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9 hours ago, dcar00 said:

I have no power.  I assume when my water went out and then I closed the customer side main valve that there is still water in my water heater correct?  if it is gas am I good just leaving the water heater alone?

I think you would be OK leaving the water heater like that. It’d be safer if you closed the inlet and outlet valves to the water heater. That way you know the water will stay there. And leave it hot, assuming it’s gas. If it’s electric then drain it.

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12 hours ago, Eastwood said:

So what's up with this energy spot price? I am on CPS, so it looks like they have some kind of variable model, but there is no way they expect middle class families to manage a several thousand dollar electric bill, right? This appears to be ERCOT's massive mistake, so no way should Texas citizens have to pay the bulk of it out of their pocket directly.

I’m pretty sure that you are not gonna get a bill in the thousands. If the power company passes the cost down to you, it will be crazy high price for only a few days, not the whole month.

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10 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Here is what I did and plan to do.  I don't know if it is right or wrong, but it is what makes sense to me.  I usually shut off my water at the owner side valve when I leave on extended vacations, so taking a similar approach here with the caveat that I shut down on the city's side of the meter this time, and I usually fire everything up without looking the place over for leaks and checking if the meter suggests a leak. 

1. Before opening the city valve, I am going to close the valve on my side of the meter.  Only reason for this is that it is a ball valve that I can more easily gradually open compared to the meter valve.  If I did not have access to the valve on my side I would not have a problem just opening the meter valve slowly.

2. Open exterior faucets and a few of the main faucets and tubs inside. 

3. Slowly open valve about 1/4 and then 1/2 turn, visually check flow to exterior faucets, but leave them running. Bleed air out of all remaining indoor faucets, and then close all indoor faucets. Check hot and cold side independently when bleeding out air. 

4. Open valve rest of way.  Close exterior faucets.

5.  Another round at bleeding interior faucets of any remaining air, give the system a few minutes to stabilize (fill toilets, hot water tanks, etc.)

6. Pray.

7. Once system stabilizes and all faucets are closed and hot water tanks are full, check the meter to see if ANY flow is coming through for sign of potential leak. Check known pipe locations for any signs of water leaks. Recheck meter for any flow.  If meter is turning at all with no obvious open faucet, could signal a leak. 

 

 

Probably a bit OCD, but that's what makes sense to me in this specific case.    

Good instructions.

With zero water pressure, is cutting off at supply/street the consensus action to take at this point?  Pros?  Cons?

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19 minutes ago, XYZ said:

I’m pretty sure that you are not gonna get a bill in the thousands. If the power company passes the cost down to you, it will be crazy high price for only a few days, not the whole month.

If the costs are that ridiculous; I’m guessing Texans can band together and just not fucking pay.  All I ever hear from the Governor is how Texans can band together and accomplish anything.  How about financially crippling electric and gas entities?  
 

if we can cripple the NYSE, I’m pretty sure I can fuck up Texas Gas Service for a month.  

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On 2/17/2021 at 6:08 AM, Heisenberg said:

.....

tl,dr:  (1) I am reduced to living like a savage.  I piss outside and shit in a 5-gallon bucket.

           (2) La vida chupa, y luego te mueres.

 

Lift the lid of your toilet and put the opening of a 13 gallon trash bag around the lid.  It fits perfectly.  Replace and repeat.   

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On 2/16/2021 at 7:03 PM, TexasEd said:

I was team no drip outside and had them wrapped up like Luke on Hoth but they froze up anyway.  Had to use a Harbor Freight Heat Gun (also loaned to multiple neighbors) to get them unfrozen in 5 and 15 minutes respectively.  Was really worries about the 15 minute one.  Now I'm team drip.  Also dripping every faucet in the house by a wall and have the tankless water heater on circulate all night.

