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9 minutes ago, Lat22 said:

I agree with every single thing you posted. When does season 4 start?

Not been renewed yet.  Not sure if that's because of the rona or because the show kinda sucks (yet I've still watched all of it)

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The show is terrible, but my wife loves it (and Jason Bateman) so I watch. I’ll bitch my way through season 4 if there is one. 

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I think its a great show.  That said I can't dispute a lot of the criticisms over the past 4 pages of this thread.  I guess they just bother me a lot less.

I wanted to re-watch S1/2 before watching S3 and had put it off, but I watched all 30 over the past month or so including about the last 15 in just two days.    I thought S3 was the weakest of the three seasons but I still enjoyed it to the point where I could not help myself from starting the next episode.

For some specific criticism, I think they tried to do way too much in the 10 episodes they had to work with.  Highlighting this was the last episode which felt ridiculously rushed.  Like Marty got some stills to an FBI agent that resulted in US interdiction in Mexico against the rival cartel in a matter of hours?  The worst written plot, to me, was by far the Darlene-Ruth-KC Mob triangle.  Nonsensical.  The show runners could have crowdsourced a more sensible plot from Reddit.  I found that one GoT S8 levels of bad.  Navarro's character didn't work for me at all.  What was the point of rendering Marty and torturing him for a week?  lol because he had spyware on his wife's phone?  And how can you drop him back down a hole after he fixes your flagged offshore account in seconds?  He's clearly worth keeping around just for that.  

Finally, I don't get all the Ben hate.  That actor is going to win every award a TV show supporting actor can win.

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Just saw that it was renewed for a fourth and final season to be released in two seven-episode batches. Dates TBD. 

Also, #TeamFuckBenInTheGoatass

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Seriously, fuck Ben.

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2 hours ago, Hozz said:

 

Finally, I don't get all the Ben hate.  That actor is going to win every award a TV show supporting actor can win.

Yeah, I know people rave about the portrayal of the Joker, but to me the scene where he was in the cab talking to the driver was one of the most uncomfortable yet perfect scenes of someone just completely out of it. 

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‘Ozark’ Renewed For Supersized Fourth & Final Season By Netflix

 

...renewed for 14 final episodes with the season split into two seven-episode parts.

...The streaming platform did not reveal when it plans to air the final run of Ozark but it will likely not be until 2021 at the earliest, depending on how long the COVID-19 production shutdown lasts.

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3 hours ago, Hozz said:

 

Finally, I don't get all the Ben hate.  That actor is going to win every award a TV show supporting actor can win.

 

1 hour ago, Juicy said:

Yeah, I know people rave about the portrayal of the Joker, but to me the scene where he was in the cab talking to the driver was one of the most uncomfortable yet perfect scenes of someone just completely out of it. 

 

100% on Ben although I think we need to separate the two- 1. Performance of the actor 2. The part and how it affected the plot of the season

1. An absolutely amazing performance 

2. Annoying character that you could tell was going to screw shit up the moment he showed up on screen and that the writers allowed him to make mistake after mistake when other characters were killed 5 seconds after looking at someone the wrong way.  

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I had only heard about this show and gotten recs for it from people irl and they were glowing so it's kind of surprising to me to see surly and Ebert, which I usually find pretty on point, largely bitching about it. I just finished S3 tonight, and I have to say...I think I mostly agree? with Surly and Ebert. A few minor gripes. 

Started off with a bang (pun intended) for me. Loved the way the first couple of episodes got things going. Then fell off of a major cliff. 

I LIKE Marty. I HATE Wendy. This is not a misogony/Skylar thing. Marty pisses me off in the way he doesn't give enough attention to shit that clearly deserves more attention. He's clearly smart enough to read the tea leaves if he wants to. So yes, lazy writing. 

I also really liked Ben. It was kind of a transparent attempt at a plot device, I will grant that, but I thought he was very interesting, the acting was awesome and I really felt awful for him in the end. But yes, it was not great writing, shifting from A to Z to G to X with Ben. I am hard pressed to believe that the writers intended for it to be that way because of his bi-polar disease. 

Agree with what turkey said about the "end of the cartel war" and the FBI. Even still, have a really hard time seeing Navarro choosing sides with the Byrdes over Helen. I suspected that was coming looking at how much time was remaining in the episode and knowing there needed to be a quick resolution. Just not well thought out. 

