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3 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

Ok as somebody who feels very strongly that the best G5 team belongs in the playoffs I am still kind of blown away they put two of them in there. Was that really necessary? Especially as neither was unbeaten and combined for one top 25 win...against North Texas.

What the hell happened there? They just didn't want to touch the Notre Dame vs. Texas vs. BYU thing. Lame.

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I don’t feel bad for Vandy. They lost to the two SEC teams they played that had a pulse. 
 
And the refs also made their loss vs Texas look closer than it was due to extremely suspect officiating in 2H
Agreed.  And talking heads were hyping up the close wins vs MSU and UK, for Texas only, while conveniently leaving out the level of fuckery that was involved by officiating to help opposing teams not lose too badly.  They refused to let Texas crush Vandy which could have helped the Horn's case for having multiple double digit wins over their playoff contenders.  3 double digit wins against 3 of their locks, makes them look even more pathetic. 
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2 hours ago, Ron Swanson said:

Why have a committee at all?  Why not set up CFP rankings based on objective measures and eliminate the human voting aspect that will always carry at least a hint of partiality and preferential treatment?

Establish rankings based on win/loss records, opponents' win/loss records, points for/against, opponents' points for/against, etc?

That’s great….but, makes way too much sense.

Posted
46 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Why are KSU and ISU bailing? Other schools with coaching changes are playing.

Down corn year. They polled the fans and it just wasn't in the budget. 

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

And it's a hell of an experience for the players.

Declining the bowl game absolutely sucks.

Wonder how many of our players opt out for this bowl game…..does it or would it affect their NIL $$$ ?

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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/47228737/final-anger-index-college-football-playoff-ranking-notre-dame-2025

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And the committee's process, from the outset of that first playoff 12 years ago, has been a mess.

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In the first ranking, Notre Dame was eight spots ahead of Miami. Both won out, both by big margins, and each week along the way, Notre Dame remained ahead of Miami. Last week, Alabama -- fresh off a near disaster in the Iron Bowl -- leapfrogged Notre Dame despite the Irish dominating Stanford 49-20. That was a head-scratcher, unless, of course, you believed the minor conspiracy that the committee was setting up a direct comparison between Miami and Notre Dame by having them ranked one right after the other.

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After BYU lost its conference championship, the Cougars dropped in the rankings -- something that didn't happen to Alabama for a similar blowout defeat

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A year ago, committee chair Warde Manuel said it might -- including docking SMU two spots after a three-point loss to Clemson in the ACC conference championship game, even if it didn't knock the Mustangs out of the playoff. But Alabama's 21-point loss Saturday meant nothing.

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The eye test is the best argument for one team, the data for another, and no one can be sure which metric matters more, because again, it depends

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But ironically, no one seems to contradict the committee more than the committee itself. The case for Team A so often sounds like the mirror image of the case against Team B. Alabama jumped Notre Dame in last week's rankings after an ugly win over Auburn, but Miami's dominant victory on the road against a ranked Pitt team made no difference.

 

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10 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Wonder how many of our players opt out for this bowl game…..does it or would it affect their NIL $$$ ?

I think that you can’t tie NIL to actual playing football which is just another example of how incredibly dumb this game has gotten. 

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7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I think that you can’t tie NIL to actual playing football which is just another example of how incredibly dumb this game has gotten. 

This is untrue. Revshare has completely legalized pay for play. 

3 hours ago, 'stache said:

Haha I’ve avoided the Notre Dame hate train and they go and pull a bitch ass move like sitting out a bowl game. Grow up you fucking babies.

I really dont get the "but the practices" angle. What the fuck are they going to practice? A lot of these teams are gonna change scheme and make major adjustments in the offseason and have entirely different personnel.

I don't understand denying players the reward, but let's stop making this "bowl games make teams better next year" argument please for the love of fuck. 

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

This is untrue. Revshare has completely legalized pay for play. 

I really dont get the "but the practices" angle. What the fuck are they going to practice? A lot of these teams are gonna change scheme and make major adjustments in the offseason and have entirely different personnel.

I don't understand denying players the reward, but let's stop making this "bowl games make teams better next year" argument please for the love of fuck. 

How is keeping players busy and practicing not better than letting them get drunk and bang their fat girlfriends?