What’s the point of being team no drip?  Is there some sort of hazard that happens from dripping?  Explain it like I’m a 5 year old, I’m one of the dumbest people on here about anything involving being handy, taking care of shit etc. I’ve been dripping basically bc I was told to, but I’m not smart enough to understand why dripping might be a bad idea. 
thanks, I will hang up and listen. 

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39 minutes ago, XYZ said:

I’m pretty sure that you are not gonna get a bill in the thousands. If the power company passes the cost down to you, it will be crazy high price for only a few days, not the whole month.

Y’all don’t remember a year or so ago when griddy had just came out and there was a event that temporarily caused wholesale prices to jump way up. There were people on here that got charged big bills because they didn’t realize it and shut off their A/Cs during the spikes. 
 

if you sign up for a energy plan that variable or wholesale rate in Tx you better be smart enough to track the rate and take action to eliminate your usage during spike.  I mean griddy sent alerts to theirs customers telling prices were going to spike and the change to another company.  

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22 minutes ago, Lobo said:

If the costs are that ridiculous; I’m guessing Texans can band together and just not fucking pay.  All I ever hear from the Governor is how Texans can band together and accomplish anything.  How about financially crippling electric and gas entities?  
 

if we can cripple the NYSE, I’m pretty sure I can fuck up Texas Gas Service for a month.  

How about we pay with scalps. 

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4 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

What’s the point of being team no drip?  Is there some sort of hazard that happens from dripping?  Explain it like I’m a 5 year old, I’m one of the dumbest people on here about anything involving being handy, taking care of shit etc. I’ve been dripping basically bc I was told to, but I’m not smart enough to understand why dripping might be a bad idea. 
thanks, I will hang up and listen. 

i live in a cold-weather environment and am not aware of anyone that drips their outside spigots during a hard freeze. when winter comes, you wrap them up and leave them alone for the winter.

that's probably not helpful, and am genuinely curious what folks are hearing about running outside spigots during a hard freeze.

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5 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

i live in a cold-weather environment and am not aware of anyone that drips their outside spigots during a hard freeze. when winter comes, you wrap them up and leave them alone for the winter.

that's probably not helpful, and am genuinely curious what folks are hearing about running outside spigots during a hard freeze.

I never have dripped my outside hose bib faucets. All the indoor faucets are slow dripping.

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45 minutes ago, hookemATL said:

So I need to put boiling water thru my gutters?  Wasn’t on my list of to do’s this week goddammit. 

How will you do that? Watching YouTube you need a shit ton of hot water to put a dent in these dams. I don't think I have the fittings necessary to connect a hose to hot water in the house and get it outside. And my roof is crazy so the dams are deep as fuck. This looks like it would take all day even IF I can physically do it. 

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56 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

Good instructions.

With zero water pressure, is cutting off at supply/street the consensus action to take at this point?  Pros?  Cons?

Yes, in my opinion. The pros are that you can open your faucets and allow the pipes to drain as much as possible. The only con that I can think of is that when service is restored, you won’t know it.

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32 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

i live in a cold-weather environment and am not aware of anyone that drips their outside spigots during a hard freeze. when winter comes, you wrap them up and leave them alone for the winter.

that's probably not helpful, and am genuinely curious what folks are hearing about running outside spigots during a hard freeze.

You say that people wrap them up. What I don’t understand is: what is the point of wrapping them up? I mean, if it stays below freezing for days (or in your case for the whole winter), then the faucet itself and the water inside will get cold no matter what you wrap them with. So what’s the point?

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If the costs are that ridiculous; I’m guessing Texans can band together and just not fucking pay.  All I ever hear from the Governor is how Texans can band together and accomplish anything.  How about financially crippling electric and gas entities?  
 
if we can cripple the NYSE, I’m pretty sure I can fuck up Texas Gas Service for a month.  

This. We’re on a fixed rate plan, but there’s a fucking zero percent chance we’d be paying such a bill if we weren’t.
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4 minutes ago, XYZ said:

You say that people wrap them up. What I don’t understand is: what is the point of wrapping them up? I mean, if it stays below freezing for days (or in your case for the whole winter), then the faucet itself and the water inside will get cold no matter what you wrap them with. So what’s the point?

i have no clue. 

