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5 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Yeah, it's stupid to try to make it about healthcare. We need some idiots to learn from touching the stove that touching the stove is bad and they shouldn't do it again. Last Trump admin Dems worked to alleviate the effects of his policies on millions of voters and got no credit for it.  He just slapped his name on the checks they had worked to pass. There are lots of people who need to experience the results of what they voted for. 

It'd make more sense, and would have better public appeal, to simply say that Dems are in the minority and have no control over the outcome, but that they will not co-sign a lawless dictatorship that steals from taxpayers for his own purposes and benefit.  But they're so fucking policy brained they can't help themselves.

They just need to hammer home if this budget bill passes your healthcare premiums will almost double next year and say that over and over and over and over

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Steering this back to real world impact, Russ Vought has determined that furloughed feds aren’t entitled to back pay, although Congress and nearly everyone else believed they passed a law in 2019 which says exactly that.  
 

I FULLY expect the Supreme Court to rule that the move is likely illegal, but unfortunately the people who miss paychecks don’t have standing to sue for them.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/07/white-house-furloughed-workers-00596231

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2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Right.  As I understand it, the issue the Dems are rallying around in this shutdown is the extension of ACA tax credits.  This isn't about employer-provided insurance, it's about those who get their insurance via the ACA marketplace, which in 2025 is about 24 million people.

Take those 24 million mostly healthy and young individuals out of the overall insurance pool and the whole system pays for the increase. That’s why I said just tell people their insurance premiums will be 75% higher if this passes and when it passes, if they kill the filibuster shout from the rooftops on every fucking program, this is Trump’s fault.

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11 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Steering this back to real world impact, Russ Vought has determined that furloughed feds aren’t entitled to back pay, although Congress and nearly everyone else believed they passed a law in 2019 which says exactly that.  
 

I FULLY expect the Supreme Court to rule that the move is likely illegal, but unfortunately the people who miss paychecks don’t have standing to sue for them.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/07/white-house-furloughed-workers-00596231

will that's an interesting nonsensical move. good. 

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49 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Not approving of this message, but I think it's not worthy that our POTUS is posting ITYSL memes about it.

 

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Well yeah, but this is misrepresenting the facts. Shocker. 

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4 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I FULLY expect the Supreme Court to rule that the move is likely illegal, but unfortunately the people who miss paychecks don’t have standing to sue .

No the employees have standing, they just filed the case in the wrong court.  The correct court is which ever court Trump just disbanded, which is obviously illegal but because it no longer exists, no one has standing to sue to reinstate it.  So sad, but they tried!

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Republicans and trump are already eating the negative publicity about the shutdown, so the democrats should just be filling social media with the truth keeping the heat on trump. 

Autocratic rulers are in danger when the population hates their guts. Since trump doesn't have complete control of the military yet, as evidenced by the response to drunk Pete and comatose Don shitting all over them in person, trump needs to be worrying about how long it'll take for a few top ranking generals to realize they can take him, his cabinet, and several republican politicians out and take control of the government. 

Once the rules are no longer followed and it's governmental anarchy there is nothing stopping competent people in a position of power from attempting to kill and overthrow the incompetent dictator and take power for themselves. 

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Dan Pfieffer is killing me.  He's comparing this shut down to pre-dotard era shut downs and treating the voting populace now the same as those from the pre-dotard era.  WE ARE IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLACE WITH MAGATS.  This is not the same.  They DO NOT CARE about the details behind the shut down.  These Dem operatives have to get out from behind their policy wonk walls.  They are so disconnected from the average voter.  Dumb it down.  Make it simpler.  Blame the Rs and Trump.  Doesn't matter why.

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18 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Not approving of this message, but I think it's not worthy that our POTUS is posting ITYSL memes about it.

 

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How do you do, fellow kids?

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This.  The fact that the Dems think Joe Public that gets their health insurance from obamacare has any idea what that means shows how out of touch they are.

The Dems should concede. The Rs won, so if it inflicts pain on their constituents so be it. Your premiums went up 17k annually? Too bad, so sad. Vote better next time.
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Just now, DaysOff said:


The Dems should concede. The Rs won, so if it inflicts pain on their constituents so be it. Your premiums went up 17k annually? Too bad, so sad. Vote better next time.

that is a bit of an irony on this shutdown. any success the dems have on this is ultimately doing the republicans a huge favor of protecting them from the consequences of their own terrible policy. the shrewder political move would be to just stand back and let the meltdown transpire and when all the rural white trash realize it was them that the new law completely turbofucks, it would strain even the most obscene obfuscation to try and blame a law that trump wanted and the republican majorities passed in bipartisan fashion to lay it at the feet of democrats. let them live with the consequences of their votes. but trying to keep people from becoming bankrupt/dying because they need to see a doctor is getting in the way of that whole thing.

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7 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Do they not have 50 R votes, so are hiding behind the 60 vote rule that they (incredulously) can attempt to place blame on dems?  