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All times Eastern

    First round (Dec. 19-20)
        Friday, Dec. 19
            No. 8 at Oklahoma vs. No. 9 Alabama, 8 p.m. ET on ABC, ESPN, WatchESPN
        Saturday, Dec. 20:
            No. 7 at Texas A&M vs. No. 10 Miami (Fla.), 12 p.m. on ABC, ESPN, WatchESPN
            No. 6 at Ole Miss vs. No. 11 Tulane, 3:30 p.m. on TNT, truTV, HBO Max
            No. 5 at Oregon vs. No. 12 James Madison, 7:30 p.m. on TNT, truTV, HBO Max

    Quarterfinals (Dec. 31-Jan. 1)
        Wednesday, Dec. 31
            No. 2 Ohio State vs. No. 7 Texas A&M/No. 10 Miami (Fla.) winner | Cotton Bowl | 7:30 p.m. | ESPN, WatchESPN
        Thursday, Jan. 1, 2026
            No. 4 Texas Tech vs. No. 5 Oregon/No. 12 James Madison winner | Orange Bowl | 12 p.m. | ESPN, WatchESPN
            No. 1 Indiana vs. No. 8 Oklahoma/No. 9 Alabama winner | Rose Bowl | 4 p.m. | ESPN, WatchESPN
            No. 3 Georgia vs. No. 6 Ole Miss/No. 11 Tulane winner | Sugar Bowl | 8 p.m. | ESPN, WatchESPN

    Semifinals (Jan. 8-9)
        Thursday, Jan. 8, 2026
            Fiesta Bowl (Glendale, Ariz.) | 7:30 p.m. | ESPN, WatchESPN
        Friday, Jan. 9, 2026
            Peach Bowl (Atlanta) | 7:30 p.m. | ESPN, WatchESPN

     College Football Playoff National Championship Game
        Monday, Jan. 19, 2026
            Hard Rock Stadium in Miami Gardens, Fla. | 7:30 p.m. | ESPN, WatchESPN

 

Posted
4 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

They got it correct putting in Miami over ND. They beat them head to head and are in a conference. Join a conference or fuck off. ND lost to aggy, Miami, their 2 toughest games. Then ran the table on a creampuff schedule they have every year. Until they join a conference, they should have a much smaller margin of error. If they had just 1 loss, then sure, put them in. I believe they only had 1 loss last year.

But the CCG are pointless now. Ohio St vs Indiana wasn't even for anything. Both got bye weeks regardless. Bama could have sat at home, rested and gotten the same result, a playoff spot. Virginia/Duke resulted in nothing.

1st round is some ugly matchups. 2 blowouts coming and then we get a rematch of Bama/OU, 2 of some of the worst offenses in P4 and we just saw that game a few weeks ago and it sucked. Miami vs aggy gives us 2 pretty bad QB's, especially Carson Beck, who can easily give you a 4-5 turnover game any given game.

Ole Miss, Oregon, aggy, Bama would be my picks. The aggy and Bama games are hard to predict because all these teams are such wildcards and have erratic QB play.

Disagree. B10 championship keeps Indiana from having to play Georgia in a semi. 

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Georgia vs Ohio State in the semis looks awfully good.  I wonder if Oregon is any good? Not surprised in the least that Collin Klein is going back to KSU.  

I didn't see any weakness in Indiana.  Indy in the championship game looks good, except they will hear how great they are between now and their next game.  Could lose focus pretty easily.  

 

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13 minutes ago, immamac said:

I really dont get the "but the practices" angle. What the fuck are they going to practice? A lot of these teams are gonna change scheme and make major adjustments in the offseason and have entirely different personnel.

I don't understand denying players the reward, but let's stop making this "bowl games make teams better next year" argument please for the love of fuck. 

Time for actual live practice that isn't install or game prep is scarce in college.  It's basically only spring practice and most of the extra bowl practice is like a mini-spring.

For underclassmen who need help with technique and practice reps, it's pretty huge.  Flood can probably teach our guards to run block with that amount of time.

Posted
16 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

aggy/miami should be a night game.

 

fucking tulane ole miss should be the 11 am game on espn 8

TNT.  Basically same thing...

Posted
2 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

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When they miraculously moved up on the rankings last week despite struggling with auburn I knew they were in. They were never going to let Alabama miss the playoffs two years in a row.  

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Watching that Ohio st and Indiana game all I could think is the amount of holding they let go was ridiculous and Ohio state would never botch a 4th and 1 and miss a field goal against us. We would never catch those breaks. 

Posted
2 hours ago, tbone_ said:

HBO max?

Yep, you can watch games that are on a Turner channel on HBOMax. That’s how I watch most of the NCAA basketball tourney 

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8 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

We should schedule Tulane and JMU for the next few years with a big ad blitz that we are playing “Certified Play Off Caliber Opponents” as a big Fuck You to this committee.