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46 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

What’s the point of being team no drip?  Is there some sort of hazard that happens from dripping?  Explain it like I’m a 5 year old, I’m one of the dumbest people on here about anything involving being handy, taking care of shit etc. I’ve been dripping basically bc I was told to, but I’m not smart enough to understand why dripping might be a bad idea. 
thanks, I will hang up and listen. 

For us in the souf where it freezes for a few days (if at all), you can’t convince me that dripping the hell out of your faucets (especially the exterior ones) is a bad idea. For people in the north I kind of understand. For one, they would have to drip their faucets all winter long.

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17 minutes ago, XYZ said:

Yes, in my opinion. The pros are that you can open your faucets and allow the pipes to drain as much as possible. The only con that I can think of is that when service is restored, you won’t know it.

Makes sense.  This was my thought, too, but wanted some confirmation.  What about gas water heaters?  Turn off?  Drain?  Drain will be hard, as they are in attic...

 

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1 minute ago, XYZ said:

For us in the souf where it freezes for a few days (if at all), you can’t convince me that dripping the hell out of your faucets (especially the exterior ones) is a bad idea. For people in the north I kind of understand. For one, they would have to drip their faucets all winter long.

It has to do with residential construction as well.  Just about every home above a certain latitude has a basement, which means you can get airflow, i.e. heat, to the copper lines that run in the ceiling of a basement.  Even if the basement is finished, the airflow is there.  The farther above ground you place these lines and the farther these pipes are away from radiant heated airflow sources on the interior, the more risk you assume with your pipes and outdoor spigots freezing.

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1 hour ago, Lobo said:

If the costs are that ridiculous; I’m guessing Texans can band together and just not fucking pay.  All I ever hear from the Governor is how Texans can band together and accomplish anything.  How about financially crippling electric and gas entities?  
 

if we can cripple the NYSE, I’m pretty sure I can fuck up Texas Gas Service for a month.  

Maybe I can deduct it from my property taxes...

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If the costs are that ridiculous; I’m guessing Texans can band together and just not fucking pay.  All I ever hear from the Governor is how Texans can band together and accomplish anything.  How about financially crippling electric and gas entities?  
 
if we can cripple the NYSE, I’m pretty sure I can fuck up Texas Gas Service for a month.  



It’s like /wsb versus Wall Street all over again.


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7 minutes ago, SizzleChest said:

It has to do with residential construction as well.  Just about every home above a certain latitude has a basement, which means you can get airflow, i.e. heat, to the copper lines that run in the ceiling of a basement.  Even if the basement is finished, the airflow is there.  The farther above ground you place these lines and the farther these pipes are away from radiant heated airflow sources on the interior, the more risk you assume with your pipes and outdoor spigots freezing.

Tell that to my BIL in Pittsburgh.

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12 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

Makes sense.  This was my thought, too, but wanted some confirmation.  What about gas water heaters?  Turn off?  Drain?  Drain will be hard, as they are in attic...

 

If they are in the attic and u can do it by getting a hose to the outside or a tub I think I might drain. Mine is in garage.

Csb My old house the builder screwed up and didnt have a roof line high enough to put one large tank in attic so he put 2 stubby ones. Spent 13 years in the house thinking great i have double the chance of a water heater destroying my walls and floors. 

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36 minutes ago, XYZ said:

You say that people wrap them up. What I don’t understand is: what is the point of wrapping them up? I mean, if it stays below freezing for days (or in your case for the whole winter), then the faucet itself and the water inside will get cold no matter what you wrap them with. So what’s the point?

I think in cold weather locations they have different set ups, our pipes aren't protected, can't be heated, etc. ours froze and only the hairdryer and dripping the faucets worked.

