian?

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30 minutes ago, Homesickhorn said:


The Cuidad Acuna fast water dudes were metal. They got here at around 2pm on the fourth. I wasn’t able to get a shirt, but those dudes showed the fuck up.

Better get me one. 

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5 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Dude, take a knee. 

You did a lot of lobbying for this kind of post being separated from the rain threads, and well, this is the thread for discussing the disaster, who to blame, etc, and comment on it. So as tiresome and hyperbolic as the guy is about this shit, he's posting in the right place. It's tiresome, because on some level, he's right and we know it and don't like hearing it spelled out over and over and over again. 

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2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You did a lot of lobbying for this kind of post being separated from the rain threads, and well, this is the thread for discussing the disaster, who to blame, etc, and comment on it. So as tiresome and hyperbolic as the guy is about this shit, he's posting in the right place. It's tiresome, because on some level, he's right and we know it and don't like hearing it spelled out over and over and over again. 

sorry man. Tired. 

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4 hours ago, Saint Tacky said:

Or out for a morning jog at 3:30 in the morning 

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Are they framing this as a money and budgetary issue when the Feds granted them money for a system in 2015 and again in 2021 ($5.1M)?

 

 

All of this tragedy and heartbreak with over 100 dead and the thing that sticks out in my mind the most is why the Kerr County city manager was out for a morning jog at 3:30 AM. 

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Knew this jump was coming because this was the first time they publicly came out with the number, but have mercy 161 missing.  Among those four, my friend's cousin's family.  They were camping.  The cousin, cousin's wife, their son, and daughter. 

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