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Should Traffic Controllers be paid during shutdowns? And should private planes receive the same access as commercial airlines during flight restrictions?


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I do NOT want to go cloak room on this.  I really just want to know if you think airports are such important infrastructure to the public that they should be paid during shutdowns?

And do you think that Private Jets (low passenger counts) should or should not have the same access to the flight path as commercial airlines during periods of flight restrictions?

 

My personal feeling is yes, they should be paid as the overall threat to economic activity, makes me feel like Air traffic controllers are essential.  Conversely, I think that the first flights to lose access to the flight path should be private planes.  Simply as their are a lot of alternative landing places for smaller airlines, that could be utilized.  The same cannot be said for commercial airlines.  I just think you start off restricting the flights with the fewest passengers is the most logical way to manage such a crisis in the future.

 

 

 

Posted
17 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Everyone working should be paid on the regular schedule. If Congress and the President can't agree on the appropriations, then shut it down.

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16 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Interestingly the link says:

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  • The Federal Aviation Administration on Monday limited private flights at a dozen major U.S. airports as air traffic controller shortages snarled traffic around the country.
  • Last week, the FAA didn’t limit private jet and other general aviation flights like it did for U.S. commercial aviation.
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Posted
2 minutes ago, horn4life said:

Interestingly the link says:

"last week" being Friday. So a couple days later.    

 

Sure they should have done it at exactly the same time.  Not sure it makes much operational difference, perhaps politically when the billionaires are inconvenienced.

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I’m as affected by these ATC troubles as anyone but a shutdown needs to be a shutdown.   Otherwise there’s no incentive to work for compromise.  Start paying everyone and that’s how you make it last longer.

Make it be a real shutdown so they try harder to avoid it.  I would go further and say not only don’t pay fed employees, don’t have them come in to work at all. All air travel stops. All military ops pause.  All fed offices close. Tell the airlines they can’t fly.  Billions would be at stake instantly and the shutdown would likely never happen or if it did it wouldn’t last 2 hours. 

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10 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

I’m as affected by these ATC troubles as anyone but a shutdown needs to be a shutdown.   Otherwise there’s no incentive to work for compromise.  Start paying everyone and that’s how you make it last longer.

Make it be a real shutdown so they try harder to avoid it.  I would go further and say not only don’t pay fed employees, don’t have them come in to work at all. All air travel stops. All military ops pause.  All fed offices close. Tell the airlines they can’t fly.  Billions would be at stake instantly and the shutdown would likely never happen or if it did it wouldn’t last 2 hours. 

I'm kinda on board with this. It seemed like the shut down during the Clinton term had Alor more closures. 

I feel like the average person isn't really affected that much anymore

Posted
27 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

"last week" being Friday. So a couple days later.    

 

Sure they should have done it at exactly the same time.  Not sure it makes much operational difference, perhaps politically when the billionaires are inconvenienced.

So if you were managing a business, say the FAA, your first move would be to put the most productive and income producing flights at a 4,5,6% cuts? Then you would look at the least income producing flights carrying the fewest people?  From a business, or putting the public first perspective, it's a strange starting point for me?  Assuming my goal is the least disruption and minimize economic damage? That's why I think it's so clear that private flights should always be the first one's cut, before a commercial flight?  I would be fascinated to know the number of private and non-commercial flights allowed to displace commercial airline flights?  From an economic perspective is a no brainer.

Having Air traffic controllers paid is a no brainer to me.  And I don't fly all that much, but it's like closing an interstate from a business perspective.  So again a no brainer for me from an economic perspective.  

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9 minutes ago, horn4life said:

So if you were managing a business, say the FAA, your first move would be to put the most productive and income producing flights at a 4,5,6% cuts? Then you would look at the least income producing flights carrying the fewest people?  From a business, or putting the public first perspective, it's a strange starting point for me? 

well you see its not a business, its the government so its not ever going to be managed like a business.   NO CR

 

I agree with Your Mom above.  Paying everyone during a shutdown makes a shutdown even more completely non-sensical.  

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