My guess

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26 minutes ago, sidis said:

that is a bit of an irony on this shutdown. any success the dems have on this is ultimately doing the republicans a huge favor of protecting them from the consequences of their own terrible policy. the shrewder political move would be to just stand back and let the meltdown transpire and when all the rural white trash realize it was them that the new law completely turbofucks, it would strain even the most obscene obfuscation to try and blame a law that trump wanted and the republican majorities passed in bipartisan fashion to lay it at the feet of democrats. let them live with the consequences of their votes. but trying to keep people from becoming bankrupt/dying because they need to see a doctor is getting in the way of that whole thing.

They did that in March, how's that working out for the Dems?  

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3 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Do they not have 50 R votes, so are hiding behind the 60 vote rule that they (incredulously) can attempt to place blame on dems?  

A shut down government is what republicans want. Everything they do is to destroy the government and have oligarch rule led by a strongman who facilitates the pillaging of the countries' resources for the oligarchs and himself. 

They are trying to blame democrats for the shutdown they want anyway,  but they are failing miserably at it. Even as dumb as Americans are, they can see through this nonsense as they know trump is running the government right now. 

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3 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

They did that in March, how's that working out for the Dems?  

They didn't. Schumer bailed out trump when most of us were saying let them own the shutdown. 

Democrats need to up their messaging game. Hire whomever Newsome hired to troll trump. Get out all the comedy based propaganda making the republicans look like the evil, pure shit garbage they are.  Mock them. Make fun of them for being too stupid to run a Burger King, much less a country. The republicans are hanging themselves with this, but the democrats need to up the messaging. 

It would be easy to turn this, but unfortunately that would require the democrats actuality speaking out against Israel and the billionaires that bribe them too. Maga is splintering with a portion blaming Israel and Kirk's gold digging whore wife for setting up his murder. Go with that, and put out a ton of conspiracy propaganda linking trump, kirk's wife, Vance, and Israel to kirk's murder. 

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4 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Do they not have 50 R votes, so are hiding behind the 60 vote rule that they (incredulously) can attempt to place blame on dems?  

They have the votes but they win on chaos, fear, and hate. They have no incentive, not yet at least, to do anything substantive. 

Unfortunately, it's to the point that Dems have to play the same game or they'll never win anything. They have to show they can win on the same playbook the Rs use. And we're all fucked until they do. Might be fucked after, too...

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Just now, Hermanator said:

They didn't. Schumer bailed out trump when most of us were saying let them own the shutdown. 

Democrats need to up their messaging game. Hire whomever Newsome hired to troll trump. Get out all the comedy based propaganda making the republicans look like the evil, pure shit garbage they are.  Mock them. Make fun of them for being too stupid to run a Burger King, much less a country. The republicans are hanging themselves with this, but the democrats need to up the messaging. 

It would be easy to turn this, but unfortunately that would require the democrats actuality speaking out against Israel and the billionaires that bribe them too. Maga is splintering with a portion blaming Israel and Kirk's gold digging whore wife for setting up his murder. Go with that, and put out a ton of conspiracy propaganda linking trump, kirk's wife, Vance, and Israel to kirk's murder. 

I think I'm misunderstanding the "Dems should stand back and let them destroy themselve" argument. I thought that would be to let the Republican policies go forward, by them implementing the R budget, R cuts, etc and continuing to fund the government as the systems implode on for everyone to see. That would mean some Dems voting for a CR to re-open the government. I'm not sure how the right winger common people would realize "how the new law completely turbofucks" them if the government is shut down otherwise. 

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4 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Imagine being demonstrably dumber than MTG.

 

5 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I would @ incredulity here, but he wouldn’t care anyway 

Imagine being such a huge bitchass you fake @ someone then proceed to gather the sewing circle to talk shit.

 

absolutely platinum level bitchassedness

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

I think I'm misunderstanding the "Dems should stand back and let them destroy themselve" argument. I thought that would be to let the Republican policies go forward, by them implementing the R budget, R cuts, etc and continuing to fund the government as the systems implode on for everyone to see. That would mean some Dems voting for a CR to re-open the government. I'm not sure how the right winger common people would realize "how the new law completely turbofucks" them if the government is shut down otherwise. 

Republicans added the biggest cuts to regular Americans to take effect in January 2027 after the midterms. It's not enough to just let them destroy the government. They're going to do that anyway. Democrats need to oppose their policy every step of the way and refuse to give in anything to keep the government operational. 

Newsome should go on podcasts. People like Rogan, Vaughn, etc. are distancing from trump now. One of those dipshits. I forget which,  even told his audience he regrets getting involved with politics. They are grifters who just go wherever the pop culture wind blows. As republicans and trump become less popular for being fascist thugs these podcast grifters will look for a new bandwagon to jump on. Newsome should give them this. Control the narrative with the 40 and under crowd. 



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