I will watch S4. Not a great show but a good thing you can watch and not get too invested in. I have young-ish kids so I can only sneak in an hour, maybe 90 min a night of a show. Complete binge is out of the question. I just rewatched The Wire in its entirety before this, and comparatively there were very few episodes where I just absolutely had to see what happened in the next one immediately right after, waking up/work in the AM be damned. The only one I think was where Marty got kidnapped. 

TL;DR solid B. Maybe B-. Wire A. Sopranos A. BB A. Saul A. Sons of Anarchy C+. 

Anyone who watched The Killing can't tell me with any degree of honesty that this is a terrible show. 

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I thought it was a great series.  But then I like The Americans too and it was highly criticized.  Both are unrealistic.  That's why I watch Netflix and not the news.

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13 hours ago, Baboontyme said:

Anyone who watched The Killing can't tell me with any degree of honesty that this is a terrible show. 

i think you mean, "the beating" because that's what we call it around here.

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I think Wendy's character is annoying but I also think Laura Linney was miscast for that role. She comes across as winy, desperate, and meek. Maybe it's because I've watched Love Actually too many times and I just think of her as shy and timid, but I can't buy her as the soccer mom who breaks bad and becomes a powerful woman who controls politicians, orders hits on people, and negotiates with cartel bosses.

I'm not sure who they should've cast. I keep thinking someone like Keri Russell or Carrie Coon because I've seen them both pull off this type of role, but I don't mean either of those actresses specifically. Just someone who appears a little more tough.

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i think the hope was that linney could play against type and end up a good casting decision.  agreed though, i don't think it really works.

 

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On 6/30/2020 at 11:10 AM, Hozz said:

I think its a great show.  That said I can't dispute a lot of the criticisms over the past 4 pages of this thread.  I guess they just bother me a lot less.

I wanted to re-watch S1/2 before watching S3 and had put it off, but I watched all 30 over the past month or so including about the last 15 in just two days.    I thought S3 was the weakest of the three seasons but I still enjoyed it to the point where I could not help myself from starting the next episode.

For some specific criticism, I think they tried to do way too much in the 10 episodes they had to work with.  Highlighting this was the last episode which felt ridiculously rushed.  Like Marty got some stills to an FBI agent that resulted in US interdiction in Mexico against the rival cartel in a matter of hours?  The worst written plot, to me, was by far the Darlene-Ruth-KC Mob triangle.  Nonsensical.  The show runners could have crowdsourced a more sensible plot from Reddit.  I found that one GoT S8 levels of bad.  Navarro's character didn't work for me at all.  What was the point of rendering Marty and torturing him for a week?  lol because he had spyware on his wife's phone?  And how can you drop him back down a hole after he fixes your flagged offshore account in seconds?  He's clearly worth keeping around just for that.  

Finally, I don't get all the Ben hate.  That actor is going to win every award a TV show supporting actor can win.

As someone rooting for the Byrd's emotionally I hated Ben because he messed up the dynamic. As a character he was great. He fit the bipolar mold perfectly, the flight of ideas, the manic and depressive states, hell I had my notes from class open trying to figure out where they could've gone wrong. He and the writers nailed everything. 

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On 6/26/2020 at 3:30 PM, wild_turkey said:

I didn't like season 2 and was content not watching season 3. Then COVID hit and I exhausted most of the other good shows on my list and some coworkers said Ozark season 3 was better than season 2, so I reluctantly gave it a shot.

This show is still terrible for all of the same reasons:

I hate most of the characters. There isn't really a protagonist or an underdog for me to root for. Maybe Ruth is supposed to be the Jesse Pinkman character here? I really don't care if they all die, starting with Wendy.

The writing is horribly inconsistent:

-In season 2 Charlotte was fighting for emancipation and now she is magically back in the family business without much of an explanation.

-Wendy made a big fuss about getting a 2nd casino and hotel at the expense of getting an FBI investigation brought upon them, only to never mention that 2nd casino in the last 5 episodes of the season.

-Wendy made a push to win Zeke back from Darlene, only to suddenly drop it when court didn't go their way.

-Marty says he's gonna flip and FBI agent, then he just kinda strings her along and does basically nothing of value.