That's actually a pretty good idea...

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5 hours ago, kevwun said:

That's really the only benefit now.

i dunno, getting to go to Orlando is fun

getting to go to Orlando AND eating the mascot if you win is even more fun

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You know what’s crazy that I have not seen media talking about? 8 teams from last year’s #CFP did not make it this year.

Texas
Notre Dame
Boise State
Tennessee
Clemson
SMU
Penn State
Arizona State

Things can change quickly in college football.

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10 hours ago, MAGS® said:

TNT.  Basically same thing...

Yeah.  TNT/HBO Max for a playoff game?

11am games are not as fun as a night game. 

However, if a team does something impressive in an 11am game, those replays get shown all day, especially during the talking heads portions of the later games (pre-game, halftime, wrap up at the end of the day). 
 

How many times did you see highlights of Marcel Reed lighting it up against South Carolina a few weeks ago?  It was all day. 

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Just now, Vanilla Strange Gato said:

TNT/HBO Max for a playoff game?

Yes, just like our game against Clemson last year 

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High Strength of Schedule does not necessarily mean you are a good team, just that you had good teams on your schedule.  Strength of Record is more appropriate once we've seen the games played when you want to compare teams with disparate records.

Here's two versions of SoR:

SOR FPI FEI
     
1 Indiana Indiana
2 Georgia Georgia
3 Texas A&M Oregon
4 Ohio State Ohio State
5 Oregon Texas A&M
6 Ole Miss Texas Tech
7 Texas Tech Ole Miss
8 Oklahoma BYU
9 BYU Oklahoma
10 Alabama Alabama
11 Vanderbilt Texas
12 Texas Vanderbilt
13 Notre Dame Notre Dame

But now we're back to the debate between "best" and "most deserving."  Strength of Record is a "deserving" metric.  For the "best" teams, look at where the predictive style rankings are actually putting the teams.  Here's some below, and I also threw in Massey Composite:

Rank FPI FEI SP+ Sagarin Massey Composite
           
1 Indiana Indiana Ohio State Ohio State Indiana
2 Ohio State Ohio State Indiana Indiana Ohio State
3 Notre Dame Oregon Texas Tech Notre Dame Georgia
4 Oregon Notre Dame Oregon Oregon Texas Tech
5 Texas Tech Texas Tech Georgia Texas Tech Oregon
6 Georgia Georgia Notre Dame Georgia Ole Miss
7 Miami Utah Ole Miss Miami Notre Dame
8 Alabama Vanderbilt Texas A&M Texas A&M Texas A&M
9 Utah Miami Miami Alabama Oklahoma
10 Texas A&M Alabama Utah Ole Miss BYU
11 USC Texas A&M Vanderbilt Vanderbilt Miami
12 Ole Miss USC Oklahoma Texas Alabama
13 Texas Oklahoma Alabama Oklahoma Utah

If you don't like these, pick whichever system that is meant to be predictive and use those results.

This is neither here nor there as far as the committee goes.  They are supposedly ranking the "best" teams, although five slots for conference champs is a big concession to "deserving."

 

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16 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I for one do not believe expansion will fix the issue. The issue is the committee.

Yeah maybe putting a failed AD in as the chairman wasn't the best idea? Arkansas has lost 2/3rd of their games since he took over

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Just now, Captainant said:

Yeah maybe putting a failed AD in as the chairman wasn't the best idea? Arkansas has lost 2/3rd of their games since he took over

I thought it was the woman on the committee who only scrolls on her phone during games....

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13 hours ago, tbone_ said:

How is keeping players busy and practicing not better than letting them get drunk and bang their fat girlfriends?

Bangin' a fat girl is like riding a moped ... lot of fun, but you don't want to be seen with one unless you're drunk.

 sexy girl GIF

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I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the teams that got left out. It’s really hard to say a team with 2+ losses is deserving of a shot at a championship. That said, I think UT and ND are more capable at making a run at it than at least 7 of the teams that did get in. That tells me that 12 isn’t enough. It also confirms my bias that 16 was the right number for a playoff  since before they went to 4 teams. 

This year it could be argued that 4 would be enough. Last year showed that at least 8 is needed to identify a champion. 12 could have been enough this year if bama and 1 of the G6 teams were left out. 

I think 16 is the right number. It doesn’t discourage compelling early season matchups. It preserves the value of the conference championship games. It includes at least two G6 teams for the occasional Cinderella story. Plus it puts into play the possibility of a G6 team that goes undefeated in their schedule to host a blue blood school for a playoff game delivering the type of event that would only be possible in college football. 