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Well fuck looks like hot water line with gas water heater is fucked.  I am getting gas at my burners but the heater was cold and I realized that the pipes go into an outdoor wall.  I am wondering DID the gas heater somehow cutoff as a safety feature?  Seems like I am going to be unfortunately be in the photo presenting mode in the next few days when the thaw out comes.

 

Oh well off for 5 more gallons of gasoline for the generator, which hopefully will get us to the other side of this shit in our trailer.  I am SOOOooooooooooo fucking glad I bought all the shit to be self contained on PINS even though we did not make it down.  My desire for a well insulated travel trailer has made everything bearable so far.  But I am worried about what a bunch of water might end up doing to a house full of half inch plank hardwoods.... 

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12 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

If they are in the attic and u can do it by getting a hose to the outside or a tub I think I might drain. Mine is in garage.

Csb My old house the builder screwed up and didnt have a roof line high enough to put one large tank in attic so he put 2 stubby ones. Spent 13 years in the house thinking great i have double the chance of a water heater destroying my walls and floors. 

Same here.  2 in series in the attic.  My roof line is high enough, but a 100 gal likely would not fit up the stairs to attic.  That's my theory :)

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1 hour ago, Lobo said:

If the costs are that ridiculous; I’m guessing Texans can band together and just not fucking pay.  All I ever hear from the Governor is how Texans can band together and accomplish anything.  How about financially crippling electric and gas entities?  
 

if we can cripple the NYSE, I’m pretty sure I can fuck up Texas Gas Service for a month.  

But they CONTROL THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION

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fuck. 

friends came over for warmth and respite after days without power.  they waited days because of their dogs and watching their home.  they didn't ask to bring their dogs to us (older boxers) instead left them with friends down the street with power. I don't get that part but ok.  anyway, after a great time, getting warmed up, drinking our shitty back up coffee and loving it, they went home to pick up the dogs to find one of them had passed away in the night.  old age, existing heart condition most likely.

fuck, this, shit.

I hate all of this.

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Just heard about an older person who fell getting a flashlight and wasn't able to get back up, didn't make it on the floor with no blankets. This is awful, there's going to be a lot of gruesome stuff when things thaw. What a disaster.

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11 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

Same here.  2 in series in the attic.  My roof line is high enough, but a 100 gal likely would not fit up the stairs to attic.  That's my theory :)

Hmm maybe. By code they have have a certain size based on sq footage. He probably screwed up like mine did or 2 smaller are cheaper than one bigger🙂. Profit!

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13 hours ago, TexArcher said:

I'm at about 10 hours with no water and no heat and I'm about ready to burn down the Capitol and warm myself with its smoldering ashes.  I can only imagine how fucking pissed you must be.

But I guess I'll be to that point by middle of Saturday.

This is some bullshit.

I heard that my in-laws, in their 70's in Atlanta,Texas (which took 9 inches of snow for the first round and about 7 for the second round) still have all their utilities functioning just fine.   77018 (Oak Forest) is getting some low pressure water now.   We started using the front spicket to get toilet water, but now it seems to be working on its own.  Yeah, I don't have to kill anymore people!

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I discovered water in my garage, coming from around my shitty old garage fridge. I figured the cold has finally killed it and it was thawing out. But then I heard the dripping water. A pipe had busted (I thought). This was late last night, so the wife called a 24hr plumber, they said they'd be here this morning. Well, it turns out the wife had talked to the answering service and they overbooked for this morning. They'll be here today but we don't know when.

I decided to clear out the part of the garage to give them access. It turns out that it wasn't a busted pipe in the wall. The filter for the icemaker had ruptured. I was able to shut of the water and we're ok for now. I think I'll have to replace some drywall, though.

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So what's up with this energy spot price? I am on CPS, so it looks like they have some kind of variable model, but there is no way they expect middle class families to manage a several thousand dollar electric bill, right? This appears to be ERCOT's massive mistake, so no way should Texas citizens have to pay the bulk of it out of their pocket directly.

So you're saying I should turnoff auto bill pay?
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