There's always a new big problem every 1-2 episodes, then instead of actually resolving it or incorporating it into the overall plot, they just cast it aside and move onto a new problem.

Aside from the inconsistent writing, the large scale plot requires too much suspension of disbelief. You can't convince me that the head of a Mexican drug cartel would want a partial share of a Missouri riverboat casino for relatively small scale money laundering operation, and that he would then spend his time chatting on the phone with Wendy of all people. And that somehow Marty and Wendy Byrde can end a cartel war remotely by providing a single FBI agent with some dirt on a single hit and then the U.S. military sweeps in and eliminates Navarro's rivals, all in one episode and all off screen. Yeah because the U.S. military has a long history of quickly and efficiently ending drug wars. That's the biggest plot issue currently, but the writers wanted to raise the stakes and this is where it took them. 

I don't even need to complain about Ben. As bad as he was, he would be tolerable if the above 3 complaints were 50% better. If this show was a shitty BBQ joint, Ben would be the bad potato salad. Hardly worth mentioning when the brisket and sausage are poorly cooked.

I'm out for season 4. Or maybe I'll write a similar rant in a year if we are still living in a pandemic and I still need ways to waste my abundant spare time.

Jesus man....just relax.

If every movie or TV series had to be realistic there would be a lot more boring ass shit out there.

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On 7/1/2020 at 10:48 AM, BevoSwag said:

I thought it was a great series.  But then I like The Americans too and it was highly criticized.  Both are unrealistic.  That's why I watch Netflix and not the news.

We didn't watch the last season or two when they aired so maybe I missed the outcry, but who didn't like The Americans? 

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1 hour ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

We didn't watch the last season or two when they aired so maybe I missed the outcry, but who didn't like The Americans? 

Not scientific opinion/proof.  I just recall seeing negative social media posts regarding the Americans which I thought was great.  

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The hate for Ben is remarkable because YOU’RE SUPPOSE TO HATE HIM.  

Ive never seen a character capture the bi-polar mental illness as well as Ben.  You’re natural instinct is to hate him because he does insane dumb shit that makes you hate him.  Most people can’t comprehend it’s something beyond him just being an asshole.  

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I didn't really hate him, it's just that the show didn't need yet another redundant plot device where the Byrde family gets into yet another fucking jam only to save themselves once again (be it with the cartel, the local redneck assholes, the law, or even with one another).  Ben would have been interesting had they settled into their casino groove and things were going well with Helen, the FBI, Cartel, et. al.  But things were chaos, he was just yet another piece of chaotic shit.  It sorta, kinda lent another dimension to Linney's character.  And those latter episodes were her best work on the series.  But otherwise, it was an unnecessary departure.  

I'm in the minority here, but an incredibly compelling arc next season is Byrdes in the middle with KC Mob/Ozark Legacy Families versus Cartel on U.S. Soil.  It'll take some suspension of belief because it'll take place largely in the U.S.  But I think that would be a fascinating narrative.  They've been tacitly at war with one another for decades but they rarely square off against each other for obvious reasons.  But what if it came to pass here, in the Ozarks, with the Byrdes and FBI smack dab in the middle of it all.  How in the world does the FBI pick sides, because they'll have to? 

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On 7/1/2020 at 1:23 PM, wild_turkey said:

I keep thinking someone like Keri Russell or Carrie Coon because I've seen them both pull off this type of role

 

I can see both of them pulling off rolls that require dat ass

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The hate for Ben is remarkable because YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO HATE HIM.  

Ive never seen a character capture the bi-polar mental illness as well as Ben.  You’re your natural instinct is to hate him because he does insane dumb shit that makes you hate him.  Most people can’t comprehend it’s something beyond him just being an asshole.  

i think most people confuse the "i hate this character" with "i hate that the writers decided to add this character to the storyline".

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There is no fucking chance that the Byrde’s, knowing his mental health issues, would have him stick around while they’re in business with the cartel and could be killed at the smallest of trespasses

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11 hours ago, nolongerU2horn said:

There is no fucking chance that the Byrde’s, knowing his mental health issues, would have him stick around while they’re in business with the cartel and could be killed at the smallest of trespasses

Yeah, this is true. That whole thing about him not being able to survive in a mental institution was dumb. There are plenty of places to stash him away with the money they have. 

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