I think the bids should be:

the conference champions of the B1G, SEC, ACC, and Big 12. You win that game and you’re in. That is the biggest piece of not punishing good OOC games. 

The next two bids should go to the two highest ranked g6 teams. I think including these teams is good for the sport and creates much more interesting story lines for everyone except the fans of the 5th or 6th best sec/b1g team that gets left out. I don’t give a fuck about them. They are probably a better team, maybe, but we know they aren’t one of the best 4-5 teams in their conference. They can get fucked. 

After those 6 conference champions, give me 10 at-large bids. 

The committee should be granted some latitude in the seeding to avoid rematches in the first round. 

My bracket for this year sets up thusly:

1 IU - 16 Duke

8 OU - 9 Miami

5 Ore - 12 BYU

4 TT - 13 Texas

 

6 Miss - 11 ND

3 OSU - 14 Tul

7 A&M - 10 Bama

2 UGA - 15 JMU

 

IU’s reward, or OSU’s punishment, for the B1G championship game is that OSU and UGA are on the opposite side of the bracket.

I didn’t spend much time on seeding, just avoiding 1st round rematches. Looking at it now, I’d get bama away from a second round 3rd game against UGA. But I think that’s the only major flaw I see in this bracket. 

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5 minutes ago, heso said:

I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the teams that got left out. It’s really hard to say a team with 2+ losses is deserving of a shot at a championship. That said, I think UT and ND are more capable at making a run at it than at least 7 of the teams that did get it. That tells me that 12 isn’t enough. It also confirms my bias that 16 was the right number for a playoff  since before they went to 4 teams. 

This year it could be argued that 4 would be enough. Last year showed that at least 9 is needed to identify a champion. 12 could have been enough this year if bama and 1 of the G6 teams were left out. 

I think 16 is the right number. It doesn’t discourage compelling early season matchups. It preserves the value of the conference championship games. It includes at least two G6 teams for the occasional Cinderella story. Plus it puts into play the possibility of a G6 team that goes undefeated in their schedule to host a blue blood school for a playoff game delivering the type of event that would only be possible in college football. 

I think the bids should be:

the conference champions of the B1G, SEC, ACC, and Big 12. You win that game and you’re in. That is the biggest piece of not punishing good OOC games. 

The next two bids should go to the two highest ranked g6 teams. I think including these teams is good for the sport and creates much more interesting story lines for everyone except the fans of the 5th or 6th best sec/b1g team that gets left out. I don’t give a fuck about them. They are probably a better team, maybe, but we know they aren’t one of the best 4-5 teams in their conference. They can get fucked. 

After those 6 conference champions, give me 10 at-large bids. 

The committee should be granted some latitude in the seeding to avoid rematches in the first round. 

My bracket for this year sets up thusly:

1 IU - 16 Duke

8 OU - 9 Miami

5 Ore - 12 BYU

4 TT - 13 Texas

 

6 Miss - 11 ND

3 OSU - 14 Tul

7 A&M - 10 Bama

2 UGA - 15 JMU

 

IU’s reward, or OSU’s punishment, for the B1G championship game is that OSU and UGA are on the opposite side of the bracket.

I didn’t spend much time on seeding, just avoiding 1st round rematches. Looking at it now, I’d get bama away from a second round 3rd game against UGA. But I think that’s the only major flaw I see in this bracket. 

Alabama mulligan is inherent in most committee members minds.

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13 minutes ago, heso said:

I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the teams that got left out. It’s really hard to say a team with 2+ losses is deserving of a shot at a championship. That said, I think UT and ND are more capable at making a run at it than at least 7 of the teams that did get in. That tells me that 12 isn’t enough. It also confirms my bias that 16 was the right number for a playoff  since before they went to 4 teams. 

This year it could be argued that 4 would be enough. Last year showed that at least 8 is needed to identify a champion. 12 could have been enough this year if bama and 1 of the G6 teams were left out. 

I think 16 is the right number. It doesn’t discourage compelling early season matchups. It preserves the value of the conference championship games. It includes at least two G6 teams for the occasional Cinderella story. Plus it puts into play the possibility of a G6 team that goes undefeated in their schedule to host a blue blood school for a playoff game delivering the type of event that would only be possible in college football. 

I think the bids should be:

the conference champions of the B1G, SEC, ACC, and Big 12. You win that game and you’re in. That is the biggest piece of not punishing good OOC games. 

The next two bids should go to the two highest ranked g6 teams. I think including these teams is good for the sport and creates much more interesting story lines for everyone except the fans of the 5th or 6th best sec/b1g team that gets left out. I don’t give a fuck about them. They are probably a better team, maybe, but we know they aren’t one of the best 4-5 teams in their conference. They can get fucked. 

After those 6 conference champions, give me 10 at-large bids. 

The committee should be granted some latitude in the seeding to avoid rematches in the first round. 

My bracket for this year sets up thusly:

1 IU - 16 Duke

8 OU - 9 Miami

5 Ore - 12 BYU

4 TT - 13 Texas

 

6 Miss - 11 ND

3 OSU - 14 Tul

7 A&M - 10 Bama

2 UGA - 15 JMU

 

IU’s reward, or OSU’s punishment, for the B1G championship game is that OSU and UGA are on the opposite side of the bracket.

I didn’t spend much time on seeding, just avoiding 1st round rematches. Looking at it now, I’d get bama away from a second round 3rd game against UGA. But I think that’s the only major flaw I see in this bracket. 

Should aggy win their first rd game, Ohio State also gets the reward of playing a defacto home game against A&M at JerryWorld.  
Did the committee just not GAF?

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1 minute ago, Nivek said:

Alabama mulligan is inherent in most committee members minds.

I thought for a second about swapping that game with OU - Miami, but that felt like putting two teams that I thought were better against IU in the second round.

I think you could probably drop bama to 12 or 13 for that shit performance in the championship game and then just shift everyone up a notch with just keeping Aggie and nd apart in the 1st round. 

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1 hour ago, Nivek said:

I for one do not believe expansion will fix the issue. The issue is the committee.

There will always be contention, no matter what system you put in place. I will say it again, it should just be a normal fucking playoff like every other goddamn sport on the planet. CFB is not that special and doesn't need a cutesie playoff system. If you had that, Texas is in, ND is in, BYU is in, everyone that's fucking crying right now would be in. 

Set it up for 24 teams with 8 automatic byes for the highest ranked teams. Seed the rest by composite ranking.

I'm using the final CFP rankings just for the sake of argument here, but whatever composite ranking that is agreed upon prior to the season would work the same way:

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Would anyone at all be upset with this? Seriously, be honest with yourself. The SEC gets 4 byes (7 teams total), B1G gets 3 (6 teams total), Big 12 gets 1 (5 teams total), ACC gets 0 (3 teams total). What exactly would be wrong with a playoff bracket like this?

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1 hour ago, El Hornarino said:

High Strength of Schedule does not necessarily mean you are a good team, just that you had good teams on your schedule.  Strength of Record is more appropriate once we've seen the games played when you want to compare teams with disparate records.

Here's two versions of SoR:

SOR FPI FEI
     
1 Indiana Indiana
2 Georgia Georgia
3 Texas A&M Oregon
4 Ohio State Ohio State
5 Oregon Texas A&M
6 Ole Miss Texas Tech
7 Texas Tech Ole Miss
8 Oklahoma BYU
9 BYU Oklahoma
10 Alabama Alabama
11 Vanderbilt Texas
12 Texas Vanderbilt
13 Notre Dame Notre Dame

But now we're back to the debate between "best" and "most deserving."  Strength of Record is a "deserving" metric.  For the "best" teams, look at where the predictive style rankings are actually putting the teams.  Here's some below, and I also threw in Massey Composite:

Rank FPI FEI SP+ Sagarin Massey Composite
           
1 Indiana Indiana Ohio State Ohio State Indiana
2 Ohio State Ohio State Indiana Indiana Ohio State
3 Notre Dame Oregon Texas Tech Notre Dame Georgia
4 Oregon Notre Dame Oregon Oregon Texas Tech
5 Texas Tech Texas Tech Georgia Texas Tech Oregon
6 Georgia Georgia Notre Dame Georgia Ole Miss
7 Miami Utah Ole Miss Miami Notre Dame
8 Alabama Vanderbilt Texas A&M Texas A&M Texas A&M
9 Utah Miami Miami Alabama Oklahoma
10 Texas A&M Alabama Utah Ole Miss BYU
11 USC Texas A&M Vanderbilt Vanderbilt Miami
12 Ole Miss USC Oklahoma Texas Alabama
13 Texas Oklahoma Alabama Oklahoma Utah

If you don't like these, pick whichever system that is meant to be predictive and use those results.

This is neither here nor there as far as the committee goes.  They are supposedly ranking the "best" teams, although five slots for conference champs is a big concession to "deserving."

 

how is SOR calculated?

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